Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

Who's paying for it? And why on earth should we have to?



Not really, it's all about the government opening up the doors to any Tom, Dick and Harry with no restrictions and expecting English people to suffer....

it is called solidarity....
this is how democracy works.



i remember there was a time when the empire had colonies all over the planet. where they invited? what was the gain?
i recommend thinking first before talking...

If you can find the number of Brits who worked in the British colonies then this will be the number you're looking for. Likely millions.

Oh, and I didn't quite get the reason for commie twaddle mate. Is it a lack of arguments that makes you fluff up your posts with redundancies?


I don't take anu issues with the funding problems. As a matter of fact I oppose any special treatment of immigrants and their children. If someone has the guts to go to a different country then IMO they should have the guts to take care of their, and their families' language skills.

no but you used to invade millions around the globe when you were setting up your empire - haha sweet justice for sods such as yourself!!

No you're not. Prove it champion. I've read some of your posts and I don't believe you would be. Which university do you go to? Throw some "law" at me! Please reply mate - dont be shy.

Millions of Brits didnt work in the colonies. The reason for the empire's success was that it was a triumph of organisation and administration. "millions" of Brits have never left Britain to go anywhere.

Even if they leached off the work of others, they still worked as administrators, soldiers and such.

Between 1825 and 1849 alone (that's only a 25 year period) the following number of Brits emigrated to the following areas:

North American Colonies (now Canada) - 808,740
USA - 1,260,247
Aus and NZ - 185,286
Others - 30,911
Total - 2,285,184

So yes, it's millions.
During that period the total population of England was under 15 mil.

Still not millions and I dont see how a soldier would benefit.



You're confusing the terms British and English.

exactly my point,If your kids are slightly older,then to choose to leave your native country without proparly preparing your kids for it then it is your fault,not the host countries fault ,if their education suffers.
As to the
old CPGB and Socialist worker crap mate, no immplication intended that you are a card carrying member of the party....:)
But, I stand by my point,backed up by other posters since,you have a very simplified "understanding" of the old Empire...all those millions you listed went out to build new countries,no one sent Tax back to Britain...especially not from the US,have you never heard the phrase,"no taxation without representation"? 40 odd years prior to your figures the USA won independance from Britain.......
As a final point, The British Empire did not end because "we" suddenly felt guilty about it,it ended because Britain could no longer afford to prop up its dominions.Financially for a good half of the empires history more money went out than came in.

First problem I see here is your basic arithmetic skills, so let's make it simple for you:
2,285,184 means over 2.2 millions.

You're not trying to say the British soldiers went to the colonies for charity work with the natives, are you?

A technicality. The fact remains that contrary to your statement ("millions" of Brits have never left Britain to go anywhere), millions of them did leave Britain.

bo**ox, tell an Irish man,still then a Briton,that he's technicaly english...sorry mate,your just reenforcing your lack of knowladge in this area.

No ,he's probably saying that atleast 80-85 % of forces in the empire were local sodiers,Indians in ,er,India,Africans in ,well,er, Africa etc etc

Still,not that it seems relevent anymore but, can darius point out anytime in history when over 1 1/2 millions brits went to one country in less than 3 years?

hahaha...

so britain sent the salvation army???
they put existing countries into their empire only because british people are "so nice" to build new countries on places where there are already countries (not to mention the people living in them)??

don't you think there was for example a massive interest in getting these countries ressources to britains benefit???

how shortsighted and ignorant is that view, please?

change the record, I think that my generation have paid enough to 3rd world x british empires...not my problem!



No its called bleeding the british tax payer.


And just how many had to get goverment money to pay for their language lessons...just how many sent the majority of their earnings back to the UK?.... Just how many went with only a few sheckles in their back pocket? I think you will find that the English emigrate for very different reasons from those from the new A8 countries...oh and if you look at the size of the countries you listed you will note that England is in deed a tiny Island and not in any way alike...

shut up you old commie,you swallowed uncle joes stories hook line and sinker didnt you falkster..geez, you guys moan because the avarge Brit knows nothing about Polands empire then claim to be experts on our old empire........when all you do is spout old left crap. So, would you agree that India,one of the giant econamies of this century would have been better off left as a clusster of medievil monarchies,where women threw themselves onto husbands funeral pire etc ad nauseum?

it says quote shelly but its actualy falksters quote....

yes,in many countries Britain was invited in by the then ruling elites....stick to a subject you know some facts about rather than rehashing old lefty crap over and over and over........
And So, in conclusion, NO Polish kids arnt ruining British kids education.The system of education is ruining it all ready. We have schools in this country run by private buisness who massage figures to show improvment,how do they do that? they expell all the kids that "might" be a problem.......

The thing is Shelley, any child entering the British State system gets some help initially if they cannot speak the language. It's nothing new and it's not something just been designed for Eastern European immigrants etc. The fact is the funding needs to be revised. It's quite archaic to say nothing should be done.

Many of these children will more than likely make their homes here when they are older and will contribute to the taxation system just as you and most other residents do in the UK. More than likely the childrens parents are working (in the majority of cases) and paying tax as well.

It's also surely, false economy to have teachers spending inordinate amounts of time trying to explain lessons to children who cannot speak the language. It is more cost effective to assist them at the outset and then they will quickly pick up their fluency from their day to day interactions around the school.

I don't agree. Being part of the EU means free movement of labour. Yes, we have been affected quite a bit here in the UK I know but you also have to remember a lot of immigrants do work in jobs which many UK people do not want to do......also many are skilled as well and this country would struggle to maintain a lot of its basic services if we had a 'closed doors' policy. The Uk also, has a large ageing population which is growing considerably and therein lies some major issues for the future. Far better to educate well the younger generation (whether immigrant children or not) so that this Country can continue to prosper.

