Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish

agree, the truth

from what i've gathered any paticular jew will not state what they are but "jewish"
its either i was born here or i was born there... never really say that they are...
german jew, polish jew, russian jew... i'm not trying to be anything controversial... but just throwing out what i have noticed... i also took a sociology class a couple in college and learned "jewish" is a race and not only a religion... but its weird how they never say what they are but jewish, i guess since the jews really dont have a motherland they feel they aren't from anywhere? i dont know and dont think i'll ever understand...

okay, reading the previous posts.... WTF! polish death camps? are you guys for real?
haha... yep blame the dumb pollocks, the only people who even think of "polish" camps are just ignorant... how just tell me how the logistics of this idea would've worked? its simple germans came and took whoever and whatever they wanted... how can you say it was only jews though? it was only about the jews? yes it was one of their priorities but read a history book, not only jews perished in that time... plain and simple if you were in their way, you went too... thats all, depending on who you talk to , more jews were lost than there ever existed, not everyone was jewish... oh and one other thing, atleast poland fought and lost, yeah the germans had the advanced technology but they went down fighting... just put yourself in those shoes, it took balls to battle on horseback against a tank coming your way... unlike france, france just pretty much invited the germans to come kill, pilage, and rape their women... and it is america and allied forces who liberated them, but they hate americans... just food for thought, sorry about all the rambling, the long post, and if i kinda got side tracked there...

Why is it dumb to talk about WWII?...while people can become obsessed with the past, thus, in turn, becoming crippled when dealing with the present & the future, it is important to get a balanced perspective on history, so that one can learn from one's mistakes and not repeat them.

Being Jewish and living in Poland,I must say that,fortunately, the prevailing attitude here is far more progressive, tolerant and intellectually honest than the majority of opinions expressed in this thread.

So majority of opinions expressed in this thread are regressive, intolerant and intelectually dieshonest... for exampel which ones ? Or maybe which aren't to make It easier.

I'm glad to hear that - here I recently learned that my family immigrated to the United States as "russian jews" but were really "polish jews" and I can say that while I don't know a lot of Poles - I would say that my family behaves and acts like the Polish Catholic families I know in general and that if this much hate exists for people that have heritage in Poland for generations then it is really sad.

This is no news that the political Jews usually masquarade themselves. It's easier to fool people when you're one of them. This not only goes for Poland but pretty much every other nation. They're like leeches and nobody likes them so they have to hide their true origin otherwise they wouldn't prevail.

No better crap could be heard in America not so long ago about Slavs and other immigrants, who weren't white Protestants.

Oh let him espouse it - He's giving us an example of his quoted words...bottom line is is good to see what kind of thoughts run through people's minds in the world. Personally, I don't find it offensive but rather entertaining and somewhere educational.

Bottom line, for the energy focused on bigotry and judgment there shows up as failure in the lives of those who do not rise to their own highest potential. Perhaps people who so long focus on how victimized they are because of the presence of Jews would be better served to start seeing what their lives would look like if they took that same enthusiam and opened a business down the street or organized a community (and I'm not talking a group of bigots) for a productive purpose.

My mother's family is Jewish, I was not raised Jewish in faith but I will say that living on the outside of the Jewish community I can see that hatred simply unites any single group of people and focuses them to a cause (whether it is the group hating or being hated). I would say in many ways that includes many of the immigrant groups that I've seen in Chicago and New York. Being that the other side of my family is black and now being able to see the inside of their belief system I see it equally disgusting how they judge and categorically dislike all that are not black and view them as their oppressors. (I was raised by a white-anglo-saxon-protestant step father whose family owned plantations - he raised me to be a bigot which sorely failed on his part)

It makes no difference if someone uses dislike for another race or culture or the entitlement of their own race or culture. Bottom, line we are all born naked, screaming and vulnerable. What we do after our countries, our families and our friends get done with us is strictly on our own volition and motivation. Living under the mask of a religion or using any gospel word as substantiation for human hatred is nothing but a slap in the face of Jesus, Buddha, Allah, or any other human label we have for God. There is not scripture that supports hatred, for the Word of God is not of hate but love. My personal opinion is that before the Second Coming, Apocalypse or whatever catharsis we shall so name it comes forth in the history of man perhaps we should take pause on how man's ability to ignorantly judgment of one human spirit another will the breaking of each man's arrogance to judge others. That includes everyone of the so called pundits he quotes above. Rising to a position of leadership and espousing less than educated words is nothing new - but it creates rallying points for those who are not strong enough of mind and belief to articulate their own words and thoughts.

