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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 13:18  #151

EbonyandBathory:
A war in which the enemy was racism.


Ooooooooh puleeese:

What happened only 1963???
And don't tell me the US did give a sh'i about the Jews as they entered the war....

That war was about EVERYTHING but racism, it was about the future breakup of Europe and the world, the future spheres of influences, who would get what.
The British Empire and the US couldn't allow a such potent rival run amok and squeezing them out...not to forget that nobody knew if Hitler wouldn't make it over the pond in the end.
A lot was at stake...human rights or the jews in the Ghettos interested nobody!

racism


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EbonyandBathory
  May 2, 08, 15:06  #152

Bratwurst Boy:
What happened only 1963???


I'm not sure I understand that.

Yes, I oversimplify a very complicated war when I say that the sole enemy was racism. However, you are just as guilty when you say it had nothing to do with racism. Case in point, the image you so callously try to throw in my face represents a segment of segregation that existed officially in America for hundred years, AND that system wasn't challenged until Blacks came back from the war and realized that while they were risking their lives fighting racism in Europe they were neck deep in it at home. Besides, I've already conceded that America is a racist nation. The image you produced is the product of it. However that racism is a byproduct of diversity, diversity that contributed beyond words to culture, politics, economy. I'm not here to judge societies by their worst attributes. Nor am I here to excuse societies because of their best attributes. But the fact of the matter is that diversity and multiculturalism have created great things.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 15:18  #153

EbonyandBathory:
Case in point, the image you so callously try to throw in my face represents a segment of segregation that existed officially in America for hundred years, AND that system wasn't challenged until Blacks came back from the war and realized that while they were risking their lives fighting racism in Europe they were neck deep in it at home. Besides, I've already conceded that America is a racist nation.


Agreed!
And I don't understand how you can say this war was against racism if one of the main players was also
deeply racist openly till far after the wars end?
(And still is as you said)

Tell me...would Washington have been able to motivate the country to go to war for...say...to free the poor blacks of Europe???

EbonyandBathory:
racism is a byproduct of diversity


I fully agree!

EbonyandBathory:
But the fact of the matter is that diversity and multiculturalism have created great things.


Pray tell...what great things have the Turks in Berlin added to the german society?


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:20  #154

Kebabs


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 2, 08, 15:22  #155

Seanus:
Kebabs


Okay...I'll give you that...the Döner was an invention of Berlin Turks...great! What else?


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:22  #156

A different language


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 2, 08, 15:26  #157

Seanus:
A different language


And that is positive how?


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:27  #158

It brings diversity


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 15:28  #159

Seanus:
It brings diversity


???

We can live very well without that, thanks!
If we need some turkish we could get a dose making
holiday there if we want to..


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EbonyandBathory
  May 2, 08, 15:29  #160

Coffee, flight, numbers, the mechanical clock, the water closet. Leukemia treatments are mostly Turkish in origin. Also submarine technology originated in Turkey. Also Turks heavily influenced Europe and Germany's classical music including Mozart and Beethoven.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 15:29  #161

Not in Berlin, sorry!

You see?

PS: "flight"??? The turks invented flight???
PPS: "numbers"??? The turks invented the numbers???
PPS: "submarines"??? The turks invented submarines???

Do you have some links for that???

Google said something else:

The first submersible with reliable information on its construction was built in 1620 by Cornelius Jacobszoon Drebbel, a Dutchman in the service of James I of England.


for flight: URL

We have Leonardo da Vinci, the Mongolfiers, George Cayley, Otto Lilienthal, Brothers Wright...but no turks!


It is speculated that the first known use of numbers dates back to around 30000 BC, bones or other artifacts have been discovered with marks cut into them which are often considered tally marks. The use of these tally marks have been suggested to be anything from counting elapsed time, such as numbers of days, or keeping records of amounts.

Tallying systems have no concept of place-value (such as in the currently used decimal notation), which limit its representation of large numbers and as such is often considered that this is the first kind of abstract system that would be used, and could be considered a Numeral System.

The first known system with place-value was the Mesopotamian base 60 system (ca. 3400 BC) and the earliest known base 10 system dates to 3100 BC in Egypt. [1]


for the water closet:

# circa 30th century BC: A primitive dual channel, fresh water and waste, toilet system was in use in the houses at Skara Brae, Orkney, Scotland
# circa 26th century BC: Flush toilets were first used in the Indus Valley Civilization. The cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro had a flush toilet in almost every house, attached to a sophisticated sewage system. [1]
# circa 18th century BC: Flush toilet constructed at Knossos on Minoan Crete[2]
# circa 15th century BC: Flush toilets used in the Minoan city of Akrotiri.
# 1st to 5th centuries AD: Flush toilets were used throughout the Roman Empire. Some examples include those at Vindolanda on Hadrian's Wall in Britain. With the fall of the Roman Empire, the technology was lost in the West.
# 1596: Sir John Harington is said to have invented 'The Ajax', a forerunner to the modern flush toilet, for Elizabeth I of England, who wouldn't use the contraption because it made too much noise. His design was ridiculed in England, but was adopted in France under the name Angrez. The design had a flush valve to let water out of the tank, and a wash-down design to empty the bowl.
# 1738: A valve-type flush toilet was invented by J. F. Brondel.


- no turks either

Coffee is also not a turkish invention...it didn't even grow there to begin with!
But the mechanical clock is a turkish invention...

For the taste of european musicians I don't know...


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:29  #162

U can live with it too


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 2, 08, 15:33  #163

Seanus:
U can live with it too


I try to avoid it...


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:35  #164

But it may come 2 u


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 2, 08, 15:41  #165

Seanus:
But it may come 2 u


Why the hell should it???


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:42  #166

Why the hell shouldn't it?


