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Polson
  May 3, 08, 09:42  #241

lesser:
Global warming :))

Haha, well, global warming doesn't only concern France...
Imagine the 2035 Poland football team :

Goalkeeper

Momowski

Defenders

Niangczak
N'Djamenowski
Ahmedczyk
Lee Tanganiak

Midfielders

Rudolwski (black man from sunny Germany)
Bubakarowicz
Andres de Diazki
Nowak (yeah, a "normal" Pole ^^)

Attackers

Geraldinhowski (former Brazilian citizen, chose Poland cuz Brasil was a bit too cold..)
Molotov (both parents are from Bulgaria)

Don't forget the coach : Sir Carlos Firenzia de Alves Anderssonovitch Tao (of English-Spanish-Italian-Argentinian-Swedish-Belarusian-Korean descent.......)

2034 World Cup is ours !! ;P


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ArcticPaul
  May 3, 08, 09:44  #242

To say a person of colour is not really French (or British or German) is pure ignorance!

If a person is born and raised in a country he is a product of that country.
Culture is learned NOT genetic.

As for Turks v Greeks.... In my experience most Turks are friendly and curious to learn.
Maybe fourth generation german Turks are just sick of not being accepted as Germans?
I know many European Muslims feel 'between' cultures.
Too western for their ancestral homelands,
too exotic (dark) for the countries they try to live in.

One race, the human race.
Stop looking for differences and start accepting the similarities.

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 3, 08, 10:18  #243

ArcticPaul:
To say a person of colour is not really French (or British or German) is pure ignorance!


In Germany we have that problem that our society never really knew a distinction between being of german ethnicity and citizen of Germany.
But times have changed!

Saying a colored human is German as in "of german ethnicity" is wrong, but it is of course possible for him to become a citizen of Germany, the state.

ArcticPaul:
If a person is born and raised in a country he is a product of that country.


NOT if they are raised in a "parallel society", living only in their ghettos, speaking only
their language between each other...having barely contact with the "outside" - the host country around them.
In Germany we have those...

ArcticPaul:
Maybe fourth generation german Turks are just sick of not being accepted as Germans?


Okay....now we have this situation:

1.) Many Germans are never going to accept these foreigners - regardless the long and heavy pressure of multikulti politicians and media!

2.) Many foreigners are unwilling to assimilate and to integrate even in the third generation born and raised in Germany

So...what do you advise???


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z_darius
  May 3, 08, 10:20  #244

Bratwurst Boy:

In Germany we have that problem that our society never knew really a distinction between being of german ethnicity and citizen of Germany.

ahem...
so what the whole Übermensch thing was about?


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 3, 08, 10:27  #245

z_darius:
so what the whole Übermensch thing was about?


???


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osiol
  May 3, 08, 10:33  #246

You have to get past the Überesel first.

Is that the correct terminology?


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 3, 08, 10:42  #247

Why??? I like Überesel...Überesel rock!


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z_darius
  May 3, 08, 10:58  #248

Bratwurst Boy:
???

I thought Germans were working hard to define what German meant. Heck, they even measured sizes of noses and ear lobes at one time.


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BubbaWoo
  May 3, 08, 11:00  #249

z_darius:
they even measured sizes of noses


which must surely be to prove they are not polish, no?

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Crnogorac
  May 3, 08, 11:06  #250

capellanna:


Not everything is so bad. The most basic slimy amateur work on the level of the most woeful surrealistic propaganda of some village home of culture from 1948.
These kinds of miserable unskillful scribbled peasant b/s only reveal all intellectual poverty of the author.

More interesting then everything is that all these fiery supporters of "multiculturalism" and "diversity" cannot see where these processes which they so wish for, lead. And they lead to abolishment of any types of diversity. In submerging humanity in one disfigured mass of people to which it is impossible to ascertain either race, either gender. Turning people into a mass of caricatures the type of Michael Jackson. Zombies without any sense of feeling of belonging, without individuality which manifests itself also through gender, skin color, different beliefs.

All of their "diversity" is derived in one big "melting pot" in which all diversity is merged in one aformic mass, in reality the same singular entities. Physical and intellectual clones. Without any individuality and diversity. Often does this concept remind me of the Borg collective from "Star Trek". Assimilation of different cultures, races and individuals and turning them into workers in the service of some collective. In this case this collective they call humanity.

They forget that this same humanity developed in many directions. Race, culture, nation, religion. And that this diversity contributed that precisely through it's mutual competition, whole humanity develops and advances. Of course that this advancement brought also victims, but what the authors and masters of "diversity" wish to accomplish is turning people into equal and lobotomized consumers, how of their products, so of their ideas. And in that way attain and keep hold of their power over all people. Regardless of race, gender, nation or religion. And that will in its finalization bring decadence, internal rotting and disaster for all, and not only of our race and culture.

