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Grzegorz_
  Oct 31, 07, 09:49  #31

Quoting: ConstantineK
I assure you that 70% of ukranians use in private life not ukranian but Russian language.


But It doesn't make them Russians. If that was true Ukraine now would be a part of Russia but even Yanukowich and most of his supporters don't want that.


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Oct 31, 07, 15:00  #32

Quoting: ConstantineK
Is there any problems to be a communist? Why coomunism is so critical?


Those who claim to be communists are either bandits or useful idiots like said Lenin himself. Communism never brought prosperity to any country, otherwise always turned in to ruin.

Quoting: ConstantineK
I think that it is rather differs from fashism or racism or national-socialism!

Final effect is the same. A disaster.


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lesser
  Oct 31, 07, 15:05  #33

Quoting: plk123
you sure are pushing those old wares.


We have wars in Iraq in Afghanistan and democracy was planned as far as I remember.


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joepilsudski
Edited by: joepilsudski  Nov 1, 07, 14:28  #34

I understand some of the objections about Putin being an 'authoritarian'...but it seems that what really drives much of the bad publicity for Putin is his attempt to secure Russian
natural resources (oil, gas, etc.), and keep them and the resulting profits under Russian
cpntrol...the looting of Russia by the oligharchs (who are really just fronts for the Rothschild family, the century old enemy of Russia) and also by certain interests from the
United States (including the Harvard University foundation, Al Gore (a partner of Chubais)
and various Wall Street entities) under Yeltsin demanded some strong response, otherwise Russia as a nation would be bankrupt & helpless...also, Putin's rebuilding of Russian military power as a counterbalance to US/Zionist power has made him a demon to certain interests...as far as I can see, there is a relatively free press in Russia, and the
economic lot of the average Russian has improved since Putin has been in charge...now, Putin is using gas/oil as a bargaining chip/weapon in a sense, but if Poland had enormous resources of this kind, wouldn't you be in favor of Poland doing the same thing?

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Grzegorz_
  Nov 1, 07, 15:04  #35

It depends from which perspective you are looking at things. For Poland Russia is maybe not enemy but definately unfriendly country, so obviosly there's a difference between "good for Russia" and "good for Poland". Putin is not perfect but for Russia he is a good guy, keeps the whole mess in one pieace and If I were Russian I'm sure I would support him but as a Pole I don't feel any sympathy for him.

Quoting: joepilsudski
his attempt to secure Russian
natural resources (oil, gas, etc.), and keep them and the resulting profits under Russian
cpntrol...


In some way yes but the other thing is that generally "the west" (except German politicians, who suck Putin's dick) often look at Russia through western standards. China is far less democratic than Russia, Saudi Arabia is one of the most undemocratic countries in the world but seriously no one really care about that because they are different. Russians are white, most of them live in Europe, so many think about them using western standards and that's not really correct because their culture is very much different than that of "west". They don't think about politicians like about their servants but rather want to have a "father of the nation" with his cult of personality, they don't want "liberal" democracy, they are more collectivists than individualists, their opinion about history and foreign relations is completely different.

What is completely wrong in my opinion is that "west" go crazy when they ban homo parades or do similar things but don't react strong enough when Kremlin is hostile to countries like Georgia or even Baltic states, which are members of NATO and EU.


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Gosia
  Nov 1, 07, 15:17  #36

Quoting: ConstantineK
Well, hemmm Is there any problems to be a communist? Why coomunism is so critical? I think that it is rather differs from fashism or racism or national-socialism! Orriginaly all communists wanted only one, the best life for poor peoples! Sure it was an utopia and there were too many mistakes to achive this ideal but it is not corrupted by them...Catholic chorch for example has much more sins.

well, you won't find advocators of communism in Polans. here it causes the same feelings as national-socialism. now it doesnt matter what communism was originally. it is no longer an idea, it has been a disguise for the soviet union's expansive policy which led to many people being killed and Poland being occupied for about 50 years


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joepilsudski
  Nov 1, 07, 16:17  #37

Quoting: Grzegorz_
What is completely wrong in my opinion is that "west" go crazy when they ban homo parades or do similar things but don't react strong enough when Kremlin is hostile to countries like Georgia or even Baltic states, which are members of NATO and EU.


Yes, the West does go crazy about homosexuality, because so many of the western politicos are homosexual/bisexual and don't want exposure...but as far as the policy towards the Caucasus & Baltic States, isn't Putin just reacting to the US/Zionist policy of
'encirclement' which is means exactly that?...now, yes, from what I understand, although
Russia & Poland are both Slavic, Russia still maintains a large degree of 'Orientalism' in
it's culture...my neighbor, a doctor from Poland working here in the US, and I have discussed this issue, and he told me stories about his father, who travelled extensively in
Russia during the Communist era, expressing this same sentiment...but is this gap so great that cordial relations between Poland & Russia are impossible?

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nowhere man [Guest]
  Nov 1, 07, 16:49  #38

I wonder whether surname of the president of Russia (i.e. Putin) is French originated.

