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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 05:29  #391

Quoting: z_darius
The boy was killed right there, on the spot. Near a water well in the yard, perhaps 10 paces from the house. A shot in his head.


I understand your feelings, this is natural. But then why is this is still going on in Palestine. Israeli snipers shooting kids, and journalists. This is a fact. If they were so humane why are they doing to the Palestinians what was done to them. WHY ?

And with regards to authenticity don't even try to compare your Grandma's story with every day news.

My Grandma also has stories about why they were disliked while they were living in her village. But I prefer to stick to historical facts.

Quoting: Polson
Generalization.2 years ago in France, a Jew were kidnapped, bad treated, and killed. The reason : he was Jewish, so he must be rich. The truth was that he was very poor. Cruel story.


False flag operations to highlight the victims plight for the ignorant sheep.

See also below:

Jewish GW Student Admits Putting Swastikas On Her Door:
URL

Quoting: JACEK23
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What are you actually trying to say...your philosophical talk has no value. Pls talk to me with facts & figures instead of psycho-analyzing the situation to divert attention.

[quote=JACEK 23] None of my Jewish friends hates any of the nations that oppressed and butchered them in the past - not the Germans, Russians, Ukranians, Arabs, and yes, not the Poles.


So tell me why did our President A. Kwasniewski make a formal apology to Jews for Holocaust ? If your Jewish friends did not want that apology then who was it addressed to ?

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Polson
  Nov 17, 07, 06:13  #392

Okay, so in your opinion, Jews want to rule the world. What is your solution ? Have you Hitler's phone number ?...

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 06:14  #393

Quoting: Bernstein
I am a Jewish Pole who emigrated to Isreal 19 years ago


You were very lucky to have escaped to Israel while we suffered under communism, queuing up for basic needs.

Was it your special position in society which allowed you to leave the country ?

Let me ask your stance....ARE YOU POLISH first or Jewish first ? Do you consider Israel as your promised land ?

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Polson
  Nov 17, 07, 06:16  #394

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
ARE YOU POLISH first or Jewish first ?


Jewish is not a nationality.

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
You were very lucky to have escaped to Israel while we suffered under communism, queuing up for basic needs.

Was it your special position in society which allowed you to leave the country ?


Many Poles left Poland during the communism era, not only Jews.

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 06:29  #395

Quoting: Polson
Jews want to rule the world


No. Its the Zionists who have this plan.

I have nothing against real Jews who pray alongside Christians and Muslims as they did peacefully for centuries in Jerusalem.

Check out Theodore Herzl. He is considered the founder of Israel:

"But we wish to give the Jews a Homeland. Not by dragging them ruthlessly out of their sustaining soil, but rather by removing them carefully, roots and all, to a better terrain. "

The above shows the seeds of the plan were already sown in late 19th C. And this plan was at the cost of millions of lives:
Bolshevik Revolution
Fall of Ottoman Empire
WWI
WWII
Then in 1946 the state of Israel was born
And in 1988 Bernstein was lucky enough to escape communist Poland to Israel

Quoting: Polson
Polson


are you his lawyer ?

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Polson
  Nov 17, 07, 06:39  #396

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
are you his lawyer ?


I'm not a lawyer, but i can try to be one when it comes to defend some persons who are discriminated wrongly.

;)

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isthatu
  Nov 17, 07, 07:50  #397

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
"But we wish to give the Jews a Homeland. Not by dragging them ruthlessly out of their sustaining soil, but rather by removing them carefully, roots and all, to a better terrain. "

The above shows the seeds of the plan were already sown in late 19th C. And this plan was at the cost of millions of lives:
Bolshevik Revolution
Fall of Ottoman Empire
WWI


OK,lets look at this......
for a start,you have basic things out of order;
WWI
Bolshevik Revolution
Fall of Ottoman Empire
WWII
Then in 194"7" the state of Israel was born...