At that, neither to themselves, (those wannabe "masters" of the world) race or nation, religion or gender are not important. What is only important to them is power, profit and wealth. We cannot only talk about Jews (even though they are overly represented) but also of others, unfortunately of many Aryans. Those people from the shadows who sit in administration boards of the most powerful, financial, media, industrial corporations, in state and international institutions, (like what NATO is, in which soldiers in reality are only servants of those slimy figures in gray suits) are the real danger. And they are that which is truly disgusting.

And these brainwashed idiots, like the author of this retarded topic are only basic tools. Unconscious slave which in its stupidity only digs its own grave. Unfortunately also for all humanity. And us who still have gray cells in our heads should do as much as we can to at least people from our surroundings open their eyes. However, cleverly and patiently, because many of them already with such marketing are crazed and frightened that every little sharp word enacts in them fear of ultimate evil: "hatred", "racism" and other "isms" and forces them to even deeper retreat in a false sense of security of mass obtuseness.


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 3, 08, 11:06  #251

z_darius:

I thought Germans were working hard to define what German meant. Heck, they even measured sizes of noses and ear lobes at one time.


Erm...you know that the Nazis are gone for 60 years now, do you???


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z_darius
  May 3, 08, 11:11  #252

Bratwurst Boy:
Erm...you know that the Nazis are gone for 60 years now, do you???

Yes, they are kinda gone, but that's not the point. The point is that you said our society never knew really a distinction.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 3, 08, 11:14  #253

z_darius:
The point is that you said our society never knew really a distinction.


And?

We don't even have a word for it to differ between ethnic Germans and non-ethnic Germans/citizens of Germany...what's your problem?

Do you want now everytime you disagree with a german hark back to the Nazis???


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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  May 3, 08, 11:19  #254

Bratwurst Boy:
We don't even have a word for it to differ between ethnical Germans and non-ethnic Germans...

so what does the term "richtige Deutsche" mean? That's an honest question.

Bratwurst Boy:

what's your problem?


No problem at all. I thought it was only Poles who were touchy. Was I wrong?
Just trying to see if one of us has got things not quite right.

Bratwurst Boy:
Do you want now everytime you disagree hark back to the Nazis???

Nope. Only when it serves to illustrate a point.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 3, 08, 11:24  #255

z_darius:
so what does the term "richtige Deutsche" mean? That's an honest question.


Good question....
The best answer (for me personally) was something I read in a discussion about this. One poster wrote that WWII was something of a defining time in the history of our people....and having the infamous "Arier-Nachweis" was kind of mandatory.
He concluded that every citizen who can connect to that, whose family took part in this, is definitely a German!
That's only one way to define "Germanness", but for me it works!

z_darius:
Only when it serves to illustrate a point.


Which point in Germany 2008 should the Nazis help to illlustrate???


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z_darius
  May 3, 08, 11:42  #256

Bratwurst Boy:
Good question....

OK, thanks. That would show that a variety of "never say never" applies here.
Bratwurst Boy:
Which point in Germany 2008 should the Nazis help to illlustrate???

As above.


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 3, 08, 11:45  #257

z_darius:
OK, thanks. That would show that a variety of "never say never" applies here.


I still don't get you....:(


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z_darius
  May 3, 08, 11:48  #258

Bratwurst Boy:
I still don't get you....:(

Never mind. I just picked on some of your statements. Attention to detail, you know ;)
Thanks for the explanation of the "richtige Deutsche".


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Bratwurst Boy
  May 3, 08, 11:53  #259

z_darius:
Thanks for the explanation of the "richtige Deutsche".


As I said...that's one of several.
Others might see it different...


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espana
Edited by: espana  May 3, 08, 11:59  #260

Polson:
So do you think we should not allow these super players to play for France because of their skin color or names ? I don't think so :)

florent malouda born in "cayenne" (10 klm from paris)
patrick vieira born in "dakar senegal " (20 klm from paris)
Claude Makelele " zaire " (30 klm from paris)
Lilian Thuram guadeloupe (next to marselle)
this one are a few examples i think you have a few more

then you have the "other ones" people like zidan (the argelians are more proud of him than the french) ,Hatem Ben Arfa (nice french name) and a few more

i dont mind the skin or the names , what i do care is; do you think it is fair if leo messi play for spain just because argentina was spanish before?
fance is doing that all the time


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lesser
  May 3, 08, 12:07  #261

French sport authorities are well know from such practices, they search for young promising athletes in third world countries and offer them citizenship. This is much more than football. Natural immigrants could hardly almost completely vanish white French from football team.