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Nov 1, 07, 17:29  #39

Russia did not for no good reason place PanSlavic colors on it's flag ;)

Countries which were in chains of communism are a danger for EU because in those countries started the rebirth of nationalism. Western countries did not have that wave of nationalism in the 90's, in them is enforced denationalization ever since the end of WWII, the dominant ideas being globalization and liberalism. Many had thought that with the fall of communism the only one remaining ideology in Europe would be capitalism merged with liberalism in the shape of EU, but it's not like that as Russia got rid of the chains of communism, yet in Russia never will pass off liberalism the type of which has passed off in the West. As a nationalist, this is why Russia is a better ally then the West, not to mention a natural ally. Would you want Poland to become like Germany which is under deep occupation of a anational, multi-kulti, western ideology?


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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Nov 1, 07, 17:44  #40

Quoting: joepilsudski
Yes, the West does go crazy about homosexuality, because so many of the western politicos are homosexual/bisexual and don't want exposure...


Slavic countries are too tough a walnut to crack for the liberal pro-gay rights ideology of the decadent West. This can be clearly observed when in any Slavic country, George Soros followers attempt to organize a gay parade, it always turns out to be a bloody violent clash with many people's heads broken. This is why such manifestations in Slavic countries must be secured by special police forces, while in West European countries even politicians and meyers (i.e. in Berlin) are gays.

Belgrade Gay Parade

Belgrade Gay Parade

Belgrade Gay Parade


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joepilsudski
  Nov 1, 07, 19:14  #41

Quoting: Crnogorac
Countries which were in chains of communism are a danger for EU because in those countries started the rebirth of nationalism. Western countries did not have that wave of nationalism in the 90's, in them is enforced denationalization ever since the end of WWII, the dominant ideas being globalization and liberalism. Many had thought that with the fall of communism the only one remaining ideology in Europe would be capitalism merged with liberalism in the shape of EU, but it's not like that as Russia got rid of the chains of communism, yet in Russia never will pass off liberalism the type of which has passed off in the West. As a nationalist, this is why Russia is a better ally then the West, not to mention a natural ally. Would you want Poland to become like Germany which is under deep occupation of a anational, multi-kulti, western ideology?


This is a very intelligent, common sense post...I would support Pan-Slavism, not as an ideology as such, but as a 'world view' for Slavic people to recognize their common heritage, which is also a Christian one, and to work together to neutralize this force called 'Globalism' which is just a new name for Zio-Communism.

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ConstantineK
  Nov 2, 07, 09:19  #42

Quoting: joepilsudski
Yes, the West does go crazy about homosexuality, because so many of the western politicos are homosexual/bisexual and don't want exposure...but as far as the policy towards the Caucasus & Baltic States, isn't Putin just reacting to the US/Zionist policy of
'encirclement' which is means exactly that?...now, yes, from what I understand, although
Russia & Poland are both Slavic, Russia still maintains a large degree of 'Orientalism' in
it's culture...my neighbor, a doctor from Poland working here in the US, and I have discussed this issue, and he told me stories about his father, who travelled extensively in


There is a simple test for belonging to the Europe culture and civilization. If the nation feels that their culture is a part of the ancient Rome-Greece-Byzantine, then its ok...if not...

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Lukasz
  Nov 2, 07, 17:03  #43

fortunately liberal PO has won ...


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ConstantineK
  Nov 6, 07, 03:02  #44

Quoting: nowhere man
I wonder whether surname of the president of Russia (i.e. Putin) is French originated.


Course no!!! It is sounded on Russian as "Ways"

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Nov 6, 07, 15:26  #45

Quoting: ConstantineK


Quoting: nowhere man
I wonder whether surname of the president of Russia (i.e. Putin) is French originated.


Course no!!! It is sounded on Russian as "Ways"

agree, its not Franch

Putin definnitely can be understand (on Slavic languages) as` one who is on the road` or if you wish to upload spiritual moment, you can say `one on the path`


What comes to my mind... (please diseregard political background of this comment, its not in focus hire)... let`s just speculate about spiritual background...

Maybe, in great plan of Russian resurgent, it was with purpose. `Putin` stays in anology and is very similar with `Druid` which on archaic Slavic (Serbian) and also as we know Celtic (who were Slavs/branch of Proto Slavs, BDW) language- has meaning `one who follow the path` or `one who walk on the road` [person with hooly/spiritual mission]

DRUM - road/path
ID - from `iæi`, `ide` and mean walk/go


Anyway, i hope that Putin represent positive moment of Russian political scene and that his few mistakes aren`t sign of failure.


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plk123
  Nov 6, 07, 15:40  #46

celts were pre proto-slavs and occupied some of central europe way before our kind showed up in the region


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 6, 07, 15:47  #47

Quoting: Crow
Maybe, in great plan of Russian resurgent, it was with purpose. `Putin` stays in anology and is very similar with `Druid` which on archaic Slavic (Serbian) and also as we know Celtic (who were Slavs/branch of Proto Slavs, BDW) language- has meaning `one who follow the path` or `one who walk on the road` [person with hooly/spiritual mission]


Crow you are crazy, Putin ? path ? one who walk on the road ?