OK so the family fight between the cousins of Victoria,which was actually a combination of a weapons race for dreadnoughts between Britain and Germany(who wanted to "defend" her expanding Empire) and the machinations of a Serb radical who shot that Rock Group from Glasgow in Sarajavo causing the invasion of Serbia with the follow up that many intertwinning and complex mutual assistence treaties were put into place that is WW1,was all planned by "the jews" was it...who then knew that...crikey,the superpower that was the old Russian Empire was going to collapse in a fight against an enemy fighting on 2 fronts who may easily have been defeted,leading to a revolution;was all planned by these same "jews"? and then secular Muslims who wanted to modernise turkey after its defeat at the hands of Christian Aussies and Brits and hordes of Muslim Arabs (giving the muslim Arabs a very strong position in the area...obviously ideal for mass jewish settlement...) was planned by the very same "jews"?......and then,they must have caused the depresion,those greedy money hungry jews just love having no money around obviously,which led to hitlers rise to power and his persecution and robbery of millions of jews was planned by the very same "jews"...?....who then,went to palastine,bombed the Brits in terror attacks and then went past blocades(obviously a jewish double bluff..) to form the state of isreal against the worlds wishes was all planned by thesae very same late 19th C "jews"?? REALLY, did they have a crystal ball? Wouldnt they have been better ,with such foresight,placing lots of bets on the G Gees?
You sad anti whatever conspirecy theorists would do yourself better by getting an obbsession with UFOs and little green men, far less people would LTFAO at you then........

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JACEK 23 [Guest]
  Nov 17, 07, 08:34  #398

Provocation? Reality? What planet have you fallen down to earth from (or rather, what Montenegrin mountain boondocks have you descended from)? Jesus was not Jewish? The apostles were not Jewish? The early Christians were not Jewish? The Old Testament and much of the New were not originally written in Hebrew? I bet you thought they were written in Old Slavic or Russian. And you call yourself a Christian, you ignorant lying birdbrain?

Wakeup and smell the roses!

I'm truly sorry that your cognitive mechanism is not equipped to process a few complex sentences, ideas, and facts. Yes, my paragraph that you circled but didn't understand contains many salient facts. I know that you're primarily capable of understanding anti-Semitic falsifications that you take for facts and figures. I have already twice pointed out how you can find out for yourself that the lists on this forum are inaccurate, but even that simple instruction is beyond your intelligence. Having a serious discussion with an anti-Semite is like trying to prove to a Middle Ages monk that the earth is round or that humans evolved from lower species. Both activities are futile, so I'll respectfully bow out.

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 14:42  #399

Quoting: JACEK 23
Jesus was not Jewish? The apostles were not Jewish?


JESUS WAS JUDEAN AND NOT JEWISH. IF YOU TRAVELLED BACK IN TIME AND ASKED HIM "JESUS, ARE YOU JEWISH ?" HE WOULD NOT KNOW THIS TERM. HE WOUld HAVE SAID:

"MY DEAR IGNORANT CHILD, I AM JESUS OF NAZERATH, AND I FOLLOW THE MONOTHEISTIC RELIGION OF ABRAHAM"

1. THE WORD JUDAISM COMES FROM JUDEA. It means "the practices of Judea".
2. Jew comes from Judea, just like Hindu comes from Hindustan(India).
3. Jewish is (or atleast should be) a religious term for "The followers of Judaism" so "the followers of the practices of judea". If Jesus did not follow those practices, he should no longer be recognised as Jewish but Judean.
4. By following Jesus, you are going against Judaism that was followed in those days.
5. Anybody that claims to be "of the Jewish race" is not Jewish but Judean. Having a racist religion is forbidden in Judaism (the proper one, the kind accepted by Jesus Christ and Christians).
6. "the religion of Abraham" is what Jews, Christians and Muslims are suppose to follow. Not thier own versions. So whichever religion is most like the religion of Abraham is the religion which Jesus followed.

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Nov 17, 07, 14:50  #400

JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 14:51  #401

Quoting: isthatu
isthatu


Thanks for correcting the order of events.

Looks like you've been reading your high school History books which i threw away a few years ago.

Remember sheep follow blindly. And all leaderships need sheep. Otherwise it would be cahos if all the sheep started thinking for themselves and disbelieving official history.

