Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish

I do not deny that.


The plot thickens. Collaboration can take many forms.
There are good people and bad people of all varieties in this world.

MAX FACTOR - hewas from LODZ


but he dint change his surname

Faktorowicz?

Ok so i will put link to jews site about holocaust

http://www.yadvashem.org/

Read chronology, which nation has the bigest amout of heros helping jews durring the war ... (Righteous)

Who created gettos (in meaning it is usualy understood acording to WW II )

Who created gas chambers ...

Where jews were retrating form Germany just before the begining of the war ('39)

Just read that before telling me something about Polish gas chambers

I'm not posting any more in this thread.

The subject of Jewry in Poland is a worthwhile subject of discussion,

but I'm bored of the antisemitic claptrap

that forms the basis of the thread (see post 1)

blah blah, I wasnt even talking about ww2,as only a dummy brings up that subject......

lukasz, you got a burr up your butt mate,I take into acount your english may not yet be fluent but no one here has posted anything about poland being responsible for nazi concentration camps,you were the one that brought all that tripe up mate,maybe thats some commen belief in some parts of the world but generally not among people who dont write in squiggly lines.
Ghetto is the term used for all areas where jews were forced/choosing to live throught europes history,not just ww2. My origional point I was trying to make is there is no such thing as a universal jew or jewish mindset. While those jewish people who came to Britain over the last 350 odd years decided to integrate more with the "local" population those in eastern europe generally choose to or were forced to live seperatly.

To be honest the case of "Polish deadh camps" is quite current. I just wanted to make it clear.

So just read that :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettos_in_occupied_Europe_1939_-_1944

ok,fine mate,just didnt like you getting the wrong end of the stick,as you did,and acuse me of being some muppet who doesnt know history.
To be frank,people who think poland was culpable for what happened to the jews in ww2 are beyond redemption/education. It doesnt take a PHD to figure out that an occupied country that ceased to exist( general govt and warthgau not exactly a free Poland) couldnt have had much say in anything carried out on its soil.
and again,I think its your english mate but I will not follow your orders to "Just read that," Ive read just about all I care to on the subject thank you, but am glad for any others who may not have they will be able to follow your links.

Take it easy I havent accuesd you about being muppet ect. What is more, when you click on the first link ;)))) You will notice that not only muppets ;) are wrong in this case, but highly educated jurnalist of Guardian, The New York Times, Der Spigel ect.



Ehmm ok my English isnt perfect, but I understand everything what you writte, and I think my opinions contribute something here.

no, of course they do Lukasz, sorry if im not being clear though:(
really, I will have a look then,thanks, though I do find my blood presure rising when I read that sort of nonsense..........yes,you are right,unfortunatly there are a few "well educated" people who appear to hold those strange views. One example I can think of is a famous film clip showing ethnic germans in ,I think Poznan, saluting the invading Germans. The "historian" claimed this showed that some Poles welcomed the nazi's and so must have been involved in the later holocaust,when in fact all it showed were germans greating german soldiers who happened to be on Polish soil.
oh and as a big ps, your english is far far better than my Polish so I didnt mean any disrespect mate :)

Please cite the scientific paper where it says that Poland is economically behind because of poor education, or are you just spouting forth BS? You criticise the guy for ripping Jews off then you attack the Poles and claim they are uneducated. If Pollacks are so ignorant, what are you doing on these forums anyway? Ne?

I'm shocked and saddened to read the anti-Semitic filth posted in here.

Amazing what envy does to small minds.

It may be interesting :


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/12/world/europe/12krakow.html?pagewante d=1&n=Top/News/World/Countries%20and%20Territories/Poland&_r=1

hi I hate people who are anti semectic.
my husband,s father was from Poland his father,s original name was labja yanowitz but when he came to the United States he changed his name to louis Janowitz.j in Polish is sounding like Y.
and his father had family killed in the holocoust in Poland.
my husbands mother,s family was Russian. all jewish. his father was a kohaim the highest tribe in the jewish religion.I am not jewish but I parctice it sometimes my husband is not religious.I know that Poland did nothing to help save the jews during this dark time very few poles had ever help they were glad to see jews killed. and help the nazi,s and before Germany there was a lot of anti semitism there. I know through reading history and what my husband told me what his father said.there was the Warsaw uprising but that was fought by Polish Jews trying to defend their homeland.
I heard there are people who do not like jews in poland as of today.
I have one very good respect Pope John Paul 11 tried to save and got jews out of Poland and had jewish friends and did a lot for them.

would you care to share these references with us. What books/comics did you read these 'facts'? Could you give us titles, ISBN numbers? I would love to see the evidence to back these statements

Read sometimes some normal history, not only one sided views of anti-Polonistic American Jews.



