Polish-Islam Relationship Union

This is quite funny...watch ur posts..u r always supposing what's not there.
Again ur magic scissors...:) don't cut and paste we were discussing what that leader meant and i was explaining y women should be accountable for their own deeds and it's not muslims who raped those women ...check ur records...what those men did is a crimein Islam but we got means to prevent this from taking place and protecting our moms and sisters.If u r addicted to alcohol a bar is not the right place to figure out a solution 2 ur problem.don't show it all day in movies and ask boys not to do it:(

If you had something that is so precious as a diamond , or something that is so expensive and so dear to you. Where will u keep it? in ur hands all day, showing it to people or make it noticeable and attract attention with it. Of course not.

Well we think women are much more precious than diamonds and thats why they wear thier hijab to be modest, chaste and above all, not for everyone to have a peice of.

If some minority muslims that YOU DIG INTO THE INTERNET TO GET their story of treating their women badly, they are true muslims as the prophet said [the best of you is the best to his family] , they would surely relish the treasure they have.

This is a poor analogy because women are not inanimate objects. They are not possessions of men. They have a mind of their own.


If women are so precious, why don't they have complete freedom, while men (as potential violators) are restricted in their movements? That seems to make about as much sense as your argument. (That is: not much.)

maybe they wear that because the men are insecure?
why else make them be covered from head to toe (unless they are butt ugly)

I prefer to enjoy the treasures in open view.

1)'cause you don't have your own?
2) you have your own but love's gone and you envy what others have?
3) just feel that your not the monogamy type and it brings some more pleasure in life? So why not use a chance?
4) 'cause think it's normal and all real men have to show "what they have ' to be proud of?

Am I right?:)




To stop possible violence and to keep the family - not saying about many other reasons, which are way more important.

if your wife really loves you, married you of her own free will, not some arranged marriage what are you worried about?
why would there be violence?

'cause when men see a beatiful woman many and many of them "get interested" - it's normal for some - again, it's human nature. Not everybody strong enough when it comes to seduction either. If you check rape statistic and compare it to countries where Islam is official religion you'd be surprised.
Everything that females use (make up, earings, parfume etc) is just for ONE aim, to draw attention of men, although it's considered now in cocial aspects. Again - this is human nature, evolution needed that. But when you're try to do everything to get men's attention and finally is being chased by drunk machos - who your going to blame for that? They are just what they are - but women are responsible - 'cause seducing (even when you didn't intend doing that) is VERY awful thing - you shove the other one into this and that's what true muslim women is scared - open view of her legs could be the reason why the guy can find himself in a very bad situation one day. (and I'm not talking about bieng stoned to death).

You are the best proof:

Islam - a crappy religion for crappy people!

anyone who uses the words seduce and rape in the same sentence, is IMO the lowest form of life..

Forgive me, but it's in my human nature, should I ever have the misfortune to meet you, to kick you in the most redundant part of your anatomy.

So to Islamists, a woman puts a makeup and it's a signal to them she should be raped. And where the fvck is your allah to stop them from that? What kind of goat herding culture is that?

In a way your statements could be used to defend American insterest in ME oil: "You wrap your heads with towels and wear long dresses so you can't be serious and therefore we'll take your oil from you".

Appaling views, appaling religion for appaling men.

And every normal man preffer to see that than a woman wearing (or rather forced to wear) a damn towel and covered face.



Why not ? Yours do that quite often.

:)

I understand what you feel- I was just like that some years ago. Funny but understandable.

It's very simple - "Hide your beauty from the stranger", - evrybody who feel the need in doing so - followng it. Anybody who don't have a reason for that - just don't do it. I know many muslim girls who don't wear "the towels" as you call it:) They say they don't want - but they admire those who have strength to do so. They pray 5 times a day, they do many things a muslim should do, but no towels - anyway they don't leave a hope that some day they will.

No -makeup is not a signal that one who wears it should be raped - common:)
I didn't want to mislead you - you probably think now that muslim women don't use it:)

Why you had this reaction - I think that you totally disagree with the statement that woman should belong to one man (her husband) and no other men have a right to make any sexual connections with her or anything that may lead to sexual. Then it come these simple rules - you want - you follow. You don't want - up to you. Nobody force you. I know a girl who feels like naked when she don't cover her hair from other men's eyes. She said before when she was wearing tight jeans or this kind of clothes, she felt every men's stares and she said - you will never understand it - cause your not a lady. But again - some women love it - some can't live with that and have to use a shield.

so basically what you are saying is that you dont trust your women and given the chance, a fellow muslim would try and seduce your women.

I totally disagree a human being should belong to anyone. In my cultrue a woman is a human being. A woman is not a dog, a goat, or a sheep. She is a human being. If a woman is not willing then man's dick belongs in his pants, and if he cannot control it the it should be cut off. People's limbs are cut off in your "culture" if they steal, aren't they? Instead of punishing women for being raped, as it is practiced in your ridiculous laws, the attackers should be severely punished.

