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truebrit
  Aug 2, 06, 04:51  #121

Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #118
Thinking about Poland we can be quite stubborn and proud of our culture. I think that our attitude is different tham some of western countries - we would allow any foreign people to live in our country if they learn our language and culture, just asimilate.


In Britain we had this approach.If you had come to Britain in 1990 you would have seen black,asian people but no-one cared about race etc.Then Tony Blair allowed everyone (war criminals,criminals,terrorists etc)into the country and people got annoyed.Like I said - if this had happened anywhere else there would have been a bloodbath but the British are very tolerant.

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truebrit
  Aug 2, 06, 04:53  #122

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #119
That, what is happening in the UK, happened here long ago


Sorry but once again it happened in Britain first.That is why we are so ahead of many countries because we do it first.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 04:59  #123

truebrit


I think the trouble in English these days is that our history isnt being tought...it's such a shame because it's quite rich and intersting

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 05:11  #124

by english I meant in the classes at school

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada  Aug 2, 06, 05:36  #125

Quoting: truebrit, Post #122
Actually,the same thing happened in Britain a long time ago.We had the Romans,Normans,Heugonots,French asylum seekers and even black people hundreds of years ago.By mixed race I do not mean Europeans marrying Europeans.Poland has never had a large influx of very different cultures like Africans,Asians or(worst of all)Muslims.We too had a policy of integraton until someone (Tony Blair etc)decided Muslims should get special treatment and be allowed segregration.


In the 1300s we`ve given assylum to all of the Jews who were prosecuted and killed in Western Europe - and untill the XXth century 3/4 of ALL of the World Jewish population was living in our country. Jews aren`t Europeans.

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And a little bit later on we`ve given assylum to the Tatars who were prosecuted in Asia - The Tatars are Asian Muslims.

Besisides Europeans of different religions: Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Lutheran Christians were always living here in relative peace, unlike in other parts of the World where they were at eachothers throats.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 06:02  #126

okay you win! of course

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 06:04  #127

Quoting: Shelley, Post #129
okay you win! of course


hahaha

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truebrit
  Aug 2, 06, 09:30  #128

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #128
Jews aren`t Europeans


In UK they are considered Europeans-maybe not in Poland.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 10:17  #129

Quoting: truebrit, Post #131
In UK they are considered Europeans-maybe not in Poland.


The Jews are Semites, just like the Arabs. Are Arabs Europeans ?

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 11:06  #130

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #132
The Jews are Semites, just like the Arabs. Are Arabs Europeans ?


Truebrit please leave this, Jewdaism is a Religion which in fact the oldest religion has been practiced all over the world - my mothers ancesters were not Arabs, but in fact European. Whilst I agree that the majory of jews live in Israil, there have been Jews all over the world for many many years. We could in deed say that Catholics derive from Arabs, was not Peter the founder of Christanity? was he an Arab?

Just a note my mother is not jewish but back in the family tree there were.

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guest-iwona [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 12:36  #131

Britain we had this approach.If you had come to Britain in 1990 you would have seen black,asian people but no-one cared about race etc.Then Tony Blair allowed everyone (war criminals,criminals,terrorists etc)into the country and people got annoyed.Like I said - if this had happened anywhere else there would have been a bloodbath but the British are very tolerant.

I think that you are too tolerant- I know Britain is famous of its tolerance but it is too much now. And all these terrorists preaching against you , hating England but living here safe and comfortable on your benefits.
I can't see this happening in Poland ever.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada  Aug 2, 06, 12:46  #132

Quoting: Shelley, Post #133
Truebrit please leave this, Jewdaism is a Religion which in fact the oldest religion has been practiced all over the world - my mothers ancesters were not Arabs, but in fact European. Whilst I agree that the majory of jews live in Israil, there have been Jews all over the world for many many years. We could in deed say that Catholics derive from Arabs, was not Peter the founder of Christanity? was he an Arab? Just a note my mother is not jewish but back in the family tree there were.


Jews - You know the people like Moses, Jesus, Einstein ect. are not Arabs.. ..they are Semites - they belong to the same family of people as the Arabs - i.e. Just like Germans and the Austrians are Germanic or the Norvegians and the Swedes are Scandinavian.

Semites aren`t Europeans - the Semitic people had originated from the Middle East It`s later on that they settled down in Europe. Those people are ethenic Jews.

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truebrit
  Aug 2, 06, 13:49  #133

Quoting: Shelley, Post #133
Truebrit please leave this


I don't care where people came from hundreds/thousands of years ago.You could say that we are all originally descended from a tribe in Africa.It means nothing.If the Jews have lived in Europe for hundreds of years and are white skinned like Europeans then as far as I am concerned they are Europeans.

