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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 25, 08, 14:53  #1

I have text in Polish (form Polish embassy website)

http://www.tokio.polemb.net/index.php?document=84

First contacts:

1585, when Poland was Global player and Japan was before isolation ...


http://www.tokio.polemb.net/index.php?document=83

1892 - 1919

First contacts, Japanese had problems with Russians, so they started to cooperate with Poles who wanted to be independent ...

Pilsudski and Dmowski visited Japan ...

1919 - 1945

Japanese were helping Poles escaping from Syberia and were providing help for them ...

http://www.pl.emb-japan.go.jp/kultura/dzsyberyjskie.htm (only in Polish :( form Japanese embassy website)

Poles honored Japanese soldiers who flighted in war against Russia in 1905 ...

During WWII Japanese were cooperating in espionage with Poles (against Russians and !!!GERMANS!!!) helped to save 6000 Polish jews and were providing help for Polish resistance. Durring WWII Polish priests could freely contune their activity in Japan.

here is nice article (in english) about some aspects of this cooperation (there was much more facts than in this article, I will try to find something in english).

http://www.tiu.ac.jp/~bduell/ASJ/3-95_lecture_summary.html

In 1936 Japan signed an Anti-Comintern Pact with Germany and Italy. In the next three years Hitler's policy of aggrandizement moved inexorably towards war, and the final signal was the signing of the Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty on August 23rd, 1939. Japan took this as a breach of the Anti-Comintern Pact, and, feeling no longer able to trust its allies, decided to set up an observation post on both Germany and USSR in the form of a consulate in Kaunas, Lithuania. In September Poland was invaded from both sides, and some of the Polish military units in the east crossed the Lithuanian border and were interned. Some escaped from the camps and set up an escape network, in which they were assisted by the head of the Polish intelligence in Lithuania (called Wierzba, 'Willow'), Ludwik Hryncewicz, whose main aim was to get intelligence officers out of the camps. One of these was Lt. Leszek Daszkiewicz, and he established contact with Capt. Alfons Jakubianiec in Kaunas. Meanwhile, with the completion of the German and Soviet occupation of Poland, thousands of refugees poured into Lithuania. However, the Polish legation in Kaunas closed down in protest against the handing over of Polish territory around Vilnius to Lithuania, and it was left to the British and French representatives to look after the refugees. In this they were helped by the Polish intelligence service, who soon extended their cooperation to the newly opened Japanese consulate in Kaunas, and in particular to the Vice-Consul, Sugihara Chiune.


to be continued ...


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 25, 08, 17:10  #2

It is really hard to find some informations in English, most of articles are in Japanese or Polish. Now I will show something about present realtions.

Poland-Japan Friendship Associations:

Japan-Poland Society Kansai Center
Mr. Kazuo Fujii - professor of Kwansei Gakuin University
4-5, Najio-Minamidai, Hyogo 669-11
Tel/Fax: 0797-61-0377

Japan-Poland Society Nagasaki Center
Ms. Mieko Higuchi
Nagasaki-shi, Hikomi-cho, 2-7
Tel: 0958-24-2855 (home)
Tel: 0958-23-1956

Polish Culture Association in Hokkaido
Mr. Atsushi Ando
Sapporo-shi, Kita-ku, Kita 29, Jo Nishi 12-chome, 2-16, Cooperase Abe 7 -go
Tel: 011-727-1520 Fax: 011-727-1520

Japan-Poland Miyauchi Foundation
Mr. Kunio Miyauchi
178 Tokyo, Nerima-ku, Oizumi Gakuen cho 7-13-23
Tel: 03-5387-0080 Fax: 03-5387-0082

Kyoto-Krakow Association
Ms. Yasuko Tasumi
Mr. Hidenori Kato
604 Kyoto-fu, Nakagyo-ku, Ebisugawa Tominokoji,
Nishihairu Kitagawa, Muro Bldg., 2F
Tel:075-231-0026 Fax: 075-212-3339

Japan Poland Friendship Association
Mr. Kenichi Seki
888-2, Higashikatakai-cho, Maebashi-city
Gunma-Prefecture 371
Tel: 027-221-6-72 Fax: 027-221-6079

Friends of Poland Association
Mr. Bunji Matsushita
2-7-5Yogo-Naka, Matsuyama,
Ehime 790-0045 Japan
Tel/Fax: +81-89-973-0245 e-mail: bunji-matsushita@mta.biglobe.ne.jp

so cooperation is current issue.

