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cubic
  Dec 17, 07, 07:45  #181

Quoting: LCzachor
Not really.... In all islamic countries, if a woman is raped.. She must gather at least 4 witness to open a judgment....

I don't think this is the case in all Islamic countries, but it is for some, that implement a particularly extreme interpretation of Sharia. For instance, in a number of states in northern Nigeria, a woman can be stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock, even if she was raped. Under this law, pregnancy is sufficient evidence to convict an unmarried woman of the crime. However, the oath of a man who denies having had sex with a woman out of wedlock is often considered sufficient proof of "innocence" unless four independent and reputable witnesses testify to seeing him take part in the act.

An example was the case of Amina Lawal, in 2003. See Nigerian spared death by stoning. Her conviction was overturned on appeal, in part for the truly bizarre reason that, "under some interpretations of Sharia, babies can remain in gestation in a mother's womb for five years, raising the possibility that her ex-husband could have fathered the child."

 
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bellzii
Edited by: bellzii  Dec 17, 07, 08:00  #182

Quoting: LCzachor
She must gather at least 4 witness to open a judgment....


Dont talk about something u dont know, i think muslims should say what in is in their religion and what is not!! dont need u to emphasize something u just picked from any site.

4 witnesses is when some1 says that a women had a sexual relation with some1 other than her husband i.e cheating. also is a MAN is accused of having some illegal affair, the accuser has to get those 4 witnesses.
ITS BOTH WAYS.

Quoting: cubic
a woman can be stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock

A man is also stoned to death.

Dont try to show every1 here that islam makes man superior on women , because u know nothing about islam and this is not true.

 
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Shawn_H
Edited by: Shawn_H  Dec 17, 07, 08:31  #183

From the Toronto Star...

thestar.com/News/World/article/286282

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia – Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has pardoned a female rape victim who had been sentenced to 200 lashes for being alone with a man at the time of the attack who was not related to her, a Saudi newspaper reported Monday...

The seven men who were convicted of raping both the girl and the man were initially sentenced to jail terms from 10 months to five years. Their sentences were increased to between two and nine years after the appeal.


Strikes me as unfair that the victims in a violent attack should be charged at all. But she was in the company of a man (not her husband) in a car. She must have worked hard to tempt those 7 rapists to attack her in a car. But the man she was in the car with was raped too. So she must have been so very tempting to those rapists, that they couldn't wait, and raped him too. Serves him right.

 
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southern
  Dec 17, 07, 08:34  #184

Quoting: cubic
a woman can be stoned to death for having sex out of wedlock


After so many orgasms why does she need to get stoned?

 
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TheDude
  Dec 17, 07, 09:11  #185

Quoting: bellzii
A man is also stoned to death.

Barbaric! Dude notices that when any proof is given it is pointed out that it's a minority of these people still prcaticing yet when you see an actual video, the entire city is there for support and join in with stomping on the victim. How can anyone stomp on a little girls head???????? This is disgusting behavior.

What can any Muslim say to this? .....besides the normal retort" you know nothing of islam" ZZZZZ

For the Polish women who wish to convert...

"under the Shah, women cannot leave the country without the written permission of their husbands, rape is more often than not blamed on the woman and a woman's testimony in court has half the weight of a man's". If you value your freedom now, think twice.

 
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ShelleyS
  Dec 17, 07, 09:37  #186

Mohammed was a pervert and the koran is a poor immitation of the Tora and the bible the sooner these retards realise this the better......lets see how long a polish woman lasts without her freedom and own identity.

Its no wonder that these people are trying to spread out, since they have been marrying their own relatives for 1000's of years, the gene pool is more like a puddle now..

 
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southern
  Dec 17, 07, 09:59  #187

Quoting: ShelleyS
Mohammed was a pervert and the koran is a poor immitation of the Tora and the bible the sooner these retards realise this the better......


This is very ignorant and disrespectful statement for muslims.Where has the traditional english tact gone?