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truebrit
  Aug 2, 06, 13:52  #134

Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #134
I can't see this happening in Poland ever.


Actually,things are getting stricter now-they are finally throwing these people in jails etc.I don't know why they allowed it so long.Now you are in the EU you must accept the conditions as well as the benefits.This means it will happen in Poland but be much,much worse.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Aug 2, 06, 14:28  #135

Quoting: truebrit, Post #136
I don't care where people came from hundreds/thousands of years ago.You could say that we are all originally descended from a tribe in Africa.It means nothing.If the Jews have lived in Europe for hundreds of years and are white skinned like Europeans then as far as I am concerned they are Europeans.


Arabs and as a matter of fact Persians (Iranians) are - white - but I dont`t find it`s making them "European". If I`d be you I`d ask some Israelies - the people who came back to Israel from Europe if they`re European - you`d probably be amazed by their anwsers.

Quoting: truebrit, Post #137
Now you are in the EU you must accept the conditions as well as the benefits.This means it will happen in Poland but be much,much worse.


Sooner the EU is going to adapt to our point of view than you`re going to see any of those absurdities here. Virtually all of the former Eastern Block governments/societies have the same atitude torwards those issues - and I`m convinced that this non-leftie view is being supported by many people in Western Europe who are just affraid to speak out their mind or simply don`t see any other alternatives than to accept the courrent situation.

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truebrit
  Aug 2, 06, 16:44  #136

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #138
Sooner the EU is going to adapt to our point of view


So you have have been in the EU for just 2 years and you think you have influence? You will get a shock just like those before (Spain etc).

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 03:36  #137

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #138
Sooner the EU is going to adapt to our point of view than you`re going to see any of those absurdities here


I think I have seen and heard it all now..

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 04:51  #138

Quoting: truebrit, Post #139
So you have have been in the EU for just 2 years and you think you have influence? You will get a shock just like those before (Spain etc).


The situation now is much different - we are in a Europe of 25, not an Europe of 10 or 15. France and Germany no longer have such an influance on the EU as it was in any point of time in the past - and this is a new situation.

We certainly aren`t going to bow down accepting some silly rules, who don`t have much in common with common sense. Certainly not with this government (which I have a feeling is going to last for quite a while) as well with the peoples atitudes. The same can be said about the Balts, who not long ago made it virtually impossible to legalize gay marriage in their countries, the Czechs, who have a president who shares exacly the same views as ours, the Slovaks, who not long ago had problems with Gypsie riots, and who had elected a leftwing government who had created a coalition with a REAL rightwing extremist party, whose leader attends his parliamentary sessions with a loaded pistol calling for the anahilation of Hungary (which is quite funny btw.), the Hungarians, had also lived under communism, and don`t want to see any sort of censorship in their country, as well the Romanians and Bulgarians, who are going to enter the EU very soon.

Ofcourse right now we aren`t in a position to improve Europe for the better, we can only block some of the Euro-leftie silly ideas - but things change pretty fast in Europe.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 05:09  #139

World domination!

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truebrit
  Aug 3, 06, 05:16  #140

Poland is receiving billions in aid from UK,Germany,France etc to build up its infastructure.Don't think they will give you this money for nothing.

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #141
Ofcourse right now we aren`t in a position to improve Europe for the better, we can only block some of the Euro-leftie silly ideas


Good luck.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada  Aug 3, 06, 05:34  #141

Quoting: truebrit, Post #143
Poland is receiving billions in aid from UK,Germany,France etc to build up its infastructure.Don't think they will give you this money for nothing.


And we`ve spent 10 billion EUR to adujust our system to the EU rules, we`re paing over 2 billion EUR to the EU budget each year and we are allowing your companies to transfer their revenues into UK, Germany and France ect. - on a mass scale, though they should pay the same taxes as Polish companies are doing here - I wouldn`t say that our EU membership is free. We have to pay for it and we had to do to pay for it in the past not also in financial terms by also by tolerating some of the past French/German impertinence.

Not mentioning all the large companies that we had to sell to various EU "inverstors" - cose you know - EU membership negotiations aren`t only about politics - it`s also about big business - and there are always some lobby groups who want to use the situation to force the government of a new EU country to sell some of it`s assets at a fraction of its price, or even better paying the "buyer" for "buying" those assets - as a condition of jojning the EU. We had a couple of such situation where our goverment HAD to sell its shares in a bank or a company to a foreign company who were lobbying in the EU - as a CONDITION of jojning the EU - so don`t tell me that our membership is free.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 06:09  #142

I dont think they're going to get very far with these kind of things though! Whilst the Americans in some states might find it acceptable the last hanging here was 1964 and dont see that this would ever happen again - it's barbaric (whatever the method) - and the reason I'm against is because, I believe we live in a civilised society and lets face it, whilst it's dererant it's not exactly working in the USA

The extreme-right League of Polish Families (LPR), minority party in Poland's governing coalition, announced Wednesday a Europe-wide campaign to restore the death penalty, drawing a swift rebuff from the European Union.

