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plk123
  Dec 7, 07, 15:25  #91

what do you have against the king of spain? he told off chavez.. someone had to.. :D :D


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 7, 07, 15:35  #92

Quoting: plk123
what do you have against the king of spain? he told off chavez.. someone had to.. :D :D

brate, we speak about `King` isn`t it? If that was me or you (if our tongue was faster then brain), it could pass but, this way. Even average gentleman would be more carefull

And after all, one Spanish King should be aware what Spaniards did to American natives.

Do you know brate, that Spaniards destroyed more then 5000 books of ancient native American history? Imagine, it was another Alexandria disaster. Imagine loss for entire humankind.

So, Spaniards just should sh** up when one Ameriacan native want to say something. Especialy Spanish `king`. I can`t even found appropriate words to describe what i think about such a king.


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plk123
  Dec 7, 07, 15:42  #93

chavez has spanish blood in him.. he's not native, per se.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 7, 07, 16:02  #94

Quoting: plk123
chavez has spanish blood in him.. he's not native, per se.

irrelevant

he is obviously still loyal to native American heritage, while Spanish King very possible has some per-cent of Moor blood and could, by analogy, be loyal to Semitic heritage


If British Princes Diana survived her adventures, it would be interesting to found what would she say on this issue


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Crow
  Dec 22, 07, 09:52  #95

TIME's Interview with Vladimir Putin

time.com/time/specials/2007/personoftheyear/article/0,28804,1690753_16 91763_1691291,00.html
time.com/time/specials/2007/printout/0,29239,1690753_1690757_1695787,0 0.html

Some of questions to Putin...

TIME: What do you think should be done in Iraq?

TIME: Let's talk about the U.S. election. Who do you think would make a good American President?

TIME: What is NATO's purpose today? If Russia were invited to join would it do so?

TIME: Do you believe in a Supreme God?

TIME: How does a lifelong KGB man raised in the Soviet Union become a believer in free markets, and is it a matter of continuing education for you?

TIME: Has your KGB training helped you as President? There's an old saying, once a spy, always a spy.

TIME: In which category would you put assassinated journalist Anna Politkovskaya?

TIME: Do you think Ukraine will ever again become part of Russia?


crazy photo ha, ha, ha, ha

... looks successful, self confident, ... It reminds me of Godfather somehow ;)

Putin Power
Posted by Richard Spencer on December 21, 2007

takimag.com/blogs/article/putin_power/


here, looks a little bit as gay


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cubic
  Dec 22, 07, 10:17  #96

TheOtherRussia.org brings this exclusive statement from opposition leader Garry Kasparov on TIME Magazine awarding its “Person of the Year” award to Vladimir Putin: Kasparov on TIME 'Person of the Year' for Putin. A quote:

Putin’s regime has crushed dissent, rigged elections, and systematically destroyed democratic institutions and civil liberties, processes that only accelerated in 2007. Despite record oil and gas prices that sent the Russian GDP skyrocketing, the vast majority of Russians outside the major capital cities have seen little or no improvement in their standard of living, largely due to runaway food prices and a decaying infrastructure. With most of the corporate and state revenues leaving Russia for western real estate and personal bank accounts, the gap between rich and poor here has reached staggering levels.



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celinski
  Dec 22, 07, 10:29  #97

I was right it's not "man of the year" it's "A*S of the year". Threatening to shoot missles at the anti missle shield if it gets installed in Poland. What a fool.


"Obviously Putin has been in the news a great deal in 2007, and it’s clear that the direction he has moved my country has been “for worse” both for Russians and for the international community." Taken from TIME


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Crow
  Dec 22, 07, 11:19  #98

cubic wrote:

TheOtherRussia.org brings this exclusive statement from opposition leader Garry Kasparov on TIME Magazine awarding its “Person of the Year” award to Vladimir Putin: Kasparov on TIME 'Person of the Year' for Putin. A quote:

Putin’s regime has crushed dissent, rigged elections, and systematically destroyed democratic institutions and civil liberties, processes that only accelerated in 2007. Despite record oil and gas prices that sent the Russian GDP skyrocketing, the vast majority of Russians outside the major capital cities have seen little or no improvement in their standard of living, largely due to runaway food prices and a decaying infrastructure. With most of the corporate and state revenues leaving Russia for western real estate and personal bank accounts, the gap between rich and poor here has reached staggering levels.

