Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

Quote and link to article for information...........<s>

The Impact of Changing Demographics in the UK Population

"The proportion of those of working age paying taxes to support the elderly will fall from 3.3 of working age for every pensioner today, to 2.9 in 2031, by which time the UK population is expected to reach 71 million (BBC, 23rd October 2007)"

http://www.thetimes100.co.uk/additional/news--the-impact-changing-demo graphics-uk-population--55.php

It's interesting that the immigrants rising birth rate will rise to help the UK ageing population and it's worth reading the article for that reason although obviously there will be other issues as well.

Just posting this for information if anyone is interested that's all <s>

I have to go, work to do lol......

I was never a member of any party in Poland, so I certainly wouldn't be tempted to join one in the country that sheltered the father of communism :)


They destroyed a lot of cultures in the process. And just like with Poles in Britain, nobodyh in those "new lands" asked the Brits to come and build new countries, did they? That "building of new countries" is not much different than walking into your neighbor's house and claiming that you will now live there, set the daily rules, move some of the furniture to your own house and generally tinker around the invaded household while the original owners are at work.


Where shall we start? The now iconinc "Boston tea party"? What was that about? Would you like to talk about WW1 and WW2 and how Britain did not need all those people and resource from the Colonies? Or could you explain what interest had the Gurka forces in fighting for Britain?


That was a slogan which was in protest to the actual taxation without representation. Especially for you and free of charge, a quote from Wikipedia:

The colonists complained that taxes were imposed by Parliament without the consent of the colonists, which violated the traditional Rights of Englishmen dating back from the Magna Carta.

The devil is in the detail, huh? :) You shouldn't have slept through those history classes.



I agree. The Empire collapsed because it stood no chance anymore. Britain was to weak militarily to continue the occupation. And let me ask you a question, where did the money come for this propping up of its Dominions? King of England action figures? Or Queen Victoria dolls that were in huge demand among Indians and aborigeenes of Australia?


Wow, the Salvation Army are robbers in comparison to the Colonial Britain :)

I dont want a country full of immigrants - Im ENGLISH and my coutry is ENGLAND....the same as I would immigine Poland would not want a future country that was no longer Polish............

that's truly european way of thinking...
oh i forgot...
EVERYbody on this planet should be able to speak english, right?

erm... you seem not very confident about everything "english"... do you see this country and its (truly great!) heritage not strong enough to cope with different cultures??
england will always be england in the same way as poland will always be poland.
don't panic...

If you read my previous posts you would have noticed I am with you on that one.



I don't know the numbers of individuals, but I do know that major companies, whose income often exceeded the combined income of individuals (The Hudson Bay Company) sent gobs of goods (money, raw materials, food etc) back to England.



The reasons were the same (give or take a researcher or two). They always have been: improving one's living standards, sometimes pure survival.


So it's OK to ramble about bigger countries but not smaller ones? Sound like Robin Hood's ideology. You're such a romantic :)

it is going to happen to Poland too, if it's any consolation to you Shell. Just a matter of time. And yes, Polish people will have to deal with it in the future, probably learning (hopefully) from other countries mistakes.
sure, I unerstand your sentiments, but reality doesn't seem to follow your wishes. Sorry. I am an immigrant and I am looking from my point of view. Also, I have never had any problems with other natinalities in Canada, because I know that their presence is due to IMMIGRATION policy implemented by the government. It is good to vent the frustrations, but it is also good to see the real causes of things. It is also good to stop being afraid of other nationalities just because they are not British. I think that you are guied by fear more than rational analysis on how things really are.

Out of what used to be called 'SERPS' I expect ? Not out of a basic state pension.

I'm not applying any tone. I'm merely replying in an informative way, you said



And I said it has not crashed unless it has happened this morning as I have not read the news this morning. That is a factual statement lol,.......