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truebrit
  Aug 3, 06, 06:13  #143

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #144
We had a couple of such situation where our goverment HAD to sell its shares in a bank or a company to a foreign company


Welcome to the global economy.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 06:15  #144

Quoting: truebrit, Post #146
Welcome to the global economy.




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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
Edited by: Wujek_Dobra_Rada  Aug 3, 06, 06:35  #145

Quoting: Shelley, Post #145

I dont think they're going to get very far with these kind of things though! Whilst the Americans in some states might find it acceptable the last hanging here was 1964 and dont see that this would ever happen again - it's barbaric (whatever the method) - and the reason I'm against is because, I believe we live in a civilised society and lets face it, whilst it's dererant it's not exactly working in the USA


But there are many people in Europe who`d like to see the death sentence back (in our country it`s 70% of the population - I wonder what is the percentage of people willing to see the death sentence in the UK, Italy, Spain or France.. but I guess we aren`t going to know anything about it cose asking such questions would be "against European values").

I think that we`re living in a democracy - in democracy if the majority of the people in and EU state wants something - the reintroduction of the deathsentence or anything else - then it should recive what it wants. But it looks as if the EU isn`t democratic enough to face an open discussion with its citizens about a simple issue.

I also wonder if according to the Euro lefties euthanasia is compatible with "EU values" why the death penalty isn`t. And who is setting those "EU values" if obviously a serious debate about them is obviously "agains them".

Quoting: truebrit, Post #146
Welcome to the global economy.


Global economy dosn`t have anything to do with blackmail - when it comes to people who supposed to become your partners.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 07:36  #146

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #148
euthanasia is compatible with "EU values"


Well, I think if a person wants to die, but is unable to do it themselves I think a loved one should be able to assist - surely if you were in pain and there was no chance of recovery - it would be your wish to die?

I know that it goes again catholic beliefs but doesnt the death penalty? - an eye for an eye - but that could be countered with "let him without sin cast the first stone"........

I think that a lot of people in England would vote for the death penalty, but then again there would be a lot that would vote against....

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 08:28  #147

Quoting: Shelley, Post #149
Well, I think if a person wants to die, but is unable to do it themselves I think a loved one should be able to assist - surely if you were in pain and there was no chance of recovery - it would be your wish to die?


Yep - but there are people who are living in pain becaouse of an illness and want to die - and when they are cured they are regreting that they were wishing to die.



The same could be said about people who were sentenced to death and later proven to be innocent.

There are pros and contras in both cases - and both issues can be putten as equal - but the EU is tolerating one issue without a question while on the other hand it is not tolerating the other not asking people about their opinion but also not allowing even to talk about it. The EU citizens ought to decide if they want to have the death sentence or/and euthanasia in their own country - and it isn`t really important if the death penalty is right or wrong (which in my opinion is right, but there are people who disagree, and they have the right to do so)

Quoting: Shelley, Post #149
I know that it goes again catholic beliefs but doesnt the death penalty? - an eye for an eye - but that could be countered with "let him without sin cast the first stone"........


Religion dosn`t have anything to do with law or crime prevention. The death penalty is the ultimate penalty that had always existed in Europe - if applied to the most voilant crime it scares people off comiting those crimes - and it gives a proper sense of justice to the victims and their families.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 08:31  #148

if someone is terminally ill - there is no cure! no regrets, just pain and agony for the person and their loved ones

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 08:49  #149

Quoting: Shelley, Post #151
if someone is terminally ill - there is no cure! no regrets, just pain and agony for the person and their loved ones


But there alway can be a cure. i.e. untill reacently there was no effective cure against the Parkinsons diese - now there are a couple of them - some of them were even developed here. There is often no hope for people with brain tumors - but there are cases where people are cured. There are people who suffered brain damage - who later on got back to their normal lives ect.

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guest-iwona [Guest]
  Aug 3, 06, 15:02  #150

Actually,things are getting stricter now-they are finally throwing these people in jails etc.I don't know why they allowed it so long.Now you are in the EU you must accept the conditions as well as the benefits.This means it will happen in Poland but be much,much worse.

Truebrit,

What do you mean worse?

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