Where goes this world when biggest powers of this world aren`t democratic? Thanks to USA democracy looks like forgotten dream and Russian still don`t know what is democracy- like some elephant in shop full with glasses.

Then, when i think about France, Britain, Germany, etc... i becoming aware that after all those powers always were on the same job. They presented themselves as democratic, prosperious while in fact they are just greedy masters.

Today`s Poland, Czeska, Slovakia and Serbia are far more democratic then `Gods` which walk on Earth. But, beware! `Gods` don`t like competition. They are jealous. they already punishing Serbs. They would come after all who don`t obey!


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cubic
  Dec 22, 07, 11:25  #99

Crow wrote:
Thanks to USA democracy looks like forgotten dream

Why is that, exactly?


Crow wrote:
Then, when i think about France, Britain, Germany, etc... i becoming aware that after all those powers always were on the same job. They presented themselves as democratic, prosperious while in fact they are just greedy masters.

What do you mean by "greedy masters"?


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southern
  Dec 22, 07, 12:11  #100

Russians do not want democracy western style.It cannot work in Russia.They tried it with Yieltsin and failed miserably.Putin's government is the russian variant of democracy.He managed to bring again stability and prosperity to the country.

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celinski
  Dec 22, 07, 12:23  #101

southern wrote:
again stability and prosperity to the country.


You call threats toward Poland stability. Sorry but I don't see Putins non stop ticket as any form of democracy. It's more like "Putinocracy".
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Foreigner4
  Dec 22, 07, 12:29  #102

cubic wrote:
Thanks to USA democracy looks like forgotten dream

Why is that, exactly?


Probably because capitalism supersceded it a loooong time ago and is (or has been) being supplanted into many countries under the guise of democracy as defined by american interests. For starters anyhow, but you asked crow and not me.

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southern
  Dec 22, 07, 13:15  #103

celinski wrote:
You call threats toward Poland stability.


I call the extinction of mafia,the imprisonment of thieves oligarches and the rule of law in Chechenya stability.

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Szczery
  Dec 22, 07, 13:23  #104

Putin is a good leader and a man with some balls. Small dick politicians and brain dead liberals hate him because of this. Let him be an example to the rest of europe!

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Crow
  Dec 22, 07, 13:27  #105

things change people, things change... soon would become clear that when we say West, we speak about Slavic countries and not about western parts of Europe

celinski wrote:
Threatening to shoot missles at the anti missle shield if it gets installed in Poland. What a fool.

I would always be against inter-Slavic conflicts. In inter-Slavic conflicts Slavs are losers anyway and hostile non-Slavs profits a lot of.

I would suggest that Russia learn to use different, to say more honest, approach to Poland and in return Poland should declare neutrality on current military alliances. Also, i must say, if official Poland insist that independence from Russia mean that Poland has right to be in alliance even with enemies of Russia, Russia could insist that has right to consider Poland as problem.

You should learn to respect each others interests my Slavic brothers and sisters. Harming each others you harming all other Slavs.

Poles and Russians, don`t waste your energy on mutual conflicts but, if you have some energy in reserves and are willing to use your strength for just course- go help to Serbia, save Lusatia. Force your diplomacy to do something right. Do something for future of your children, have mercy for all our children.

Go on streets and give your message to politicians! Say them that you don`t want to take part in mutual destruction. On your fit while it isn`t too late!

southern wrote:
democracy western style.