I never had illusions that islam was a huggable movement, but until I read your posts I didn't realize how perverted it is. And you even try to rationalize and justify rape. Unfvckingbelievable!

1)As far as I am concerned my titties are inadequate
2)I do not envy titties
3)I prefer actually islam style polygamy
4)I prefer not to show my weapon in open view

You are close,indeed.

How about a woman has the right to dress to please herself and no pervert has the God give right to make her feel unsafe or uncomfortable?


Totally agree


absolutely

Don't tell me that there are no Muslim countries and communities where a woman without a towel is in danger.

Not towel,you disrespectful Pole.It is called a hijab.

I prefer to think of it as Unbefvckinglievable! See Expletive infixing. ;)

Bad me... Allah will hit me with a lighting...

TOWEL TOWEL TOWEL !

Here in Germany they call women in Burkas "Penguins"!

Of course - in Tunis it's restricted to wear hidjab in official places.
Completely agree with you


Actually this is very strange - these are the same words that muslim women use when trying to convince non-muslim women that they (non-muslim) have rights as women. Muslim women think that non-muslim lady has no protection from law - she can be beaten by hasband, she can be cheated by hasband - and so on and so on.

Nobody could belong to anybody - you're right. But - when people get married, they take on some responsibilities. If you don't want to bear responsibility - don't get married. If my wife saying taht she is free hguman being and go hit the bars with strangers - that's ok, but I don't like this woman to be my wife - and I have a right toclaim for divorse. Marriage is sacred. That's what I believe in. And vise versa - woman has a right as wife to claim for divorse (despite of that her hasband is free human being). Or you think it's not fair?


My godness:))) Of course you have the right to wear anything! And of course NOBODY has a right to tell you what you have to wear. We talking about women, who feel "unsafe and uncomfortable" wearing tight cloth! And they have a right to hide their bodies also. We are not talking about poor european girls who are forsed to wear hidjab - we talking about muslim ladies who is in danger wearing hidjab in europe.


I really don't know where you get this - of course raped woman is not punished - for what?! If somebody come up to you and hit you on the head, you think you're going to be punished?! I really don't understand who has a perverted vision.. Of course attackers will be punished not a victim.
Never heard about it - once in former soviet union republic I asked why the guy has no finger and got the answer that it was cut off because he was a thief - but it was not islamic country.

And only a chauvinistic pig would say something like this.

Muslims are liars, thiefs, rapists, drug dealers - yet they sit their and preach to the rest of the world on how bad westerners are..



Now, last summer I saw a muslim girl wearing a pair of tight white jeans that left little to the immagination - yet she covered her head. but thats okay?



They feel uncomfortable because of the perverts in muslim countries, because men have little or no respect for women, this is why they fear, it is men who makes them feel so.

As for muslim women in danger who wear the hidjab - I dont think so and if they are its probably because people are scared that there might be a bomb under it! or even a man trying to flee from the country!

Mistake again. If you want to know about something - don't use these sources for get informed. You could see for yourself where the problem is - you rely on other's opinion and thoughts - never do this in case you need a REAL answers for your questions. Of course only in case you need it - if you don't, you may live your life with idea that "don't tell me about Islam - I know all about it - one guy on forum told me what it is" - and you'll be the coolest guy in your company:) Until you clarify your version of Islam to one who knows - oops....


"Now, last summer I saw a muslim girl wearing a pair of tight white jeans that left little to the immagination - yet she covered her head. but thats okay?"

I don't think it's ok but this girl may think it it is - it's her life and she is the one who makes decisions, right?




"They feel uncomfortable because of the perverts in muslim countries, because men have little or no respect for women, this is why they fear, it is men who makes them feel so.
As for muslim women in danger who wear the hidjab - I dont think so and if they are its probably because people are scared that there might be a bomb under it! or even a man trying to flee from the country!"


It would be too simple. The case is, that I was talking to girls, converted to Islam and who is living in Europe - and who is not Muslim born. They are Europeans. ANY man in ANY country will take estimating looks at nice girls - I was doing so before and I thought it was very natural. Everybody doing so. And most of the girls like it - except some that need protection from this.

As for "hidjab wearing danger" - you think it is important to me what is the reasons - because of people's fear of terrorists or anything else? Before I tried to convince my wife not wearing it when we travel to places where hidjab view can provoke a violence, but she has love to God in her heart that is more then fear of being violated. And she is strong in her believe.

Now i come into the conversation :)

Not really.... In all islamic countries, if a woman is raped.. She must gather at least 4 witness to open a judgment....

With that said... Women there are raped even by their uncles/cousins and nothing happen... Really, who is going to gather 4 witness of a rape? :/

I really don't think so - if you need it, I will try to find exact info.

I just found informations myself before posting :)

to find it out, I need to refer to muslim jurisdiction system, caled "Fikh", or ask someone who studied Fikh and have a degree in that. Internet is not a place to look for this kind of informantion.

Nice.. If you are able to, try to find this Fikh information and share please :)
But i also read that on a good brazilian magazine, i was just making sure using internet