POLISH PEOPLE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND MURDERED BY ITALIANS

The Polish daily Nasz Dziennik reports that on March 27, at a school in a small town SELLIA MARINA, Catanzaro province, in southern Italy, a 13-year-old Polish girl tried to kill herself by jumping out the second storey window. She was upset by aggressive remarks about her from both the female teacher and students. The Italian agency ANSA reports that after hearing a critical remark about her from a female teacher, the girl rose up, went up to the window, opened it and jumped out. Fortunately, she fell down on the grass below and 'only' got seriously hurt. She is staying in a hospital in Puliera (?), Catanzaro. Her life is not in danger, but the doctors have been concerned about her backbone. The girl and her parents have lived in Italy for several years. Also, two weeks ago, the staff in an Italian hospital dumped outside the hospital building a Polish man lying on the stretcher. He had a severe case of pneumonia. The staff explained they did not want the man to dirty the hospital waiting-room. The man was left unattended outside the building for 18 (eighteen) hours, until he died. The Polish embassy in Rome has expressed concern over the recent increase in the deaths of Polish citizens in Italy.

See: naszdziennik.pl/index.php?typ=sw&dat=20070331&id=sw12.txt


Well, I know about the cases of Polish people being used as slave labourers on Italian farms. But there have also been cases of Polish migrant workers being murdered by the Italians.

For instance, Ms Drzyzga in her (Polish) TV program Rozmowy w toku (Ongoing Chats) hosted - if I remember it right - two young Polish men, fresh back from Italy. They had gone to Italy, along with their father, in search of employment. At one point, they had been arrested by Italian cops, without any clear reason, and put in jail. The sons were kept in a cell that was adjacent to that of their father. They could hear through the wall their father being brutally beaten by the Italian cops; they could hear his screams and groans. The next day they were let out and told by the Italian cops that their father had 'killed himself' while attempting to escape.

This case, as well as the most recent case of the unsuccessful teenage suicide and the other cases of the Italian Polonophobia I have mentioned (and the numerous cases I haven't mentioned), seem to point to a very strong feeling of hatred in the Italian population towards the Polish people. Where does this hatred come from?

Of course, if one wants to answer this question, one has to have a look at the way the Italian media have depicted Poland and the Poles. I must say that, generally, the Italian media have been depicting my nation and my parent country in a very negative manner. For instance, on March 3, the Italian leading daily Corriere della Sera alleged that 'in the recent months, [the Polish government] hasn't missed any opportunity to offend its powerful neighbour [i.e. Germany], even though Angela Merkel has done anything possible to show friendship and goodwill.' (The Italian hack doesn't give even one piece of evidence of the Polish government's alleged anti-German offenses.) '[A]nty-German rhetoric has been instigated at the highest circles [in Poland]... [Its] result, probably intended, has been the enormous hostility of the Polish public towards the Germans.' (Again, no evidence to back this accusation. By the way, it is true that the Germans aren't liked in Poland, but not because of the Kaczynski government's alleged anti-German rhetoric. ) The hack mentions with outrage the photo of Merkel dressed up as Hitler on the cover of the Najwyzszy Czas magazine (but doesn't mention the earlier President Kaczynski photo, with a potato in place of the head, on the cover of a German tabloid).

The Italian hacks have also scribbled extremely condemningly about the 'lustration' in Poland (would they condemn as hatefully the attempts to get rid of the mafia from the Italian politics and media?)

And on March 22, the Italian news agancy ANSA referred to Auschwitz as 'the Polish death camp.'

So, it appears, it's the Italian media that have been methodically setting the Italian public against the Polish people. (In fact, it seems that in any case of irrational mass hatred, it's the media, or rather the psychopaths operating them, that are to blame. Take for instance the American anti-Iraq hysteria after the so-called 9/11; take the New York Times psychopaths, eg. Safire's, hateful war-mongering. Also, take the Polonophobic coverage in the Daily Mail and similar rags in England. )

But not only that. It seems that savage fascism has been simmering strong underneath the Italian mamma-mia-capuccino facade. It has been there since Il Duce's times, even though, since after WWII, it has taken on numerous disguises, such as the communist one. Yes, the Italian communists (and 'liberals,' and clergy, and the media hacks, and countless others) seem to be fascists at heart. But in the case of communism anywhere, its methods of power-wielding are identical as those of fascism. Communism is, in fact, fascism, and vice versa. The only difference between the two lies in the way they express themselves. For instance, fascism openly allows and extolls a racial superiority of a given group, whereas communism argues that all are equal, punishes severly for not agreeing with this, but actually practices tacitly the superiority of one group over others, for instance the Russians in communist Russia over all the other nationalities. In short, communism is more hypocritical, Machiavellian, and demagogic than fascism.