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joepilsudski
  Nov 17, 07, 14:56  #402

Quoting: JACEK 23
No one has had the guts to answer the crucial issues of Christian/Catholic anti-Semitism that I posed. Anti-Semites always skirt the main issues and skip to the next paranoid claim of Jewish domination of everything. If you hate Jews and pray to the divinity that was Jewish and use the Bible that was handed down to you by Jews - what does that make you? You try to answer that question for yourself as soon as you can because, as you believe, the time will come when you'll have to answer that and many other difficult questions to the Father of Christ on Judgement Day. Why are you such cowards? Be brave enough in your evil and say: "No, I could care less what the position of my church is and has been since the Nostra Aetate proclamation of 1965. I wish that the Nazis had exterminated all the Jewish vermin and I hope someone finishes the job sooner or later."
Instead, you play these games of lies and half-truths, lists of non-Jews being paraded as Jews, pretending that you're insulted when someone calls you anti-Semitic, trying to justify your corrupt nature to yourself and knowing deep down that you can't. You look for like-minded fools on these forums because misery loves company. You don't have enough courage or intelligence to look deep into your own soul and psyche and find the reasons why you find it your main preoccupation in life to villify a tribe that is just as good or bad as any on this earth but has somehow managed to make significant contributions to the Western civilization far beyond their numbers despite irrational persecutions.
That explains why you wouldn't discuss the 2nd main issue of my post - that of hatred as mental illness. None of my Jewish friends hates any of the nations that oppressed and butchered them in the past - not the Germans, Russians, Ukranians, Arabs, and yes, not the Poles. They feel contempt towards the anti-Semites amongst them but fully accept the ones that are not. Your own soul will be saved when you can judge anyone (not just the Jews) on the basis of their individual merits, not their nationality or religion. Try it - it will make you free and fully human.


Christians reject hatred of peoples as such...we hate evil...as far as divinity being Jewish,
this is a teaching of the rabbis, and is a statement so full of pride & absurdity, that I would suggest you reread your own words...this is as absurd as the notion that Jesus Christ 'was a Jew'...the word 'Jew' was non-existant at the time of Jesus Christ...I would also note this: Jesus Christ was not a 'Christian' either, but the 'church' or 'assembly' he
founded later took that name...as far as 'anti-semitism', this is a misnomer, but the other term you use 'Jew-hatred' is an accurate one...all hatred is indeed, both a spiritual & mental illness, and can only be healed through repentance before God & His gift of reason and understanding...on the issue of Christian 'Jew-hatred', there is no excuse for
the indulging of any hatred for other human beings, but there are reasons for it, both rational and irrational...certainly, if you study the history of the Jews in Europe, you will find that they have been victims of hatred, and also practicioners of it, as the murder of
millions of Russian & Ukranian Christians by the Athiest/Bolshevist Jews in the 1920's &
30's clearly demonstrate...Christians should clearly understand that the powers that rule this world, whatever nationality they spring from, have no love of God, and will slaughter Christians, Jews or Muslims whenever their need for power/control moves them.

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joepilsudski
  Nov 17, 07, 15:08  #403

Quoting: JACEK 23
Provocation? Reality? What planet have you fallen down to earth from (or rather, what Montenegrin mountain boondocks have you descended from)? Jesus was not Jewish? The apostles were not Jewish? The early Christians were not Jewish? The Old Testament and much of the New were not originally written in Hebrew? I bet you thought they were written in Old Slavic or Russian. And you call yourself a Christian, you ignorant lying birdbrain?


You need to study your Bible & research Biblical scholarship...you must learn who Abraham was (in contemporary terms, an Iraqi), you must differentiate the term 'Israelite' from 'Jew', and you must understand that their wre no 'Jews' existing
during the time of Jesus...there were Pharisees, Scribes, Saducees & most importantly,
they were collectively called 'Iudeans' or 'Judeans'...this word is innacurately transliterated into the English language as 'Jew'...the actual term 'Jew' is a translation of the French word 'Giu', from about the 18th Century...why is this important?...because the
modern 'Jew' and Christian alike are confused about these terms, and in effect, turn the
church of Jesus Christ into a 'Judeo-Christian' chimera...the present day religion of the
'Jews' is the direct descendant of the teachings of the Pharisees, who Jesus condemned...tribaly/racially, the old Judeans were a mixed lot, and there 'religious' practices were also a mixed lot.