Crnogorac - may you reflect on the power love as it reflects the light of God and feel that warmth instead of the fuel of hate that you so nicely assembled for all of us to read and have a better understanding of the minds of those less than enlightened beinging perpetuating ignorance in the world. And may a day come where someone who you pass judgment on comes by your way and extends a hand of friendship or support that you will be open enough to receive rather than hold on to empty passion.

Namaste :o)

it is good to know.

Actually the poster posting some of the worst stuff about Jews is joepilsudski. Ironically I assume he was named after Joseph Pilsudski who was a pre WW2 leader of Poland that apparently had a Jewish wife and was strongly opposed to anti-semitism. I doubt that he would approve of what is been written in his name in this thread

cant disagree with anything youve said( makes a change eh?) but, I had been discussing Jewish lives in Britain in the 18th/19th and early 20th century compared to those in Poland/Russian Empire at that time and was avoiding the subject of WW2 as it usually brings out anti semites and loony goy's that think the sun shines out of every jewish butt.

The same for people who arrived in the UK,they were termed "russian jews" for the simple fact they were coming from the then russian empire whether that be eastern Poland/ukraine or the baltic states or even,though doubtfull ,russia itself.

Oh and whoever it was that was using Shindlers list as historic fact? Ha bloomin har har. Where do I start with the taking that apart? A good film,but stinkingly inacurate. No mention of the fact that it was a Polish catholic who ran the pharmacie/hospital in the ghetto, no mention of the fact that Poldek pheferbergs contacts who helped him escape were Polsih catholics, no mention of the fact that kl Plasow was predominantly a camp for Polish catholic hostages who were treated just as badly,and the layout of the camp altered in the film to give Amon Goethe free vision across the camp with his hunting rifle. Stand where he was and you can see he would have been looking across the "Polish" sector of the camp......etc etc etc

Ive been wanting to say the same for an age....and he's a septic not a Pole,where is it again Joe,kentuky or Alabama?

I take the pen name Joe Pilsudski because 1) He was the bravest & best leader of Poland in the 20th Century; I do not compare myself to him, I merely use the pen-name out of admiration 2) As a child growing up in a large Polish-American community in Philadelphia, my parents were member of the Pilsudski Club, something like the American Legion, where we enjoyed many social events and I was allowed to drink pivo
occasionally.
As far as Jews go, I have and have had many Jewish friends, associates, girlfriends...the issue of ethnic origin never mattered in these relationships...I have become interested in the 'Jewish Question' because of my studies of 19th & 20th Century history...also, there is the cult/racket of Jewish victimization, which is propagated by elements of the Jewish leadership, particularly regarding events of WWII, in the US...what the Jewish intellectuals/propagandists belabor as the 'Holocaust' was actually just a small part of the mass slaughter that took place all over Europe in the 20th Century...as testimony of
many writers/historians, including Solshenytsin bear out, the Jews were both perpetrators & victims in these events...also, the US has been penetrated heavily in the
executive, legislative branches & the military by elements of the Mossad/Mossad operators...this is why we had 9-11, the war in Iraq & the never-ending 'War on Terror'...
some call this 'penetrating' element the 'neo-cons'.



No, Isthatu, I was born & raised and live in Philadelphia PA USA...and, now you betray your prejudice with your remarks about Kentucky & Alabama...have you ever visited either of these states?...Kentucky is particularly beautiful, and Alabama is nice too, although much hotter/humid...the people in both states are for the most part very kind &
intelligent, with common sense...

I have no hatred of Jews or anyone else...what I express on this thread is merely my view of current events/history...however, I do not kiss Jewish ass or Polish ass for that matter, unless it is the ass of a woman I care for.

I have nothing against the Jews, but neither did Jesus Christ, yet still they crucified Him.

I thought it was God's will that his only son die for our sins. Surely that absolves any person or group of guilt.

Obviously Jesus Christ had nothing against the Jews. He was Jewish himself........