The Italian fascist leader Mussolini called communism 'Slavic fascism.'

And so, it seems, it is also the inherent Italian fascism that underlies the Italian extreme contempt for and brutal treatment of the poor Polish folk looking for work in Italy. Add to this the recent pro-Russki cackling by Prodi during Putin's visit to Italy, and blaming Poland by Italian hacks for the crisis in the relations EU-Russia.

I have met Polish people living in France and Switzerland, who complained that they had been harassed by the Italian immigrants much worse than by the French and Swiss locals. My own experiences with the individuals of Italian origin in America were mostly unpleasant, but I must admit that I have a great distaste for Italian culture.

I have always had it. I have never liked the kitschy Leonardo, nor the nauseating sugary Raphael, nor the corpse-like Michelangelo, nor the horrible Italian music ( especially Verdi), nor Dante. Oh, the latter is a bad writer, and I wonder why his La Divina Commedia is considered such a great European masterpiece? What a monstruous, boring, trumped-up trash is that. I have never understood Stendhal's enthusiasm for Italy and his contempt for his native France. But Stendhal admired the pre-unification Italians, so, maybe, after Italy united, the Italian national character changed drastically? And I remember Mary Wollenscroft, the great English poet Shelley's wife's, scathing remarks about the Italian population in the area where she and Shelley lived. Yes, Shelley or Byron lived in Italy not because of the lovely Italians, but of the lovely Roman ruins. And judging from Mary Shelley's remarks, they might have lived there in spite of the Italians. And so would I, I must admit. I have visited tens of countries, but I have never been to Italy. I love Grecian and Roman culture, and I'd love to see the remnants of ancient Rome, but perhaps not when there are Italians there? And especially not now, when my Polish brothers and sisters are discriminated against and murdered with impunity by the Italians .

Isn't the mobbing of the Polish girl by the cowardly teenage wops and their teacher abominable? How terribly they must have tormented her that she decided to kill herself ! I would like to know the name of the female teacher and see the faces of her students from the town of SELLIA MARINA, Catanzaro province, in southern Italy. Nie zapomnimy i nie wybaczymy.

And the "funniest" thing is that Italians are one of the most liked nations by Poles. It's time to change that.

Grzegorz, yes, it's time to change that, and fast. And not just with the wops.

too much pasta adles the brain... well known fact...

Forget the WOPS. Southern italians are the trash if italy. The comparison between northern italians and southern/sicilians is night and day. Southern wops are what I like to call arabs. They even look semetic for the most part.

Doesn't WOP mean WithOut Papers? I'd think thats term would be for the Italian Americans. I know this. The Italiians inthe UK that hire PL girls are often trying to get sexual favours or else the girls are fired. Not so nice people.

very true. it quiet clear here that racism is not the answer! that girl tried killed herself and nearly did according to this.

and reactionary rascism is not the answer.

Its a complicated situation as it is in each case. ask the girl what she wants and id wager it would not be to cause a 'fuss'

I would hope we could punish rascist's (through the civil laws) and educate our children proper tolerance towards others.

tragic story and important to be told and heard. good post.

Wow, Sedzia, so the wop hacks who are resposnsible for the hate atmosphere are all southern wops and Arab-like? Hm, on the other hand, some of them may look 'Semitic,' as, from what I hear, there are quite a few Jewish folks prominent in the Italian media.... but it's not what you mean, Sedzia, is it?

By the way, there was an incident when a Polish woman was 'treated' in a hospital in Rome just as the Polish man with pneumonia (may he rest in peace). Now does Rome lie in southern Italy? Is Corriere della Sera a Southern wop rag? It's published in Milano....