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there is nice book about Poles and Japanese "Kioku suru Warushawa"


book


Japanese love Chopin (Polish-French composer, who wanted to take his heart after his death to Poland and it finaly happened)

they have made computer game about him (lol):

japan

you can study Poland on Tokio University.

http://www.tufs.ac.jp/common/fs/ere/pol/

and Blog 27 (Polish girls band)

video from Japan


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How does it look in Poland:

we have Japanese computer school in Poland:

jap


We have a lot of websites about Japan

http://www.japonia.org.pl/ (example)

there is a lot of associations of Polish-Japanise friendships in Poland

example form Poznan:

http://www.tpjwlkp.prv.pl/

and the most popular cars in Poland ;)

toyota


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Seanus
  Mar 25, 08, 17:24  #3

Porando ha kirei no kuni dayo. Porando ha daisuki dayo. Porando jin ha omoshiroi dayo ne. Nihon ni hatarakimashita (hataraita). Eigo no kyoushi deshita (datta).

I guess the relations are quite good. I work at a Japanese company with Polish workers and there is mutual respect.

Szacunek jest widoczny, na pewno mają dobry związek


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miranda
  Mar 25, 08, 17:27  #4

Seanus wrote:
Szacunek jest widoczny, na pewno mają dobry związek

Oh, Boże;)


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Seanus
  Mar 25, 08, 17:29  #5

Nie sądzisz? Ach, it's nae sae important, dinna greet wi laftir


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 26, 08, 06:46  #6

I think it is more about respect than something different ... I think it is nice that we are so different but there is little symphaty.

;)
Japanise pilots


Polish pilots



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ConstantineK
  Mar 26, 08, 09:40  #7

Lukasz wrote:
think it is more about respect than something different ... I think it is nice that we are so different but there is little symphaty.


In according with your argumentation - Hirosimo - Nagasaki - Krakow

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Mar 26, 08, 17:43  #8

ConstantineK wrote:
In according with your argumentation - Hirosimo - Nagasaki - Krakow


you had to stole nuclear weapons form USA so we had Kayń ...


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ConstantineK
  Apr 4, 08, 07:38  #9

Lukasz:
ConstantineK wrote:
In according with your argumentation - Hirosimo - Nagasaki - Krakow
you had to stole nuclear weapons form USA so we had Kayń ...


But you sould admit that ulike US, we never used it against peaceful inhabitants. Suppose, that only for this deed all american nation will burn in hell, irrespective from sex, age and generation.

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Tran Anh
  Apr 6, 08, 14:09  #10

Lukasz, while all the rest of your posts here are extremely fine (i.e. Japanese are cute and the Nippon-Polish relationship is mutually beneficial), I think the comparison between Polish pilots of Kociuszko and Poznan squandrons with Kamikazes is "a zeal too far". If those Polish 'glamour boys' can be raised up from their grave, they would find it pretty offensive to be likened with those half-trained fanatics of an evil cause (anyway, heard a joke about Polish kamikaze flew 100 successful missions?) With all due respect, I don't think there is any difference between those fine Jap chaps with those chic Al-Queda self-boomer of the modern time...


