Polish Jews - they changed their Jewish surnames to Polish

LOL - and your point in a string about POLISH JEWS??????????

I guess I'm just not ready for the truth.

Goodbye.

NO. Even if the WORLD will collapse, the TRUTH is TRUTH. And the TRUTH stands on its feet. IT has no need protecting LAWS.

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

The offensive parts shoud be edited but the thread most definitely not locked.

OK. I admit I was too quick, and hot tempered, and Armenian genocide issue deserves more, maybe another topic.

Hmmm, Im part jew and Im quite happy about it, no fury here :) also dating a Hungarian - he doesnt seem to mind either :)

hunfriend = fasz fej

I have to say that you are overdoing it a bit, with these positive stands on Jewry and masons, by people who usually do not understand the whole subject.

It was mentioned earlier the incompetence of those people who reputedly emphasize the Jewish threat and who see all around them some sort of conspiracies.
Someone said that all of them are paranoid teens and uneducated people.
Here are now a few quotations of these uneducated people and their thoughts on International Jewry:

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This is just some of the statements of individuals, famous persons from history about the chosen people. There is so much of it that its unbelievable.

About the objections I received where I quoted World famous men, I can say that the point was their attitude towards Jewry, and all of them were very competent people in different fields and surely their words left a deep mark.

The biggest problem in this lies in fact that there are different approaches itself to the Jewish question, religious and biologic. Throughout history, expulsions of Jews were mostly based on the religious basis and it was thought they were the people who betrayed Christ, that they are the ones who serve an evil and dangerous religion. It means, the problem itself is within Judaism and the religious tendency of these people. It was believed that if the Jews were to abandon their religious beliefs and convert to Christianity, that then the problems with them would disappear. In the same way, some believed that Jews atheists would be just and altogether different to those devoted to Judaism. And they are capable like a chameleon to blend with their surroundings and change their jerseys, only to utilize current advantages which that period enables. Without consideration if a Jew marches in Palestine under the Israeli flag, if he marches over the Rhine under the German flag, or instead marches somewhere through Arizona with the American flag, or like your general marches with the Russian flag through Russia, he is everywhere in first place only a Jew. Only temporarily can he be a German, American or a Russian.
In every case, next to this approach which states that Judaism is the cause of Jewish destructiveness, there exists a biological approach, about which talked German racial theoreticians from the XIX and first half of XX century, that the situation is in reverse, instead it's that Jewish nature which also determines their religion in regards to the very philosophy of living. Just as European nations and their internal nature suits Christianity as a manifestation of their collective being, in that way the Jewish nation suits Judaism as a religion emerged from their collective unconscious.
Meaning the nature itself of one nation determines its religion, philosophy, ideology and overall behavior patterns. In that case neither Christianity, neither atheism cannot substantially change this inherited nature and those inherited patterns, that which was created for centuries and millenniums.

OMG

I see this thread have changed dramaticly, OK so I will tell you what I think

Our forign friends If you have problems with jews in your country, dont waist your time on PF, go and fight against them.

If any member of Jewish society reads this topic.

Our friend if you want you can come here and invest your money, build private hospital, open factory you are welcomed.

It is not exact, because the hatered toward Juwes was wide spreade long before Christ, in the time of Romanes. I suppose that this hatred was connected with the kinship between Jews and Phoenicians who was main foes of Romans in the peson of Carthaginian. And even erlier, Alexander III the Great granted to Jews an extraordinary benefits for Jews in his empire and this fact caused hatred against them from the Greeks (who thought they were first nation) and other nations. After that there were huge wars with Jews in the times of Ttus and Hadrian. So, Christianity only absorbed past prejudices against Jews and converted them in according with its superstitions.

Well, just wanted to ask - "Had you circumcised or not?" But after saw that you are female...Then it's ok

Sure the biological approach or Eugenics as science has its ground, but sure it cant be viewed as a basis for extermination.