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 3, 08, 12:15  #262

It really looks odd if for a central european team nearly only non-whites play...
How is that fair and equal to the native whites???
French or non-french...





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espana
Edited by: espana  May 3, 08, 12:27  #263

the good thing about polson is when i think in the football team of france always will come to my mind michele platini , and is good that you fell proud of france
good luck this euro 2008

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DoubleClick
  May 3, 08, 12:29  #264

What is the opinion of majority of french people regarding black players? anyone?

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Polson
Edited by: Polson  May 3, 08, 12:31  #265

espana:
do you think it is fair if leo messi play for spain just because argentina was spanish before?

espana:
florent malouda born in "cayenne" (10 klm from paris)

espana:
Lilian Thuram guadeloupe (next to marselle)

Cayenne is in Guyane which IS a French territory.
Guadeloupe, yeah, as i told you, French Antilles, still France.

As for Makelele, his dad was a professional football player and they moved to France (France didn't "recruit" him...). Viera left Senegal at the age of 8.

espana:
zidan (the argelians are more proud of him than the french)

I think you meant "Algerians"... You find it weird, seriously ?... Do you know another big star coming from Algeria ?.. Zidane was one of the best player in the world, of course they, the Algerians, were proud of him. And in case you didn't know, Zidane was among the most "beloved" French during a few years... see, we were proud of him too. But i don't really see your point here. Deco (Barça) is Brazilian and currently playing for Portugal. Marcos Senna is currently playing for your country, but isn't he Brazilian ?...

espana:
Hatem Ben Arfa (nice french name)

We have a big North Africa minority, yeah, and he's French, yeah.

Have you ever seen the Netherlands' U19 team ? They have many black players. What about Davids, Kluivert, Seedorf, van Bronckhorst and the youngs Emanuelson, Melchiot, Heitinga, de Jong, , Babel, Vermeer, Zuiverloon, Sno, Drenthe, etc. Most of them are from the Dutch Antilles, like most of the French Blacks are from the French Antilles.


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espana
  May 3, 08, 12:33  #266

thank god spain have one

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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 3, 08, 12:36  #267

Polson:
Have you ever seen the Netherlands' U19 team ? They have many black players. What about Davids, Kluivert, Seedorf, van Bronckhorst and the youngs Emanuelson, Melchiot, Heitinga, de Jong, , Babel, Vermeer, Zuiverloon, Sno, Drenthe, etc....


I agree...that looks odd too...

Hehe...Many Poles claim Klose and Podolski! Should that mean Poland was a colony??? :)


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Polson
Edited by: Polson  May 3, 08, 12:36  #268

Bratwurst Boy:
It really looks odd if for a central european team nearly only non-whites play...
How is that fair and equal to the native whites???

Do you think black players have more chances to join the national team ?... I don't think so :) They are very good, that's enough.

espana:
good luck this euro 2008

Thanks, good luck to Spain :)

DoubleClick:
What is the opinion of majority of french people regarding black players? anyone?

There are people joking about it, others who don't care about where the players are from, and racists who would like a "quota", 1 black, 2 whites, for example, how stupid and narrow minded...

Bratwurst Boy:
I agree...that looks odd too...

Dunno if it's odd...they are excellent players though :))


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  May 3, 08, 12:40  #269

Polson:
There are people joking about it, others who don't care about where the players are from, and racists who would like a "quota", 1 black, 2 whites, for example, how stupid and narrow minded...


Why narrow minded???
Why is it okay for blacks to have quotas to help them to develop and to be serious about equality but not for whites???
Do you really think it okay if a predominantly white country has barely white players in their national team??? Nothing wrong with that??? Where are they all? Did the native french lost their skill or their interest suddenly???


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Polson
  May 3, 08, 12:51  #270

Bratwurst Boy:
Hehe...Many Poles claim Klose and Podolski! Should that mean Poland was a colony???

Miss Poland 2000 name was Justyna Bergmann... does that mean Germany was a Polish colony ??? ;)))

Bratwurst Boy:
Do you really think it okay if a predominantly white country has barely white players in their national team??? Nothing wrong with that???

Nope. Do you think we choose our national players depending on their skin color or names ?... The idea of a quota is totally stupid, i'm sorry. If these black players are better than their white fellows, why should we choose the white players ?... Because they are white ? Now that's what we commonly call racism :)

Bratwurst Boy:
Did the native french lost their skill or their interest suddenly

Zidane is as native as Coupet. Both were born and raised in the same country, they speak the same language, went to school, have been living in the same culture.


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