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JACEK 23 [Guest]
  Nov 17, 07, 15:52  #404

To Wakeup:

You're playing vacuous semantic games. The word 'Jewish" denotes both the mebers of an ethnic group and of religious denomination. The Jews themselves have a calendar that goes back over 5,000 yrs and the Torah (basis for Old Testamant), which was written at least 2,500 years ago. That means that the Jewish identity has been in existence at least that long. One can be Jewish ethnically but not religiously and the other way around. Jesus was ethnically Jewish and a member of a Jewish religious sect that eventually grew into Christianity. That's not the rabbis' propaganda; that is an established historical fact that only rabid ideologues with an anti-Jewish agenda are trying to contradict. Even though I'm not Jewish, I know that the subject of Jesus is non-existant in the synagogues. Jesus is not a divinity for the Jews, just a historical figure from their own tribe.

But all of this is beyond the point. What matters is that a minority tribe has been irrationally singled out by a better part of the monomaniacal human community to take the blame for all their frustrations. It says more about the Jew-haters than the Jews. The Russians have been the historical bane of the Poles, but I don't see an enormous amount of hate towards the Russians. Maybe it's because you knew that you couldn't do anything to the Russians because of their size, so you beat up on the convenient minority with the historical help from the pulpit and the politicians. It's also known as hipocrisy and cowardice. Still, despite all this, the Jews have made contributions to the world that are hundredfold as large as those of the Poles. Is envy maybe part of the Jew-hatred? I wouldn't at all discount it.

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Heinrich [Guest]
  Nov 17, 07, 16:20  #405

You're a Jew yourself, aren't you? In fact, I wouldn't be "proud" of my contributions as a Jew. They've corrupted the world, that is their contribution.

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isthatu
  Nov 17, 07, 16:36  #406

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
Quoting: isthatu
isthatu


Thanks for correcting the order of events.

your welcome.

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
Looks like you've been reading your high school History books which i threw away a few years ago.

Yes ,from your bizzare ramblings one can quite easily imagine you did throw your books away.
Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
Remember sheep follow blindly. And all leaderships need sheep. Otherwise it would be cahos if all the sheep started thinking for themselves and disbelieving official history.


Yes and Baah to you too, whos line are you following,nothing you have said bore any origionality,just the same tired old conspiricy theories and rascism.


Quoting: Heinrich
You're a Jew yourself, aren't you? In fact, I wouldn't be "proud" of my contributions as a Jew. They've corrupted the world, that is their contribution.

This would be funny if your name wasnt Heinrich...put your little glasses back on,strut around in a grey uniform then vomit the minute you see what your silly paranio leads too.

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 16:40  #407

Quoting: JACEK 23
What matters is that a minority tribe has been irrationally singled out by a better part of the monomaniacal human community to take the blame for all their frustrations.



Could it, JUST could it be that they have been singled RATIONALLY ? Could it be that the rest of the world that is right and they are the wrongdoers?

Look at how many lands and kingdoms they have been kicked out of. They have been kicked out throughout history and hated by the people of the countries they sucked dry...

This is why they were expelled from most European Kingdoms before the middle ages. Ask yourself why ?

Below is a URL from Jewish persecution source:
P.E. Grosser & E.G. Halperin, Anti-Semitism: Causes and Effects,
New York: Philosophical Library, 1978

[url=www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/HistoryJewishPersecution.htm][/ur l]

ASK YOURSELF WHY POLAND AND....PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. and don't forget it began with the EXODUS from Egypt around 1200 BC.


Quoting: JACEK 23
Is envy maybe part of the Jew-hatred?


Envy of what? Most people (not me though) are too busy to be envious or think about it; they are worrying about their jobs, paying off their debt, drinking, shopping, or watching football.