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 2, 08, 15:45  #167

It's a crap language to begin with and bad for the ears...


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EbonyandBathory
  May 2, 08, 15:50  #168

Flight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezarfen_Ahmet_Celebi

The number zero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi

Submarine (I should have qualified) Turks were the first to use torpedos on submarines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine#Early_history_of_submarines_and _the_first_submersibles

"Nordenfelt then built Nordenfelt II (Abdülhamid) in 1886 and Nordenfelt III (Abdülmecid) in 1887, a pair of 30 metre (100 ft) submarines with twin torpedo tubes, for the Ottoman navy. Abdülhamid became the first submarine in history to fire a torpedo submerged."

It's actually one of the few time in history in which white people AREN'T the inventers of some kind of destructive force.


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Seanus
  May 2, 08, 15:50  #169

And the German language is the people's favourite?


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EbonyandBathory
  May 2, 08, 15:51  #170

Bratwurst Boy:


It's a crap language to begin with and bad for the ears...


Now that's the pot calling the kettle black just a little isn't, Germany?


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 15:59  #171

The german language rocks!

EbonyandBathory:
Flight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezarfen_Ahmet_Celebi

The number zero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khwarizmi

Submarine (I should have qualified) Turks were the first to use torpedos on submarines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine#Early_history_of_submarines_and _the_first_submersibles



See...nobody knows about this ottoman flier so..frankly...there is something smelly!

And neither did the Turks invent the submarines nor the numbers...so?

It's the same with Panzers...the germans took the idea and run with it, from the Tiger to the Leopard - german Panzers are the best. Still, the first idea was a british one...


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tornado2007
  May 2, 08, 16:04  #172

Bratwurst Boy:

The german language rocks!

your kidding right, i've never heard a worse spoken language, so serious, so offical and army like 100% of the time, sounds like you have to stand up straight lift your head up high just to speak a few words. Gerry needs to relax a bit more and take it easy, maybe find a sense of humour too :)


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EbonyandBathory
Edited by: EbonyandBathory  May 2, 08, 16:07  #173

Bratwurst Boy:
It's the same with Panzers...the germans took the idea and run with it, from the Tiger to the Leopard - german Panzers are the best. Still, the first idea was a british one...


Two different cultural groups working for a better product? I though you were against diversity.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 16:08  #174

tornado2007:
your kidding right, i've never heard a worse spoken language, so serious, so offical and army like 100% of the time, sounds like you have to stand up straight lift your head up high just to speak a few words. Gerry needs to relax a bit more and take it easy, maybe find a sense of humour too :)


You are just looking for cheap shots in an argument...

Mark Twain:

...There are some German words which are singularly and powerfully effective. For instance, those which describe lowly, peaceful, and affectionate home life; those which deal with love, in any and all forms, from mere kindly feeling and honest good will toward the passing stranger, clear up to courtship; those which deal with outdoor Nature, in its softest and loveliest aspects -- with meadows and forests, and birds and flowers, the fragrance and sunshine of summer, and the moonlight of peaceful winter nights; in a word, those which deal with any and all forms of rest, repose, and peace; those also which deal with the creatures and marvels of fairyland; and lastly and chiefly, in those words which express pathos, is the language surpassingly rich and affective. There are German songs which can make a stranger to the language cry. That shows that the sound of the words is correct -- it interprets the meanings with truth and with exactness; and so the ear is informed, and through the ear, the heart....



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tornado2007
  May 2, 08, 16:09  #175

Bratwurst Boy:

You are just looking for cheap shots in an argument...

no i don't care what argument your having with others, i couldn't care less, i'm just expressing my veiw that the German language sounds horrible. Thats that


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 16:10  #176

EbonyandBathory:
two different cultural groups working for a better product? I though you were against diversity.


Erm...different cultural groups??? The ENGLISH???
The ANGLO-SAXONS??? They even speak a german dialect for f*** sake!!!

How is your knowledge about european history I now have to ask?


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Jova
  May 2, 08, 16:16  #177

tornado2007:
i've never heard a worse spoken language, so serious, so offical and army like 100% of the time, sounds like you have to stand up straight lift your head up high just to speak a few words

I couldn't agree more!
Love songs in German sound hilarious :D


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southern
  May 2, 08, 16:19  #178

EbonyandBathory:
Coffee


Yes,the Turks invented it in Brazil.

EbonyandBathory:
Flight


As it is widely known Muhammad the Conqueror had feathers so he could fly.

EbonyandBathory:
numbers


That is why they are called arabic numbers.Before the Turks came nobody could measure anything because they did not know the numbers.Even classical Greeks had no idea what the numbers were and wrote simply one,two,three,forty,forty five etc.

EbonyandBathory:
the mechanical clock,


After they invented it,they gave the secret to Swiss to produce better one.The Sultan did not care since he had always a watch on his hand.

EbonyandBathory:
Leukemia


Turks invented leukemia?This is likely.

EbonyandBathory:
Also submarine technology originated in Turkey


Yes,the Turks invented submarines to eat their Doners quietly under the water.They used it also to peep the women swimming over the sea without being noticed.

EbonyandBathory:
Also Turks heavily influenced Europe


Moustache everywhere.

EbonyandBathory:
and Germany's classical music including Mozart and Beethoven.


Yes,Mozart wore a head scarf and Beethoven ate a Doner everyday to get inspiration.Both also used to dance belly dances.

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 2, 08, 16:20  #179

Jova:
Love songs in German sound hilarious :D



Says a Pole! *rolls eyes*
At least we have some vowels to avoid spitting....:)


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tornado2007
  May 2, 08, 16:22  #180

Bratwurst Boy:

Says a Pole! *rolls eyes*
At least we have some vowels to avoid spitting....:)

wow popping shots all over the place here aren't you, have you found your grandads Luger :)


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