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isthatu2
  Apr 6, 08, 14:51  #11

lukasz,while your all glowie about the japsd in WW2,heres a couple of things to bear in mind.The rape of nanking,a hundred thousand MORE people were murdered there by the japs than died in the warsaw uprising. The japs had a unit called 741 that dropped plague on chinese villages ,they also practiced bayonet drill with live pregnant women,This is not propaganda they actually took potos at the time as keep sakes.The Austrailians who fell prisoner to the japs also lost 67% in jap death camps.
I love some many aspects of japanese culture but their actions in ww2 all around the pacific make hitler and stalin look comparitavly gentle.


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Tran Anh
  Apr 6, 08, 14:55  #12

Now, ithatu2, you make me look damned politically-corrected!


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Lukasz
  Apr 7, 08, 07:44  #13

isthatu2:
isthatu2 
Tran Anh:
Tran Anh

I haven't been talking about Imperial Japan. Just about brave pilots.


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isthatu2
  Apr 8, 08, 18:38  #14

wasnt about bravery though.the kamakzi pilots didnt volunteer,they were conscripted and given no choice,there families would loose their ration cards and homes and the pilot his life .......a bit different to a Pole or for that matter a german volunteering to fly in ww2.


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Jozef Pilsudski
  Apr 8, 08, 23:58  #15

Nothing unusual about the high level of respect between two great cultures.

It's unfortunate that, due to circumstances, we ended up on opposite sides during the war, but that doesn't mean that Poles can't still learn alot from Japanese culture, and vice versa.

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isthatu2
  Apr 10, 08, 14:27  #16

Jozef Pilsudski:
It's unfortunate that, due to circumstances, we ended up on opposite sides during the war,

You lot are obviously bleedin clueless when it comes to the history of ww2!!! unless of course it involves one big pity party of "ooh,how hard done by we were..."
grow the fek up and learn a little about Japanese "civilisation" and stop p issing on the graves of your own ancestors...comparing the divine wind nutters to the PAF, friggin absurd and obsene!


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Daisy
  Apr 10, 08, 14:35  #17

isthatu2:
You lot are obviously bleedin clueless when it comes to the history of ww2!!!

As a child I had a neighbour who was a young girl in Burma, when she ended up in a Japanese POW camp with her mother and siblings......her hair was snow white, she had turned grey at the age of 13, because of the things she endured in that camp, she was deaf in both ears from being beaten about the head with a rifle but by a Japanes soldier.......these were woman and children kept in that camp.

Another neighbour was a soldier in the far east, he suffered from severe mental illness because of his time in the Japanese POW camp..I remember his daughter coming into our house to eat an apple, she couldn't eat one in front of her father, because it reminded him of a whip being cracked


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Tran Anh
  Apr 11, 08, 09:35  #18

isthatu2:
You lot are obviously bleedin clueless when it comes to the history of ww2!!! unless of course it involves one big pity party of "ooh,how hard done by we were..."
grow the fek up and learn a little about Japanese "civilisation" and stop p issing on the graves of your own ancestors...comparing the divine wind nutters to the PAF, friggin absurd and obsene!


Damn, I never learn how to use English that brutally effective! You are, sir, simply the most eloquent dyslexic I have known so far in my life. Regards.


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isthatu2
  Apr 11, 08, 12:36  #19

And Tran,you sir are the most entertaing erudite extremly engaging Vietnamese multi lingualist I have ever known.
I salute you.
(and I shall leave it to you to tell tales of the lovely nipponese Empires plans for your neck of the woods,just do us a favour and leave out the bit about the brits rearming the japanese soldiers to fight the embryonic Vietminh on behalf of the french colonial butchers,;))


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Tran Anh
  Apr 11, 08, 13:02  #20

isthatu2:
and I shall leave it to you to tell tales of the lovely nipponese Empires plans for your neck of the woods,just do us a favour and leave out the bit about the brits rearming the japanese soldiers to fight the embryonic Vietminh on behalf of the french colonial butchers

Thanks but I am afraid we need Japan too much to further molest them about the past. As long as they duly make regular tribute of fine conductors to us, we tolerate all their eccentric sins (Honna Tetsuji of VNSO rocks!)
Cheers.