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Nov 17, 07, 16:50  #408

Quoting: JACEK 23
Still, despite all this, the Jews have made contributions to the world that are hundredfold as large as those of the Poles. Is envy maybe part of the Jew-hatred? I wouldn't at all discount it.



WAGNER:

"The Jews' sense of Beholding has never been of such a kind as to let plastic artists arise among them: from ever have their eyes been busied with far more practical affairs, than beauty and the spiritual substance of the world of forms.
The Jew, who is innately incapable of enouncing himself to us artistically through either his outward appearance or his speech, and least of all through his singing. has nevertheless been able in the widest-spread of modern art-varieties, to wit in Music, to reach the rulership of public taste.—"

URL

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isthatu
  Nov 17, 07, 16:56  #409

Why do you choose to call yourself POLANDAWAKE? Isnt that rather too close to DEUATSCHLAND ERWACHE for any Pole with a minute sense of thier own history to even contemplate using?
Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
Could it, JUST could it be that they have been singled RATIONALLY ?

maybe those akward quariling slaves east of civilised europe were singled out rationaly.
oops,sorry,of course thats ludicrus,silly me

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
This is why they were expelled from most European Kingdoms before the middle ages. Ask yourself why ?

were they really,funny that, where did they go then?New York?
This country,they were expelled because our king didnt want to pay back the money he had borrowed to go and fight the french,easier to whip a bunch of peasants into hate than it is to pay your debts I suppose.And for every european country they were expelled from there was another willing to take them in.

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
p.s. and don't forget it began with the EXODUS from Egypt around 1200 BC.

Is that the one with Charlton Heston in?Your point being? The Poles started as a tribe of swampys around 900AD,The rest of the world started as Monkeys in Africa along time before that. Just what is your point my dear? I ask again,were you traumatized by seeing Yentl at a young age,or maybe chocked on a gifilter fish sarnie.

Ha, someone quoting Wagner as a source of inteligent debate about the Jewish peoples,ha bloomin ha ha
Which Wagner is it the one Hitler idolized for being slightly more rabid than der sturmmer?

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 17:08  #410

Quoting: isthatu
put your little glasses back on,strut around in a grey uniform


that did make me laugh lol. thanks :-)

Quoting: isthatu
were they really,funny that, where did they go then?New York?


Why dont you check out the URL first before making comments. Lets deal with facts my friend:

[url=www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/HistoryJewishPersecution.htm][/ur l]

Quoting: isthatu
they were expelled because our king didnt want to pay back the money he had borrowed to go and fight the french


You actually know more than you make out with. I'm impressed. Now try to read between the lines. Let me help you:

"our king didnt want to pay back the money he had borrowed" - This was their Modus Operandi in most of the European Kingdoms.

How could it be that Kings had to borrow money from the Jewish money lenders. Now we're not talking about your average jew money lender sitting in his pawn shop....We are talking money lending here to finance wars. That's how big these money lenders were and still are (modern day banking system based on intersest and fractional reserves). Kings and Queens eventually became answerable to them. In the beginning they were kicked out of countries, but thet came back like parasites, using the court of law to make the kings answerable to the judges. That's why we don't have monarchies any more, and those that exist are lame.

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isthatu
  Nov 17, 07, 17:26  #411

I try :)
Different points of view are what makes the world go round but whenever I come across lazy stereotyping,especialy age old junk that gets spurted out about some world wide conspiricy where we are all controlled by a tiny minority who happen all to be of the jewish persuasion,well, I just have to engage,as in the most part,this sort of rabid filth died out here in the UK years ago and can sometimes come across frankly as some sort of throw back to the olden days conjoring images of ,well,I dont know what as unlike some countries we dont realy seem to have such an obbsesion with portraying ourselves as the unwitting slaves of some hidden Kosher mafia . I dont think there is a single person in the UK who ever has his jewish ness brought up unless its David Badiel having the pee taken from him by frank skinner. I really do hope this sort of crap isnt being imported to our shores by generations of young Poles....of course its not thouh,most of them have a brain on their shoulders, your views are just an anachronism in the modern age and clearly demonstrate an insecurity on your part rather than anything else. I can think of a better name for you,instead of poland awake,call yourself Irme greisse(sp) as this would be far more fiting for your internet persona.