Daffy, so you scoff at my alleged 'racism,' but agree with the view that southern wops are generally much worse than the northern uns? See what little thoughtless and rash butthead you are (only on occasion, I hope)? It would be good for you, I think, if you kept quiet at times when those who are wiser and more experienced (and perhaps older), than you talk. This way you could learn something. I'll deal with the rest of your arrogant and PC reply to me a little later, as I've got to go out now.

Funny how one can assume someones experience without knowing them

great innit?

i mean... i know better than most people and i never even met them...

funny old world, eh?

Yeah funny... me too

They've always been nice to me. I remember living in NYC there was a gang member named Giuseppi about 20-30ish and I was 12. He was nice to us Puertoricans.

I don't understand why they treated this little girl like this. Italians are quite tolerable people. Why do they hate Poles so much? I don't understand why? Is it a racial thing? There are many white Italians, no? I never realized the level of animosity between different European groups. This is alien to me of course. Honestly I thought Europeans were not so divided. This hatred is scary.

i dont scoff and NEVER have scoffed at racism! i honestly feel you misinterpret my english here.
I geniunly appreciated your posting this article!

I oppose racism in its ugly form!

So i would ask you to clarify with me rather than assume i mean the worst (i never do, if i did, id be very clear about it)

i said i dont agree with what happened to the girl!!! are you blind?

"They've always been nice to me. I remember living in NYC there was a gang member named Giuseppi about 20-30ish and I was 12. He was nice to us Puertoricans."

Yes but we are talking of italians from italy. I have no doubt there are nicer people in the USA. But as I was saying northern italians seem to be nicer people.

[quote=daffy] i dont scoff and NEVER have scoffed at racism! i honestly feel you misinterpret my english here.
I geniunly appreciated your posting this article!

I oppose racism in its ugly form!

So i would ask you to clarify with me rather than assume i mean the worst (i never do, if i did, id be very clear about it)

i said i dont agree with what happened to the girl!!! are you blind?

well said Bro

dziekuje bardzo!

I would not put all Italians in the same basket. When I came to this country I worked as a waitress at Sicilian Restaurant. The owners were Sicilians.They were the nicest people to work for. The restaurant still exists and "the kids" took over.
And, no they did not look like arabs.

at the end of the day your from a frakkin 3rd world country stay there.we dont want you

Hello, 'BNP' idiots. (Whoever 'you' are, you don't seem to be great spellers at the least.) Re: 'we dont want you' [sic]. So 'you' also speak for Italy? So for 'you' Poland is a third world country? Why? Is that what the Daily Mail psychos put in your empty conks? Is that true that the BNP accepts as members folks from Africa, but denies membership to the Poles? PS. To intelligent participants (not 'BNP'). I know I scribble out of topic here. But the voice of this cretin seems to add to the context of the issue of Italian racism towards the Poles. - Polonophobia seems to be a universal European phenomenon, and even, to a certain extent, a world phenomenon. Those who are responsible for it are predominantly media hacks, and, of course, their owners.

How nice that it's the beginning of the day now here. Now I’m scared what will the evening bring.

Puzzler, I just recently read about Ukrainian labor camps here in Poland. The standard of living and working there was comparable to those polish camps in Italy. I'm sure if I would try I could gather some information about mistreating our eastern neighbors by our boarder guards, police, etc...Does that mean that the whole polish nation hates Ukrainians? Let us not jump into conclusions so quickly, ok?

Hm, Matyja, so your point is that because the Poles allegedly mistreat Ukrainians, then the Poles should not complain about the Italian mistreatment of the Poles? Yes, I'd like to hear about this alleged mistreatment of the Ukrainians by Polish 'boarder guards,' 'police,' and those camp operators just as well. So Uks are beaten, deprived of food, passports, human habitation, mobbed against and killed, as Poles are in Italy? Give the pertinent facts - hard facts, please, Maczus, oh thou crownless eagle. An internet reference to a medium would suffice. By the way, where did you get the news from on the alleged Polish labor camps for the Uks? From Michnik's Gazeta Wyborcza, or from any other of the numerous Polonophobic, even though Polish-language, propaganda entities based in Poland? PS. Do you happen to be of Uk extraction by any chance, Maczus?