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isthatu2
  Apr 11, 08, 13:48  #21

And let me just add,the Japan of today is a completely different world to the one of the old military dictatorship of the 30s and 40s.


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Jozef Pilsudski
  Apr 12, 08, 10:11  #22

You lot are obviously bleedin clueless when it comes to the history of ww2!!!


You quite obviously are clueless as to the depth of my knowledge on the subject. Then again, perhaps it will be more entertaining to play and fulfill the role you welded for me:

"Japanese atrocities?! Gee...what are those? I just thought the Imperial Japanese Army picked flowers and ate chocolates during World War II!..."

grow the fek up and learn a little about Japanese "civilisation"


I am well versed in Japanese history from the feudal era to Akihito's ascension. Please provide the credentials that render you an expert on the details of Showa nationalism.

I'll be waiting.

and stop p issing on the graves of your own ancestors


My ancestors taught me the value of respect. An intelligent mature human being respects his foes as well as his friends and allies. Of course, you don't have the emotional discipline to display respect toward an anonymous internet user, so perhaps I'm wasting my time trying to change your reprehensible attitude.

comparing the divine wind nutters to the PAF, friggin absurd and obsene!


No, what is absurd and obscene is the amount of disrepectful vitriol you are displaying toward the war dead, civilian and soldier, Polish, Japanese, or other. Every man who fell in that conflict was a better one than yourself.

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Seanus
  Apr 12, 08, 10:16  #23

I am not that well versed in Japanese history tho I learned a lot when I was there. I'd be glad to help out where possible.


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isthatu2
Edited by: isthatu2  Apr 12, 08, 10:17  #24

You sir are a nutter,a sick and twisted one at that,grow up.
(not you S,lol,the loony tune who thinks I should show respect for the death march murderers,th rapists and the torturorswhat a twisted little man he seems to be.)


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Jozef Pilsudski
  Apr 12, 08, 10:59  #25

You sir are a nutter,a sick and twisted one at that,grow up.


Real intelligent discourse; such an open-minded chap you are.

the loony tune who thinks I should show respect for the death march murderers,th rapists and the torturorswhat a twisted little man he seems to be.)


A warrior who fails to respect his enemies is simply ignorant, and a dead man walking. Dehumanization of your opponents leads to underestimation, which is a sure way to throw any battle. I have the utmost respect for the Japanese war dead, soldier and civilian, as should you, and just as I have for any other people who suffered through that horrible conflict - Polish, British, German, American, Italian, Dutch, or whomever.

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isthatu2
  Apr 12, 08, 11:09  #26

So you feel sorry for the SS war dead do you,you have lots of respect for them do you? How about the NKVD soldiers who died,going to defend their honour are you? Im afraid your argument is morraly bankrupt.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Apr 12, 08, 11:53  #27

Jozef Pilsudski:

Nothing unusual about the high level of respect between two great cultures.

It's unfortunate that, due to circumstances, we ended up on opposite sides during the war, but that doesn't mean that Poles can't still learn alot from Japanese culture, and vice versa.


Would you say the same if Japan would have been Polands neighbour instead of Germany or Russia?

Would you say the same of Germany? *waits expectantly*


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isthatu2
  Apr 12, 08, 12:02  #28

Heres the thing JP, The british soldiers who fought against the germans dont tend to hold grudges,in fact,just last week there was a reunion of British bomber crews with a group of german night fighter pilots. To this day,any British former soldier who saw what the Japanese issen goren did in the far east will have absolutly nothing to do with Japan or the japanese people.


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Seanus
  Apr 12, 08, 12:06  #29

Let's bury the hatchet and let sleeping dogs lie. Leave the bickering to the old fogies and biddies with their sticks.


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isthatu2
  Apr 12, 08, 12:09  #30

Yeah,lets big up the GOOD things about Japan,the art,gorgeous women,ikira kuresawa etc etc.....


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