You probably heard of the The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm#Table of Contents

renowned booklet about global Jewish conspiracy, which by official accounts was a forgery by the Russian secret service. Regardless to everything, what’s interesting is that majority of those things from that booklet later really started materializing, and so today, the World is in accelerated motion traveling through that what there is stated.
Also is interesting the data of national composition of soviet governing structures after the revolution in Russia, where Russians there are a negligible percent, somewhere around 1 or 2 % while the Jews, imagine, in a vast majority of some 95%. All this can sound too much or not true but these are the facts that exist and which surely say a lot.

I didn't take BABYLON'S list of names for granted (see start of this topic), so I did a little research of my own. As a half-Jew, I'd be proud to know that all those important Poles are or were Jewish. But I also know that it is an old anti-Semitic practice to label anybody one doesn't like as Jewish. I typed "Is Lech Walesa Jewish?" (1st name on the list) into GOOGLE, and sure enough, there was no entry to confirm BABYLON's claim. As a matter of fact, Walesa is known to have expressed anti-Semitic sentiments, as in the instance when he 'accused' Tadeusz Mazowiecky of being Jewish during a campaign. The same thing happened with the Jacek Kuron and T. Mazowiecki searches. The only claim that checked out was that for Adam Michnik. I just serched the first several names to confirm my own suspicions about the accuracy of the list. I encourage the other forum participants to do the search for some other names and get a first-hand lesson in the veracity of anti-Semitic scholarship.

Cuj, dzeticu, kako te nije stid lagat? Dze ti je to crnogorsko cojstvo kojim se tvoji zemljaci toliko dice? A sto ne podastres dokaze za ono sto tvrdis? Lako je nesto izvalit pa mislit da ce cijeli svijet da ti vjeruje.

Hey, Montenegro! Aren't you ashamed to lie so openly? Where is that Montenegrin humane manliness that your countrymen are so proud of? Why don't you offer some evidence for your claims? It's easy to shoot off one's mouth, but do you really think that the world will buy it?

what do you think about Israel forign policy ?

I wouldn't spent time on that. So what if someone is a Jew, half-Jew or 73.6% Jew? Polish ant-isemites often gather around an organization started by a Jew - the Roman Catholic Church. Loosers will always find a scapegoat for their own impotence and failures.

The irony is that, Poland having been a destination of Jewish immigration for centuries prior to late 19th century, some of the anti-semites here are likely to have a few drops of Jewish blood in them anyway.

Polish kings invited and encouraged Jews to come to Poland, and then consistently upheld the laws giving Jews privileges (Statute of Kalisz). When you consider that, then suddently Polish kings Boleslaus the Pious, Casimir III (Kazimierz Wielki) and Sigismund I were all Jews conspiring against Poland. It then follows that Jadwiga (Casimir's daughter )was Jewish. Hence, the first Polish university (in Cracow) was founded by a Jewess. Oh wait, as Poles we pride ourselves with having one of the oldest universities in Europe. Is it ours, or is it Jewish though?

While abhorrnt, anti-whatever has a hilarious property - it comes back to bite its own as.s.

I would die laughing at the hilarity of it too had it not caused the real deaths of countless Polish and other Jews throughout the centuries. I agree that the central irony of Catholic anti-Semitism is the fact that Jesus and the apostles were Jewish. One theory states that the prevalence of anti-Semitism, besides the Church's brainwashing about Jesus-killers, can be explained by the subliminal displeasure of the very moral dimension and a set of ethical rules that underlies Christianity, which were brought into it by Judaism. In other words, the human animal nature is constantly chafing under the constrictions of the ethical rules and is trying to find someone to blame for the tension.

You dont even know how many stereotyypes you have in your head ...

and maybe again ... What do you think about apartheid policy in Israel ?

Do you think Jews are better humans than Palestinians ? Why do you think Jews hold them in ghettos ?

ghetto walls in Israel.

where have you heard that ? in synagogue ?