Quoting: WAKEUPPOLAND
How could it be that Kings had to borrow money from the Jewish money lenders.

er,because Christains wernt allowed to become money lenders so jews were indentured to that profession. no between the lines reading needed Im afraid. Quick,if you look under your bed you'll find a gremlin.....

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PL KILLER [Guest]
  Nov 17, 07, 17:28  #412

most of anti semits here are not Polish (check it in profiles)

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 17:34  #413

Quoting: PL KILLER
PL KILLER


you dont even have a profile....ha ha!!

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JACEK 23 [Guest]
  Nov 17, 07, 17:35  #414

N from the Monte,

Let me guess. I bet you were in the units that bombarded Dubrovnik and killed Catholic civilians in the area 15 years ago or have relatives that did - all because you were doing God's work. It is very ironic that a current or former resident of Montenegro, that proud statelet from the Balkans, which has made countless valuable contributions to the Western civilization since Dukljanin the Monk, has the gall to minimize the artistic achievements of the Jews via a quote from Wagner, Hitler's favorite composer. The Montenegrins have always been regarded as the least musically talented nationality in the Balkans. The Jews, on the other hand, are considered one of the most musically talented people in the world. If you don't know it, it proves my previous statement. If you pretend you don't know it, you are beyond contempt. Your country is the cloaka of Europe, that's why you probably left it, and don't you ever forget it.

Ti si, supcino, savrsen primjer one stare izreke: "Sta sve picka ne rodi!" Goni se u pizdu mile matere iz Cuca. (This is from my friend OBSERVER, who is a little more forceful than I am)

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Grzegorz_
  Nov 17, 07, 17:37  #415

WAKEUP, don't you have anything else to do ?

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JACEK 23 [Guest]
  Nov 17, 07, 17:51  #416

From OBSERVER to CRNOGORAC:

Nisam se nikad libio da nitkove, lazljivce i budale posaljem u neku stvar, narocito kad oni prvi pocnu da psuju. To je svakako manji grijeh od onoga sto ti u rukavicama ili bez rukavica radis na ovom forumu u slobodno vrijeme.

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 17:52  #417

No...I am doing this while i am watching Godfather on TVN.

By the way did you know that......

Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel,
Meyer "The Brain" Lansky: (Lanskytook on the task of uniting the Jewish gangs across the country)
Louis "Lepke" Buchalter
Joseph "Doc" Stacher;
Jacob "Gurrah" Shapiro;
Hyman "Curly" Holtz;
Louis "Shadows" Kravits;
Harry Tietlebaum;
Philip "Little Farvel" Kovalick
Harry "Big Greenie" Greenberg.

I can't say that they would have been religious....:-)

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isthatu
  Nov 17, 07, 17:58  #418

Oh I bet you come in your pants when Mo Green gets whaked........
Did you know that
Al Capone
Lucky Luciano
Don Corleonne
Pauli Gotti
were all Catholics
Erwache, great film your watching,shame you probably wont be able to follow the complicated machinations of those evil slimy catholics who obviously are representitives of all other catholics...........in your odd line of thought.

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WAKEUPPOLAND
  Nov 17, 07, 18:08  #419

Well not many know that many of the key mafia bosses were (non-practicing) Jews. The underground world was and is a very lucrative business. Why should they not dominate that area too....? But that's another topic.

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isthatu
  Nov 17, 07, 18:13  #420

They dominated in certain areas, mostly in New York prior to the consolidation of the various Sicilian families ,just as the irish dominated the Police force but to say organised crime was dominated by them in the States is pure garbage,
but,Im fast coming to the conclusion that even with facts burned into your eyes you would still be blind....your loss,no one else's as Im darn tootin you have absoloutly zero power in this world and probably only get any sympathy from barmy militia types and sad old cranks.

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