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plk123
  Nov 6, 07, 15:52  #48

i personally think it's latin.. puta. and he is too... ;) :D :D


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Nov 6, 07, 15:56  #49

Quoting: plk123
i personally think it's latin.. puta. and he is too... ;) :D :D


:) I hope you write about Putin ... as to our Serb friend I like Crow because of his pasion


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ConstantineK
  Nov 7, 07, 06:57  #50

Quoting: plk123
i personally think it's latin.. puta. and he is too... ;) :D :D


It's nice example od envy

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Polson
  Nov 7, 07, 07:05  #51

Quoting: plk123
i personally think it's latin.. puta. and he is too... ;)


Actually in French it's the same pronounciation that the word "putain" which is very 'bad' ;) That's the reason why French people say it in a Russian way...

;)


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ConstantineK
  Nov 7, 07, 07:32  #52

Quoting: Polson
Quoting: plk123
i personally think it's latin.. puta. and he is too... ;)


Actually in French it's the same pronounciation that the word "putain" which is very 'bad' ;) That's the reason why French people say it in a Russian way...


hemm, dose frenchman can pronounce surnames with accent on the first syllable? If so, it's amaizing!!!

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Krzysztof
  Nov 7, 07, 07:45  #53

Quoting: ConstantineK
dose frenchman can pronounce surnames with accent on the first syllable?

I thought they spelled it Putine to avoid the pronounciation problems with Putin-putain, am I correct?

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ConstantineK
Edited by: ConstantineK  Nov 7, 07, 08:04  #54

Quoting: Krzysztof
Quoting: ConstantineK
dose frenchman can pronounce surnames with accent on the first syllable?

I thought they spelled it Putine to avoid the pronounciation problems with Putin-putain, am I correct?


As i correctly remember it fom French rules of pronunciation, they pronounce all surnames with accent on the last syllable, for example my surname if it would be pronounced with Polson, will sounds as Kuleshov, and it will be correct, but in case with Putin, it won't be correct, becose, contrary to a French, Russian language has a floatting accent...

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Polson
  Nov 7, 07, 08:14  #55

Quoting: Krzysztof
I thought they spelled it Putine to avoid the pronounciation problems with Putin-putain, am I correct?


The "u" is like in Polish, so we don't pronounce "Putine" but more like [pootin] (pronounced in English), i think the same way as the real pronouciation (Russian) but with a difference for the stressed syllable... ;)

Quoting: ConstantineK
As i correctly remember it fom French rules of pronunciation, they pronounce all surnames with accent on the last syllable, for example my surname if it would be pronounced with Polson, will sounds as Kuleshov, and it will be correct, but in case with Putin, it won't be correct, becose, contrary to a French, Russian language has a floatting accent...


True, the accent is usually on the last syllable ;) Your surname is Kuleshov ? About French people, it depends if they make effort to try to pronounce correctly (like i do) or in a French way (i dislike)...


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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  Nov 7, 07, 08:19  #56

Quoting: Polson
About French people, it depends if they make effort to try to pronounce correctly (like i do) or in a French way (i dislike)...

English spoken with French accent sounds hilarious to me.
One of Canada's prime ministers was Jean Chretien whose first language was French. His 4th language was English, but didn't speak a 2nd or 3rd language. His accent was so funny that I never knew if he was serious or if he was just kidding.


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Polson
  Nov 7, 07, 08:29  #57

Quoting: z_darius
His 4th language was English, but didn't speak a 2nd or 3rd language


LOL good one :)

Quoting: z_darius
His accent was so funny that I never knew if he was serious or if he was just kidding


You should hear some of French people...at school or on the radio, it's quite funny too ;) Some have a good accent though, but some others really suck, it makes me laugh sometimes ;) I am not English, but i must say that sometimes it is really really funny (or really sad...it depends) LoL


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ConstantineK
Edited by: ConstantineK  Nov 7, 07, 08:30  #58

Quoting: Polson
Your surname is Kuleshov


alas

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Polson
Edited by: Polson  Nov 7, 07, 08:34  #59

Quoting: ConstantineK
Your surname is Kuleshov


alas


Hmm...i'd say...Kuleshov or Kuleshov...don't know...
I guess the pronounciation is [koo-lay-shof], approximately, right ?...
I'm sure some French people would pronouce it in a pure French way :P Like this [Kü (like the German ü)-lé-shovv (no 'f' sound but 'v'...)].......

:)


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ConstantineK
  Nov 7, 07, 08:34  #60

Quoting: Polson
Quoting: z_darius
His accent was so funny that I never knew if he was serious or if he was just kidding


You should hear some of French people...at school or on the radio, it's quite funny too ;) Some have a good accent though, but some others really suck, it makes me laugh sometimes ;) I am not English, but i must say that sometimes it is really really funny (or really sad...it depends) LoL


As for my, I preffer Anient French in Barroque Operas or in Ballets, JBLully, JPRameue, MAChapentie

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