The above negative posts about Jews are reprehensible and to not represent views all of Poles. People who made those statements are probably cognitively disabled.

Without the crucifixion, there would be no Christianity.
Someone had to do it. It was not all Jews. It was not the Romans either, as such.
It was humanity.

So try having some humanity.

When Jews were poor and repressed, they were despised for being poor and repressed.
When many Jews are rich and successful, they are despised for being rich and successful.
That says a lot about those who hate.
Do you feel bad about your own lot in life?
Hey - lets blame someone else! Who's first?

@ Osiol

Just to clear things up, I do not measure a man by what he is, who he is or from where he is but by his deeds.

I want to say, a Jew is not automatically a Zionist or a bad person by default. But one thing is as clear as daylight, not every Jew is a Zionist but every Zionist is a Jew.

I think that they themselves should deal with this problem, until it's too late. Until they themselves are clear with what it is they wish, and how they wish, to amongst themselves solve the question of Zionist radicalism, non-Jews will consider them as one being. Which is dangerous for all mentioned reasons.

@ Opts

Sorry to have to say this to you, but you are very narrow minded.

How can the Son of God be a Jew, or have any 'religion' for that matter?...God is the 'alpah & omega' or the beginning & end...He is...He belongs to no religion, but is the
One whom religious people seek...Jesus, it is true, come from the tribe of Judah...but these descendants of the ancient Israelite tribe were not 'Jews'...the word/concept did not exist...Judah became Judeans who were a mixed lot both racially & religiously...today's Jews, as described in the 'Encyclopedia Judaica' are considered the 'direct descents of the ancient Pharisees', who Jesus described in many ways, none of them flattering...'Jesus was a Jew' is a from of propaganda used by those who rejected Him, when they think they can score some rhetorical points or make a buck.

Not quite right...many of the leading Zionists were/are non-Jews who are mislead by many myths, both Biblical/Jewish/political...in fact the earliest proponents of a 'Jewish'
movement to Palestine were various Anglo preachers & the like who believed in what has been called 'British-Israelism', a mistaken belief that the British are descendants of
the 12 Tribes and thereby, 'Jewish'...this is a BIG lie that underpins much of Freemasonry...there is much material on this particular angle...and how about Tony Blair,
George Bush and their ilk?...they give all out support to the gangster mob in Tel Aviv, but,as far as can be ascertained, they aren't Jews...just something to consider.

Exactly! I mean whose ever heard of a Jewish carpenter? Such honest toil would only be done by good Protestant boy.

well said Joe....it is so clear...yet people refuse to see it.

Also people forget how they have lied to go to war with Iraq on the basis of Weaons of Mass destruction. Was anything ever found ? Iraq is now totally destroyed with nearly a million innocent lives taken. Was this the price to pay for Oil ? is any price to high ?

So we have to question: Why do Bush and Blair, Sarkozy and Merkel love Israel so much why? What has Israel ever done for either of these countries to warrant such unconditional love ?

"I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black, but..." :p



It looks like David Irving's started posting here. wtf????

....If Jesus (peace be upon him) was a money lender....it would be more believable...

I'm sure by saying this I'm "betraying" my Jewish heritage, but from where I stand I see that the Jews are capable of espousing hate as anyone else. I was thoroughly repulsed by the hatred and indiferrence I can hear if I spend time with many relatives of my family who seem to soon forget that we have cousins, aunts and uncles who died in Auschwitz by the very same hand of ignornace that they now hold.

I do not support Zionism - In my eyes it perpetuates as much death, inhumanity and violence as the so-claimed "muslim terrorist" organizations. Who the f*** gave any of these people the right to claim God and then kill in his name. Talk about blasphemy!!!While I do not claim to be an expert in the situation in Palestine - I personally believe that being born from one of the "12 tribes" or any other heritage give you a right to go kill, uproot and overrun any other people and then proclaim righteousness with blood on your hands before God.


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Amen!!! to both comments. And how many millions have found salvation in Christ?...perhaps the Jews are "chosen" to show reflections from both sides of humanity's coin. It may be both a blessing and a curse. I always got uncomfortable when certain denominations of Christians would come up to me and say "oh you are a Jew, you are one of the Chosen". No - I do not believe salvation is a birthright, but a way of living. There is not "auto pilot" button to liberation from this material world.