 
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bellzii
  Dec 17, 07, 10:03  #188

Quoting: ShelleyS
Mohammed was a pervert and the koran is a poor immitation of the Tora and the bible the sooner these retards realise this the better


CONCLUSION IS SHELLY IS NOTHING BUT A RACIST

 
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TheDude
  Dec 17, 07, 10:07  #189

Dude is still waiting.....

 
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bellzii
  Dec 17, 07, 10:10  #190

Dude , just follow shellys posts and just see the hatred that she has to muslims and islam , and above all aweful words she uses, she has no respect to anyone.

 
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cubic
  Dec 17, 07, 10:16  #191

Quoting: bellzii
A man is also stoned to death.

Even-handed savagery, is it? What are the numbers of men versus women stoned to death for sex "crimes"?

Quoting: bellzii
Dont try to show every1 here that islam makes man superior on women , because u know nothing about islam and this is not true.

It's true that under Sharia law a woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man's testimony. (You yourself tried to justify that on the grounds that, "women rely on feelings in their thoughts and decision and thats a fact," thereby revealing your contempt for women.) And I know that in most interpretations of Sharia, apostasy and blasphemy can be punishable by death.

The real problem with Sharia, in my opinion, is its philosophical basis. Because it is based on the supposed word of Allah (in the Koran), and on the hadith, it is difficult for moderate Muslims to argue for reform.

 
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bellzii
  Dec 17, 07, 10:22  #192

Dude the wisdom of being stoned(only the case when some1 MARRIED cheats his/her partner), is that when some1 knows that a punishment will be applied. So no one will cheat his wife/husband.
If he/she are not married then having sexual affairs will lead to being lashed.
That preserves the dignity of family and also preventing problems of women having babies with no fathers, or abortion.
After all fornication is a sin in most religions

 
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Shawn_H
  Dec 17, 07, 10:24  #193

Quoting: bellzii
cheats his/her partner

Can you define Cheat? Is it the simple act of being (platonically) in the company of a man who is not your husband?

 
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TheDude
Edited by: TheDude  Dec 17, 07, 10:31  #194

Quoting: bellzii
If he/she are not married then having sexual affairs will lead to being lashed.

This is inhumane and outdated IMO.
Quoting: bellzii
After all fornication is a sin in most religions

But, no one else stones little girls to death with cinderblocks and the bottoms of feet. This is just animalistic and should be against ALL religions. If you cheat or have premarital sex this person should just be forced out of the religion. How can anyone respect a religion that still lashes and stones. It's 2007 We humans should be more civilized at this point in time.

 
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AvJoeUK [Guest]
  Dec 17, 07, 10:37  #195

Quoting: bellzii
After all fornication is a sin in most religions


Well strike me down for eternal hell fire! I am a sinner and im damn proud of it.

 
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TheDude
  Dec 17, 07, 10:39  #196

At least these lying-cheating-smoking-drinking muslim girls can save themselves with surgery:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_i d=502714&in_page_id=1879

This is so rediculous. I suppose now that it's on the net, she'll be killed for this surgery.

 
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worklink
Edited by: worklink  Dec 18, 07, 00:55  #197

Quoting: AvJoeUK
I am a sinner and im damn proud of it


and that's very cool:) and going to be like that maybe for another 50 or 60 years, if you're lucky enough and will be living to this age. Never thought what comes next?:)

Again - I think it's very fair that when a man living on this Earth, during his lifetime he gets the most of life with all its beautiful gifts regardless wether he is a believer or not-believer. Only after he dies he get what he really deserves. And I think there's a wisdom in it.



'Cause if anyone has a clue what fornication can lead to (just nice one-night-stand out of wedlock) , think he would thought that lashes (if it will save him from what is going to come) is most beautiful thing in the world. Sounds apalling to you, I know - but this is for people who prefer to stay sober and realise what life is and why it was given to them.