Regardless of what I think of the Israeli-Palestinian question, I don't get into any kind of discussion with tendentious, prejudicial, and non-well-meaning individuals, especially when they use name-calling and subject-switching instead of arguments. You have to find another interlocutor to sling mud at.

firstly :



and when I notoced some facts :

You know what is my opinion

I think that you use WWII all the time and preset yourselve as victim, but when I see what do you do in Palestina ... I care more about African nations or Palestinias than baout Israel. As to Jews we have in Poland Jewis society it is estimated about 14 000 religous Jews and 100 000 not religous Jews. There are some politicians who have jewish origin.

Some exaples Dorn form Law and Justice (he was minister in Kaczynski's gov)

one of interviews when he says about his origin (in Polish)

http://www.pardon.pl/artykul/1170/_/1

one of leaders LiD Borowski who tolad in interview that he has jewish origin ... no body cares about that ....

But it shouws the reality in Poland

What I want to show ... when sb is trying to critizes Isreael (not all Jews) he is anti-semit what is nonsense.

As to jewish history ... all nations have some events in their history they would prefere to forget, Jews arent different, because they are the same humans.

Germans holded Jews in Ghettos and now Jews hold Palestinians in Ghettos ...all in all both of them are humans

Lukasz,

Since OBSERVER won't reply to your post about Jews as Christ-killers (and I don't blame him), let me refer you to a website that will: signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060514/news_lz1j14thering.html

By the way, instead of wasting time at this forum, get a trade of some kind, get a job, a girlfriend, and be a useful member of your community. Or, at least maybe get some basic historical information about the history of your Church.

WHAT IS HISTORY OF MY RELIGON ? personaly I m not to religous person ... ;) but what kind of propaganda is it, you tell my to dont waist my time ... so why OBSERVER waist his tme on writting anty-christian postes here




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zegota

You must be a very fast reader. Plus, you didn't comment on anything in that article I cited, which proves without any doubt that the Catholic church was officially antisemitic for some 2,000 years of its existence and only stopped being so in 1965, with the Papal declaration 'Nostra Aetate'. If you want to tell me that not all Poles or Catholics were or are anti-Semites, you're preaching to the choir. After all, the person instrumental in overturning 2,000 years of official Jew-baiting was a Catholic nun, and may she rest in everlasting peace. All the Jews know about the few Catholics who were able to overcome their indoctrination in favor of their humanity, but you are a prime example of the majority of Catholics who don't acknowledge the full humanity of the Jews and the contributions they have made to the world far in excess to their numbers. Maybe envy is one of the guiding principles of anti-Semitism too.

likewise

Poland was catholic country since X century and Jews from whole Europe were coming to Poland because it was safe place for them. And Poland is considered as very catholic country ...

And just before Germans invaded Poland in 1939 and started to kill Jews in concentration camps, the bigest European (second all over teh world) jewish society was in Poland. Why Poland ? There were so many more tolerant non catholic countries like UK or Germany (partly protestant) or Russia (ortodox) or Middle East ... Why Poland? one of the most catholic countries all over the world ? We were so rich ? Or Poland was such a peaceful place without wars ?

One of the most Catholic (antisemits) countries was the place where Jews by hundrets years were looking for safety ... oh yes ...

Miranda,

If your imperfect English 'likewise' is supposed to mean that I should do the same - I do have a college degree, a great job in America, a wife, kids, and am a useful member of my community. I stumbled upon this forum while Googling something and decided to chat for a while. This is probably the one and only time that I'll be crossing paths with you and Lukasz, but something tells me that you and he will keep spending a lot of unproductive time trying to defend something that cannot be defended.

This could be explained in this way:

- most of religious Jews were murdered by Germans, almost all the rest escaped at that time aboard or left Poland during communist period when they have such opportunity

- the same about capitalist Jews

- Zionist Jews should belong to two above mentioned group

- Majority of those who still live here are former communists or more precisely apparatchicks of the former regime. Excellent example is Mr Borowski mentioned by Lukasz, also Adam Michnik or Bronislaw Geremek. (This group also must deal with Germans before)