There is no democracy of `western stile`. There is only one `stile` for powers of so called West- You obey to them and live or if you insist to have your own way, you perish.


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Wyspianska
  Dec 22, 07, 13:59  #106

ah Putin is kinda hot. maybe his stomach isn't but it's just small minus hehe


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southern
  Dec 22, 07, 14:02  #107

Wyspianska wrote:
ah Putin is kinda hot.


You see?Russian girls have better taste than polish.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Dec 22, 07, 14:12  #108

Szczery wrote:
Putin is a ... man with some balls.

Kosovo, field of black Ravens, would reveal truth about him, about all of us

Southern border must survive

cubic wrote:
cubic

interesting...



man, i just noticed your avatar

What is interesting in it is when human figure walk, for the moment it looks like SVASTIKA in move. You can also use word KOLOVRAT (also ancient Slavic word). If we then put svastika and kolovrat in correlation we are aware that we speak about human/people who follow Suns circle.

I mentioned already on this forum that on Serbian (Slavic) language svastika mean `sister in low` (sister of husband`s wife- so human figure). Word is archaic and was/is in focus of linguistic science, proved to be in line with other ancient archaic Serbian/Slavic words.

What I want to say and underline is- ancient past of Whites/Aryans can`t be understand without serious examination of Slavic linguistics and exactly that intelligentsia of so called West trying to avoid. Slavic contribution to global civilization is enormous and can`t be negated. After all, word ARIETS should mean something to you Poles- children of Sarmatia.


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cubic
  Dec 22, 07, 15:35  #109

Foreigner4 wrote:
Probably because capitalism supersceded it a loooong time ago and is (or has been) being supplanted into many countries under the guise of democracy as defined by american interests.

Democracy and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. Democracy is a form of government and a political philosophy, while is an economic system. The USA has both democracy and capitalism, to one degree or another.


Crow wrote:
What is interesting in it is when human figure walk, for the moment it looks like SVASTIKA in move.

Wow -- that's a bit tenuous!


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southern
Edited by: southern  Dec 22, 07, 15:48  #110

cubic wrote:
Democracy and capitalism are not mutually exclusive.


Capitalism can work full only under democracy.

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lesser
  Dec 22, 07, 15:55  #111

southern wrote:
Capitalism can work full only under democracy.


Only theoretically, because of the latter, capitalism is always reduced.


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southern
  Dec 22, 07, 16:15  #112

lesser wrote:
Only theoretically, because of the latter, capitalism is always reduced.


If people make decisions for themselves,market economy can work.If not,there are problems which you may try to export.

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lesser
  Dec 22, 07, 16:24  #113

southern wrote:
If not,there are problems which you may try to export.


Export? Could you elaborate?


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Crow
  Dec 22, 07, 16:58  #114

cubic wrote:

Crow wrote:
What is interesting in it is when human figure walk, for the moment it looks like SVASTIKA in move.

Wow -- that's a bit tenuous!

well I don`t insist on topic, it`s just what crossed thru my mind

southern wrote:

cubic wrote:
Democracy and capitalism are not mutually exclusive.


Capitalism can work full only under democracy.

Capitalism is very good as guaranty for competition which is essential for successful progress as we all know

We can only discuss about form of capitalism. For example, Liberal capitalism tend to take care on the first place about efficiency and to erode human aspect.

And yes, i also believe that Capitalism can give it`s maximum (provide maximum of competition) in environment of free market and democratic social structure.


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celinski
  Dec 22, 07, 20:51  #115

Crow wrote:
i also believe that Capitalism can give it`s maximum (provide maximum of competition) in environment of free market and democratic social structure.



When we get right down to it the meaning of communism, meaning community, run by the people would be what most want. It is what took place that changed the meaning of the word. I guess it really doesn't matter what we call it if it works. In the US you do not have to vote for the party you are in.