You mean Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - a small group of Jewish teenagers decided to fight when they realized that they are going to die anyway. Warsaw Uprising was 100 times bigger and was done by Goys but who cares, better spread hate and chuvanism.

I doubt she can read without pictures, only comics.

No. I don't blame them. I know what's the popular version of Polish history in the USA.

are you people all anti semetic. no daisy I read from learning here not comics and from being married to a half pole. and greg how can you say that about only teens they were fighting for Poland.

I read from books with no pictures and school. there is no comics look it up in the holocoust sections. greg half the jews here in USA were from or their parents from Poland. no hard feeling here but read up on your history I think Poland tell another story

...hmm...Jewish names are easier to pronounce...okay, i'm left ;P

No.



In the ghetto ? Not very much, they fought for their dignity. After finally realized that they are going to die anyway, they decided to die in fight, not "taking shower".

BTW These people from the ghetto were sending letters (smuggled outside and send to America) to Jewish leader in the USA begging them to do something and they did sh*it, didn't even try to send any money. As a result some of the people in the ghetto made a list of American Jews they are going to kill If they survive the war. But what the hell, It's sure easier to hide such things and blame "damn Pollocks", who "did nothing" - like those people could dial 911 and call the police, lol !

ok no hard feelings here.to people who do not know look up int the museums.
books and go to jewish synoguages. I know of some Poles who help like the latest Pope. I know about the home army. they were trying to get rid of all the poles right after the jews did you know that.I am not jewish but I will keep defending them and keeping by their side. greg you are right people had tried to get the english and americans to help the US knew what was going on and never helped you are right that I know.but the US had to go and fight the germans it was a bad war.my husbands mother was a nurse in the army during ww2.I am not anti polanist. I feel bad becuae you guys were victims as well.but at least to Germany regrets what they had done.

true it is historical fact ...


ok Amirah Janowitz so you should watch historical truth showed by Polish Jews like Polanski or Holand ... to see how it was ... and that some people in USA created something like Polish death camps (yes americans created this crazy idea) ... and you read their books and belive in it it is your problem not our ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp

And When I see new american ideas who is bad on the world it looks just pathetic ...

lukasz I only know what I was tought here I meet holocoust survivors.
and learned here. maybe if I was in Poland I would learn differently.it was a german idea.
I know about Polanski. my favorite movie is called the Pianist polanski made.
Poland did not make the death camps no the germans did not you guys.
they put the camps there becuase they thought of poland as a dumping ground to kill.
it was NEVER Poland,s idea. but you should watch Schindlers list on part showed the jews in the trains and while going on them and and looking out the windows.
it showed Polish children making I will cutt your throught signs at them.
try meeting some holocoust survivors you will see. there were death camps in germany as well. It was not Polands fault about the jews but Hitlers.it just angers me when I hear bad stuff about jews they are people too. I hope I did not offend you.

there was no such thing as Polish death camps. they were german death camps operated by germans in Poland.I will look it up more.

glad to hear you are not antisemtic greg good for you.

I suggest everybody to read the last letter of Szmul Zygielbojm before he committed suicide. He was leader of Polish Jewry at that time and member of Polish government in exile. An important testimony.

www.yad-vashem.org.il/about_holocaust/documents/part2/doc154.html

Schindler list ... no comment just watch movies made by Polish jews, who really know how it was ...

Schindlers list ... ehhh, so why they didnt mentioned fact that hitler oferted USA that they can pay for jews life, transfer money by neutral countries and all Jews USA paid for would be relifed ... USA refused ... That is why Polish Jews made list of USA Jews to kill after thr war ... but it isnt glory fact in history of the strongest countries now ... and I dont think you have read something abiout it in your books ...