Sorry LIR, you are not going to win me over on this one, I dont think my tax should be going on paying for 'extra' english lessons for children....

Its an expense we can do without

Yes I am fully aware that some schools in places like Oldham (large asian comunities) have problems..and I dont agree with them getting extra help either, if you come to this country then you should be able to fit in...simple

We have an aging populatino because the average person finds it a struggle to aford to have a family.

I seriously dont think that our economy would have crashed if we had limited the the number of people coming to the UK.

English people for centuries have done the ****** jobs...we managed okay!

Here bloomin here :)

how can you fit in without knowing the language?
this is a problem of most of the developed coutries, not UK alone - the government should encourage family politics, such as child benefits and tax breaks for famililes, which in Canada for example is only done in one province: Quebec

And I am the first to always say each to their own opinion. But when you are retired and sat at home waiting for your State OA pension to arrive, don't be surprised if it never does because with your viewpoint there will not be sufficient money coming into the economy to fund your state pension. Well, you may say, I shal have a private pension, but majority of people may not or it may be small so they will desperately rely on their State pension.

So in your view, don't let them in or just let the children go straight to school not speaking any English. Costs more to supervise them, causes disruption for many when there is no need and stores up future problems when they enter adult life, badly educated, misinterpreting the english language and encourages them to not integrate into the UK society. And then maybe riots will start again ? A lot of work has gone into the area's you mention and quite rightly so.

Backward steps and I for one am proud at the way the UK is working on making this a fairer country for all. I pay tax too and am more than happy for my money to be used in the way the Government sees fit.

Just my view :))

Dont make me laugh, what state pension?????????? the only reason that the pension fund will be depleted is because the government spent it all pandering to none nationals and asylum seekers! I have a private pension anyway and have had since I was 18....



Pay for lessons or ensure that the children already speak the language would be a good idea, not let it be the responsibility of the host country!



You have your reasons...

Not true. When we were poorer people tended to have larger families. Birth control, more prosperity, women waiting till they were a lot older before starting families, equality within the workplace, cultural changes etc etc have all contributed to the issues we shall be facing. It is not common just to the Uk , quite recently Japan has been the focus of attention on this very issue too. It is worldwide !



When did it crash ? I know I've not read the news today. Did it happen this morning then ?



Yeah, but think population sizes have increased somewhat over the centuries (not including immigration figures) also, we have more we want more, then we need more services etc etc

:)

not all of them- there were some cases, but it was not prevelent in the whole country.

When you pay into a State pension the money isn't put into a big reserve fund like in some private pensions. Some of the money that is collected by the Government from you in the form of National Insurance coontributions pays out state pensions to those people who are receiving it today. That is how the system works and has always worked.



Well lets hope the World economy continues to prosper or your pension may not be worth as much as you think it may be when you retire. Also, not everyone is as fortunate as you are and therefore will be relying on a state pension alone when they retire.



Incorrect.

I think you will see that i wrote "I dont think that our econony

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would have crashed had we not opend our doors....now there was no need for that tone.



Now make up your mind, first of all we have an aging population and now we have an increasing population, you see you need one to have the other, so I would argue that it is immigrants that are poping out the kids.......but yes I agree life expectancy rates have been increasing for many years. I agree we have more services - a lot of which have been moved over seas - you see we have very little industry left in the UK and our 'services' have been relocated to places like India, we are or should I say a nation of service providers....

As to your point about women and child birth, would you not agree it has a lot to do with being able to provide for a family....and what is wrong with that?

This is nothing but an attempt by the instructional rightwing to pirate a system of racial togetherness and social cohesion that this country has enjoyed over the years.
Why not them make an issue over the contribution made by these so called “immigrants” make to society? If the bulk of the Brits that are on benefits could get off the phat a*ses and get a job 3- 5 yrs ago, maybe we should not even be having this conversion. You call up the Dept of work and pensions and enquire about the available vacancies in England and Wales, I bet you, you’ll be told about 400,000+
Now this is my argument if these vacancies are been filled, by had working people irregardless where they are from; and paying taxes and NI pls note its called national insurance; national, and yet those with their crooked and perverse mind keep referring to them as immigrants, not with the full understanding of the word, but with all its derogatory implication. (Some legal bits, if we could establish this premise then they are committing a crime, it called incitement {:~) NB I have the copyright on this son }so if you are a victim see me, why suffer in silence? )
My little advice is, let be very careful we are all brothers and sisters; we have no right to treat and refer to people in ways and manner that we ourselves would be uncomfortable with. At the end of the day most of our beloved friends are here to make a better life for themselves and their families. You now tell me what more honourable than that?

I opted out so you will find that my pension money went to my private pension. I know exactly how a pension works....




My pension is doing quite well thanks, it all depends on who you have your pension with, mine is safe....



Well, you have it your way, this goverment wastes money on translations every day...so I consider that a waste of money that could be spent better.

actually i do not moan about anything.
it is almost always the brits on here who moan about how their society gets taken over by foreigners...
by the way i grew up in germany. nothing commy or left there so please stop taking in assumptions and start saying something productive for the discussion...


i said something ONCE. and that was not even lefty whatever...
but it is nice to see on what well educated level some people are writing...


finally something i can agree with...



so well siad. in germany we have been going through this process some years ago and guess what, all you doubters, our country still exists...


on a slightly lighter note: have you ever seen brit people traveling?


well... quite obviously not...


very good point actually...