What do polish people think of burning the national flags?

Mali, you keep on mixing up the terms. A state is not always the same as the government.


Not really. People's rights for instance do not say what you cannot do but rather what you have the right to do. Go through labor laws in Canada for instance. You may also look at the Canadian Constitution. Other such documents will be similar. Plenty of "you have the right to" in those.


You may argue otherwise on some philosophical level, but by law they don't, and governments have been successfully sued if they caused a loss of life.



Wouldn't burning of the images of the government officials be more appropriate? What you are suggesting is that we should actually give national symbols away to a bunch of thugs, allow them to own those symbols, and then burn them?

It's almost like locking up a car thief in your car and then pushing the car to the lake to punish the thief. Plain silly. May as well save the car, eh?

Well, I AM curious being as you have no idea what I did in the Military:) I'll assume it's the same old stuff.

....and that was for Rocky dennis

St George flag lasts 17 minutes in Edinburgh....
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Outrageous behaviour.

Mind you the Scottish Flag on my neighbour's house only lasted three minutes after the Calcutta Cup..

Ahh...15 -9, I remember it well ;-)

Murrayfield weather.....

Cost me a fortune down the pub

On topic - burning flags contributes to global warming. Please recycle them in future

Czerwone Maki na Monte Cassino

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~antora/WIERSZE/CASSINO/CASSINO.HTM

WOULD ANY OF YOU WANT TO BURN THIS FLAG?

rofl.. seems to be the case in the US too. i have never seen a hammas flag on fire here but then most have no clue that hammas even has a flag.


that has nothing to do with centralization of power. USA nor Canada have really centrilized governments. USA is moving towards that stance, so it seems anyway.


not really.i think a hitler mustache looked sexy on ol' GW. lol


US military wasn't it? 'nough said.


the proper way to dispose of a US flag is to burn it actually. not kidding either.
which flag would that be?

I hate to be fussy, but Tom Stoppard is a Czech raised and living in Britain.

I've never knowingly burnt a flag, I wouldn't recommend it, but I wouldn't ban it either.
There are better forms of expression.

The rockets red glare gave proof in the night that our flag was still there. Don't burn the flag. What about the one presented to a loved one and treasured forever after a loved one dies. No, I aggree with donkey, there are better ways.

no there aren't it's the dignified way:



lol

Burning a flag says nothing more than a hatred for whatever that flag might represent.

If I burn a star-spangled banner (as they like to call it), it could be because I don't like George Bush, George Clinton or Blueberry pie.
If I burn a Tricolore, it could be because I don't like what they do to snails or frogs.
If I burn the Irish flag, it might be because I've got an Italian flag upside down with the colours done just a bit off.

If I use words or real action, I can say so much more, in a dignified way or not.

SHRUBCO CAN'T HEAR IN HIS LIMO MAN BUT HE SURE CAN SMELL AND SEE THE BURN. :D :D

This is acceptable. I bet you would be heard alot better if it were your bra, so why the flag. lol

THERE YOU GO
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LOL

He said it, not me.

Burning a flag is a pretty cowardly, particularly if it's your own country's flag.

If flag burning is a symbolic gesture behind a deep seated sense of misjustice or a grievance against the government/state etc, why not actually do something about it, like lobby, or petition or meet with a politician - oh, that's right, that would actually involve the mind rather than a lighter and some fuel.

I AGREE BUT I TAKE IT YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO IN THE PAST THEN. LET ME TALL YOU THIS: "GOOD LUCK" ESPECAILLY IF THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ANYTHING POLISH. US REPS ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT ANSWERING TO THEIR CONSTITUENCY BUT THE PL GOV REPS ARE FREAKING WORTHLESS.

He's right you know,all federal flags(thats them there star spangly ones) come with a little gift set of accessories,you know that golden ball thingy on the top of the flag pole,traditionaly it contains a razor blade,for cutting the flag loose,a match,for setting fire to the flag and a bullet,so the flag burner can shot themself with honour.......all so ua nasty Red Coats couldnt get our grubby anglo saxon hands on Mrs W's tablecloth...

Of course, isthatu2. Who knows what you limeys would have done with it. Tax it without representation, probably!

Not really...... You've obviously never been enlisted, so that'll go nowhere. Thanks for trying to put me down though :)

Oh no u didn't! Shut the hell up u have no idea wat u are talking about! U think it's just that easy? U just pick up the phone and call ur local governor? HAHAHAHAHA Have u ever lobbyied before? I don't think so because u wouldn't be talking like that if u had! MY DAD LOBBYS! It is a tedious process even when u have a few hundred grand to throw out for some bozo's campaign! If they don't know you or your fam and u don't know their best friend or their spouse they are hard as hell to get to! If u had a mil or something to throw out u could do it!

Your basic person can't lobby! They don't have the funds or the social connections! U need at least 300k cash ready to throw into some sleezeball's pocket at the blink of an eye! U need friends in high places and persistance! It is really difficult!

That's what makes it worth doing. As opposed to flag burning which is easy, pointless, and crude. Again, I'm all for freedom of expression and there are times when I can see flag burning as a necissary sign of defiance but it's not a instigator of real change, just a display.

Sure it is much more complex than burning a piece of fabric but it often brings results.
Now, can you give us some examples where an instance of flag burning caused a positive change in some legislation, or human condition? (please note that inhaling fumes of burning fabric is not a positive change in human condition)

U don't know how often it even brings results because all u c are the results! Most of the time it doesn't work. To get a bill passed it is gonna take 10s of millions and 100s of lobbyists to schmooze for freaking years! U can sway a vote pretty easily but to make a huge difference it takes alot! Gettin yourself arrested to protest a law can be much more effective. Say wat u want about lobbying but u don't know anything. My dad has lobbyied for probably the past 7 years and it isn't as influential as u think especially in recent years.

Flag burning can make a difference if it is illegal and u getting arrested gets u alot of publicity swaying public support ur way! It is much much cheaper than lobbying and if u have media support it's much more effective. Politicians aren't as loyal to lobbyists as u think. U give em 100k for their campaign and the other side of your issues gives them 120k they will vote for the other side! U DON'T GET UR $ BACK!!!

EDIT* takes a long time unless ur an investment banker like the rothschilds or rockefellers with pockets deeper than the pacific ocean. I just called my dad and he said some lobbys never make progress like the NAMBLA child molesters lobby! YEP THEY HAVE ONE!

I guess were asking for ONE example (except for Texas v. Johnson) where flag burning has been an effective way of implementing public policy. Just one.

that's why i dropped it. no need to go down that path. :)



nobody claims it is



got us in to the ME with guns blazing, didn't it??? ;) :D

Watch your language young lady.

Flag burning is disgusting. Anyone that bans their own country's flag should be charged with treason.

Fair enough. I'd just like to add that I was in the Navy and unarmed. I was deployed to the Philippines in 91 to rescue people from a volcano and in Somalia 95 because of the civil war. Other than that, I was in the Persian gulf on a carrier most of the time cruising the Pacific.

I was on more humanitarian missions than anything else. I'm such a horrible beast :)