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Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?


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Mister H
Edited by: Mister H  Sep 3, 08, 11:42  #301

djf:

Depends upon the area and what requirements the child/ren have.
Some schools now are having to produce and/or employ someone to produce learning materials for the polish children that have recently started at schools and have no knowledge of the english language. This of course is another expense on the already limited budget of a school. And the knock-on effect could possibly be deterimental to the english children in the classes.
This is of course true for an child who does not speak english entering the UKs education system.
I remember in Nottingham the council having to produce leaflets in 13 different languages with further languages being available upon request.
The money has to come from somewhere.


A teacher friend I was chatting to at a party recently said it takes around two terms for a child who does not speak English at all to catch up with the ones that do. While this isn't long in the great scheme of things, it's still time that is not being spent on the rest of the class.

Foreign children going to school for the first time should already know the same amount of English as other kids the same age. Any parent that allows it to be any different should be ashamed of themselves.

Teachers are not their to teach children English from scratch and printing leaflets in all kinds of languages is just allowing a daft situation to continue.

Why do so-called loving parents allow this to happen ?

 
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z_darius
  Sep 3, 08, 11:49  #302

noimmigration:

Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education

What's "childrens"?

 
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sausage ♦ GOLD MEMBER
  Sep 3, 08, 11:54  #303

z_darius:

What's "childrens"?

children = plural of child
it should be "British children's education"...
the education of British children.

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Daisy
  Sep 3, 08, 12:08  #304

z_darius:

What's "childrens"?

Noimmi isn't much of an advert for British education is he? I wonder who he is going to balme for that.

 
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z_darius
  Sep 3, 08, 12:12  #305

Daisy:

Noimmi isn't much of an advert for British education is he?

If he doesn't care about his own, then I wonder what's got into him to make him worry about the education of others.

 
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zantetsuken69
  Sep 3, 08, 20:44  #306

but guys, he's a *chuckle* Law Student.

A well educated man and a model citizen.

 
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HAL9009
  Sep 16, 08, 18:31  #307

With reference to the topic's title:
children's

(Uh, I see Sausage has beaten me to it, but lol, what the hell...,
I really must come here more often)

 
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MrBubbles
  Sep 28, 08, 02:31  #308

Mister H:

Foreign children going to school for the first time should already know the same amount of English as other kids the same age. Any parent that allows it to be any different should be ashamed of themselves.

Teachers are not their to teach children English from scratch and printing leaflets in all kinds of languages is just allowing a daft situation to continue.


Well I do actually agre with this. Teachers have had more and more regulation and paperwork dropped on them over the last 20 years and I can imagine the last thing they (and the other pupils) need is for children speaking virtually no English to be dumped in the class.

Then again, maybe the teachers should stop whingeing and get on with doing a full day's work. They do enjoy pretty long paid holidays every year.

 
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Mister H
Edited by: Mister H  Sep 28, 08, 05:23  #309

MrBubbles:

Well I do actually agre with this. Teachers have had more and more regulation and paperwork dropped on them over the last 20 years and I can imagine the last thing they (and the other pupils) need is for children speaking virtually no English to be dumped in the class.

Then again, maybe the teachers should stop whingeing and get on with doing a full day's work. They do enjoy pretty long paid holidays every year.


It's very ironic that I used "their" rather than "there" in a post about teachers :-)

Note to self - must check what I've written more thoroughly before posting.

I do agree that teachers do get the long holidays etc, but I still think that they are there to teach children in English, rather than teaching English itself from scratch. They're allowing parents to opt out of their responsbilities otherwise and I do also think that it is a massive burden on a child to have to deal with all of this.

They should be running around grazing their knees and being children and not having to manage all this extra stuff.

 
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MrBubbles
  Sep 28, 08, 08:33  #310

Mister H:

They're allowing parents to opt out of their responsbilities otherwise and I do also think that it is a massive burden on a child to have to deal with all of this.

They should be running around grazing their knees and being children and not having to manage all this extra stuff.

Indeed. A lot of people here forget that it's rarely the child who chooses to come to England. In the end the experience will probeably be beneficial but there'll be so much stress on the way, being relegated to class thickie for most of their lives...

 
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HAL9009
  Oct 7, 08, 18:51  #311

I see Mr Noimmigration seems to have deserted his topic for now. Quel dommage (considering his observed views he he is unlikely to understand this phrase, being of such limited an intelligence as indicated by his ravenous rantings on this forum thus far).
Pig ignorant stupidity and violent antagonism (as that displayed by Mr.NI) should always be opposed at every opportunity.

Przyprszam, I'm in an uncompromising mood tonight heh :D

 
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bluebird
  Oct 19, 08, 12:49  #312

Rather have a bunch of Polish kids than Muslims.

My old Primary School looks more like the UN than Wales. At least Poles want to learn the local language and not try to ram their culture down our throats.

 
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Mister H
Edited by: Mister H  Oct 19, 08, 16:55  #313

bluebird:

Rather have a bunch of Polish kids than Muslims.

My old Primary School looks more like the UN than Wales. At least Poles want to learn the local language and not try to ram their culture down our throats.


How tolerant of you.

And what do you do to try and combat this ? Are you on the board of governors of the school or something ? Have you spoken to the principal there ? Have you contacted the local Muslim society to discuss your concerns ? Do you observe all the Christian religious festivals in a traditional way ? Have you spoken to the other local faith organisations to see how they interact with each other and the local Muslim population to promote integration ?

 
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