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Foreigner4
  Dec 23, 07, 01:59  #116

^you get the choice of the fire or frying pan.^
cubic wrote:
Democracy and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. Democracy is a form of government and a political philosophy, while is an economic system. The USA has both democracy and capitalism, to one degree or another.


I didn't mean to imply they were, but i suppose i should have stated that "capitalism" is typically used to define to what level democracy can exist. In the USA and i'd argue most western countries, a veil of democracy exists, but i ask you, to what extent does your system serve the people of the country equally and in what direction is that system moving? It is the process by which it is moving that capitalism is and has been supersceding democracy for a while now.

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joepilsudski
  Dec 24, 07, 11:07  #117

southern wrote:
Capitalism can work full only under democracy


Not true...you can make a buck anywhere, anytime, depending on who you know, and what you have to offer...please do not confuse yourself with words/terms like 'democracy'. 'capitalism', 'human rights', 'socialism'...we live under gangster regimes for the most part...let me quote the philosopher/poet Bob Dylan:
'Democracy don't rule the world,
You better get that through your head.
This world is ruled by violence,
But I guess that's better left unsaid...
From Broadway to the Milky Way,
That's a lot of territory indeed...
And a man's gonna do what he's got to do,
When he got a hungry mouth to feed.'

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Kaczor Duck
Edited by: Kaczor Duck  Dec 24, 07, 11:13  #118

joepilsudski wrote:
meaningful dialogue/relation with him?...what is your opinion?


Well if you disagree with him you'll loose your oil company, be put in jail, if you protest against him just before an election you'll be put in jail.
He reminds me of American Liberals, yeah we can have dialoge with them as long as we agree on their views....Wake up my friend...USSR is back!! Have you not seen the masses of troops on their borders?? Have you not seen their slow and methodical way they are slowly taking back what they lost?? History always repeats itself...Do not trust a slick snake oil salesman. Its all about perception, and in Russia they are buying it, and so is alot of those who like suppression.
joepilsudski wrote:
unreliability of the West when it comes to Polish national interests


Sorry I can't resist....RONALD REAGAN??????, POPE JOHN PAUL????????
1989????? Or would you rather Reagan not interfer and you still be speaking Russian in school and armed men in the streets and just Wadka on the shelves????

Again perfect reason why its important to not forget the past sins!!


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joepilsudski
  Dec 24, 07, 11:38  #119

Kaczor Duck wrote:
Well if you disagree with him you'll loose your oil company, be put in jail, if you protest against him just before an election you'll be put in jail.
He reminds me of American Liberals, yeah we can have dialoge with them as long as we agree on their views....Wake up my friend...USSR is back!! Have you not seen the masses of troops on their borders?? Have you not seen their slow and methodical way they are slowly taking back what they lost?? History always repeats itself...Do not trust a slick snake oil salesman. Its all about perception, and in Russia they are buying it, and so is alot of those who like suppression


But it was OK when the 'oligharchs' were buying all the businesses, oil and otherwise at
pennies on the dollar, and then taking all the money and putting it in offshore front companies and banks?...it was OK when the Russian people were reduced to penury because all there social services and jobs were lost due to 'shock therapy'?...please, wake up, because you are dreaming...I compare Putin to Iosef Pilsudski...he is trying to
restore Russia to the Russians, as opposed to letting it be controlled by 'foreign' elements...he also has supported and strengthened the Russian Orthodox Church.

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southern
  Dec 24, 07, 11:54  #120

Putin brought stability and economic growth to Russia.Now there are no mafia leaders controlling economy,no oligarchs controlling firms of national importance and Russia can sell its natural resources the way it wants.There is no war in Chechnya cause nobody can supply the mujachedins with guns and army effectivity is increased.
When Putin took over in 1999,the average wage in Federal Republic was 85$ a month.Now it stands at 550$ a month.The GDP reached and surpassed this of Soviet Union era one year ago.He managed to pay all debts,so now Russia has a surplass.Growing stronger everyday,who can undermine Putin's popularity?

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