 
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marek s
  Dec 18, 07, 07:50  #198

Quoting: worklink
'Cause if anyone has a clue what fornication can lead to (just nice one-night-stand out of wedlock) , think he would thought that lashes (if it will save him from what is going to come) is most beautiful thing in the world. Sounds apalling to you, I know - but this is for people who prefer to stay sober and realise what life is and why it was given to them.



god gave a dick to use.

 
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worklink
  Dec 18, 07, 09:04  #199

Quoting: marek s
god gave a dick to use


and some was lucky enough to get brain in addition

 
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southern
Edited by: southern  Dec 18, 07, 09:07  #200

Quoting: marek s



god gave a dick to use.


You can pee as well.

 
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z_darius
  Dec 18, 07, 09:19  #201

Quoting: worklink
and some was lucky enough to get brain in addition

and thus those who got it called the allah bluff :)

 
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southern
Edited by: southern  Dec 18, 07, 09:26  #202

Quoting: z_darius

and thus those who got it called the allah bluff :)


Allah can cut off every western dick in one second.

 
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z_darius
  Dec 18, 07, 09:28  #203

Quoting: southern
Allah can cut off every western dick in one second.

Oh sh.it, now I'm in trouble.

Hey, allah! Let's a have a drink together one day. You bring the booze I'll get some pork chops, just like mom used to make them :)

 
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ShelleyS
  Dec 18, 07, 09:35  #204

Quoting: southern
Where has the traditional english tact gone?


None where muslims are concerned.

Quoting: bellzii
CONCLUSION IS SHELLY IS NOTHING BUT A RACIST


And you are a retard who cant even spell my name and if disliking women beaters and western haters makes a racist then so be it.


Quoting: TheDude
This is so rediculous. I suppose now that it's on the net, she'll be killed for this surgery.


I'm appalled that 24 have had it on the National Health Service...WTF...

Quoting: z_darius
and thus those who got it called the allah bluff :)


Or in my case a pervert :) or was that mohammed who was the pervert....sod it lets just say that all muslims are perverts even the women

 
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cubic
  Dec 18, 07, 12:53  #205

Quoting: worklink
Only after he dies he get what he really deserves.

Ah, what a lovely sight: the deferred sadism at the heart of many religions. As someone once said, "The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists -- that is why they invented Hell."

 
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southern
  Dec 18, 07, 14:12  #206

Quoting: worklink
Only after he dies he get what he really deserves. And I think there's a wisdom in it.


I know there is wisdom because Jihad fighters enter a beautiful garden with 72 virgins serving them.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  Dec 18, 07, 14:16  #207

Quoting: southern
I know there is wisdom because Jihad fighters enter a beautiful garden with 72 virgins serving them.


Really!

Imagine: Said fighter enters paradise (or whatever), get's his promised 72 virgins and has his fun....and then what? Afterwards they won't be virgins anymore...and that for the rest of eternity! Stupid poor fighter!

Islam: A stupid religion for stupid people!

 
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blackadder
Edited by: blackadder  Dec 18, 07, 14:36  #208

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Afterwards they won't be virgins anymore...and that for the rest of eternity! Stupid poor fighter!


wow imagine 72 girls shopping and gossip.you got to be feckin' millionaire.it's a trap!

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Islam: A stupid religion for stupid people!



that's not very nice of you.every greater religion should be respected,ok perhaps not Scientology:)

 
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southern
  Dec 18, 07, 14:55  #209

Quoting: Bratwurst Boy
Imagine: Said fighter enters paradise (or whatever), get's his promised 72 virgins


If the virgins are polish girls,I am ready to die for Allah.

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Dec 18, 07, 15:00  #210

Quoting: southern
If the virgins are polish girls,I am ready to die for Allah.


Why not travel to Poland instead??? Much less hassle....:)


Quoting: blackadder
that's not very nice of you.every greater religion should be respected,ok perhaps not Scientology:)


I decided not to play nice with Islam anymore!
We are the stupid ones being nice...they are just abusing it and despise us for it!
They "tick" not like us!

 
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