Oh, and one more thing. In Italy there's incomparably more acceptance for the actual Thirld World folks (Africans, Asiatics, etc.) than for the Poles. Of course, it is so because the Italian hacks depict the Thirld world folks more positively than they do the Poles. The hacks frequently defend The Thirlsworlders against any real or imagined abuses, and they never defend the Poles. The Italian public thus learns Polonophobia from the Italian media. If the suicide girl were , say, an African, or a Jewess, not only the wop media, but the world media would shake with outrage. Yes, all the mass attitudes - any mass attitudes at all - come from the media brainwashing.

Yup. Italians seem to have it in for us, poor Poles. The lady didn't answer my email.

Not exactly. My point is that just because such labor camps exist doesn’t mean that Poles in general are ukrainophobic.





The Uk's are not being paid, work a dozen or so hours a day, if refuse to work are being beaten, are deprived of human habitation... Is that enough? The source is "Wprost" from 25th march 2007, page 38.



Not that I know anything about it. And please, call me Maciuś or Maciek.

Matt, do you suggest that the fact that the Poles aren't 'in general ukrainophobic' means that the Italians aren't 'in general' Polonophobic? If yes, how would you prove it's true?

I checked out the Wprost archives on the internet; there's no article in them on the alleged Polish anti-Ukrainian abuses. I found a mention on the internet that the Ukrainians ACCUSE Poles of organizing labour camps for them, but there's no actual article.

And the Ukrainians, and numerous others, e.g. the Germans, the Russians (sic!), the Chechen refugees, etc. have been accusing the Poles of many alleged terrible deeds. Only they have never proved those deeds have actually happened.

But you, Matt, state as an established fact that there actually EXIST anti-Ukrainian 'labor camps' in Poland, don't you? Give evidence of them.

There's no mention about these alleged camps even in such a Polonophobic and pro-Ukrainian rag as the Gazeta Wyborcza. And every wise and truth-loving Pole knows that if the slightest hurt happened in Poland to the 'Ukrainian minority' or Ukrainians in general, this newspaper (called by some 'the Jewish newspaper for the Poles') would raise Cain. But the Gazeta Wyborcza has kept silent on the subject of the alleged anti-Ukrainian abuses.

So did you make up the story about the ALLEGED 'labor camps' (what a dreadful term!) for the Ukrainians in Poland? Are you babbling about them in this thread (devoted to Italian abuses against the Poles) in order to shut me up when I talk about the ACTUAL and PROVEN Italian abuses against the Polish migrant workers? Do you want to shock the other participants and show that you're so much smarter than me? The well-known slef-destructive competitive attitude from a little 'polaczek'? One with a low self-esteem and greedy for recognition? Are you such a compulsive liar, desperate for recognition at any cost, Matt? Why did you stick your pseudo-revelation into this thread; why didn't you open a new topic on the alleged anti-Ukrainian abuses by the Poles?

Isn't your revelation about the alleged labour camps for Ukrainians of the same factual value as the revelation about the alleged abuses against some Polish migrants in England? Not long ago, the Polish press published an anonymous letter, found, allegedly, in a parcel sent to Poland form England, which contained a desperate cry for help for Polish migrants stranded and treated inhumanely in an English factory. An outcry followed, and an investigation, also by the police in England. No evidence of abuse was found, and, Matt, the English police aren't like the corrupt wop coppers; one can fully trust their expertise.

So, Matt, the Italian abuses against the Polish migrants remain an established fact, whereas your alleged Polish abuses against the Ukrainians have been, so far, in the realm of fiction.

And there's a strong chance of your being the usual compulsive liar. There are scores of them, on the internet and outside it.

Read how Poles were beaten with metal rods, how they were raped and attacked by dogs, on south of Italy...


Polish Slave Laborers Freed by Italian Police; Traffickers Held

bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=axhjGYBfJM6M&refer=europe

yeah... the sad thing is, it seems some poles are quite happy to sell other poles into slavery..

Bubba, I wonder if the hacks' focusing on the Polish (and also Ukrainian) participants in the affair isn't way too excessive and isn't done in order to protect and defend the main culprits - greedy Italian farmers and their buddies in the Italian authorities and police? I sense a tendency in the American and other hack reports to blame the 'Eastern Europeans' and whitewash the Italians. The latter are supposed to be, after all, the superior 'westerners,' whereas the Poles aren't and can never be 'westerners' (whatever the term 'West' means, and it doesn't seem to mean anything rational). By the way, isn't the concept of West and East in Europe a racial one?