That's great then. So you will be aware that unless you are in a final salary scheme, your pension is dependent on the future growth on the Worlds financial markets ? Anything else is just a savings scheme and will not appreciate sufficiently in order to give you a good income when you retire., Furthermore, as people are now living longer your pension has to last a lot longer (on the assumption that when you do retire you will be fortunate to live a long and happy retirement) You may well find that your pension isn't worth as much as you think it will be and will be very happy to receive your basic state pension to supplement it.



Hopefully :))



Think you are taking what I wrote out of context. You said 'over centuries' obviously the population did increase over hundreds of years. I've posted a link regarding the changing demograpics in the UK Population. Hope you find it of some interest. I'm not trying to score any points with you Shelley am merely debating the issue and providing some factual information too......Have a nice afternoon I really have to go and get some work done for now...

:)

No they went because that was their job. Are U.S. soldiers in Iraq there because they spot an opportunity for material gain? Of course not, and so it ever was.


I've never heard hundreds of thousands of Irish described as such but you feel free. This also invalidates your earlier point on my arithmetic skills.

And why did someone decide to send them there?
(Please notice that Polish government is not sending any troops to protect Polish citizens in the UK)

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Not for the material advancement of the soldiers, which was the original point.

Yaaay! I win.

and who robbed the Iraqui museums?

Daisy, who disputes bout that? If you have to say it for other to hear thereby convincing yourselves its does make me wonder.

it's for Shelley's benefit

In Canada, after a certain number of years in service, British soldiers were granted land. Considering that before joining the army they owned no more than what they were wearing, they ended up benefiting materially from the service.

seems like your joy is premature :)

Fair point. Though this wasnt the norm by any means.


Yeah, but it was good while it lasted.

True. Some never survived the retirement age. Others (officers) actually had to pay to acquire their rank, although in the end they did also get material benefits (land in the Colonies or back at home, shares in big companies, and they) which were proportionally larger, depending on their rank, years of service and merit. Officers as well as regulars also received salaries.


That's life. We all have our ups and downs. That helps us tell the difference between the two ;)

This is an interesting arcticle i read a couple of months ago, wasn't sure it coud be accessed online but just found it......

'How to deal with a shrinking population.' The Economist. July/August edition 2007.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9545933

........................definitey worth a read

Not sure how to do url's sorry and I have a mac.......so don't want to be confused. Lol :))

Quoting: ShelleyS
Im ENGLISH and my coutry is ENGLAND

Sorry Daisy, I knew you where well informed than that, making statements from the depth of depravity. Some people just ought to take a second look at who they are; and if been English is all they have then they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

And one of the articles about Japan that i alluded to in an earlier post, can be read here also:-

'Japan's changing demography' The Economist Juy/August 2007 Edition.
Cloud, or silver linings?

http://www.economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9539825

This is a small excerpt from the article just to show how ageing is affecting Japan. But it's not only Japan I read in the other article that the Russian Army is having problems recruiting because of youth shortages too :))

"Certainly Japan is greying at an astonishing rate. Shortly after the second world war the proportion of Japanese over 65 was around 5% of the population, easily below that in Britain, France or America. Today the elderly account for one-fifth of the population, and average lifespans have grown remarkably. Life expectancy today is 82, up from a little over 50 in 1947.

By 2015 the proportion of elderly will have risen to one in four of the population, or more than 30m"


Also, "Can a working population support such a number of future retirees? Today's younger workers appear not to think so. Two-fifths of them are not paying contributions towards the fixed portion of their state pension scheme (current contributions fund present, not future retirees), suggesting they don't believe that the scheme will be viable when they retire. And they may be right."

Hope some of you find that interesting :))

you so missed the point,you gave figures for 1841 to 19..,by which time no Tax was being paid to britain by the US..........

and why was that,Oh yes getting involved in a war we didnt need to,remember,Adolf had no intention of invading britain,his focus was always east till we sided with you guys.
Yes,they were well paid ,they have always been volonteer mercineries from a country that was never in the British empire! so there :)
yes,we have a habit of sheltering the worlds waifs,strays and loons in this country.......

You seem to be allowing my dyslexia to lull you into a false sense of superiorty,never mind,if you go back and check your post and quotes you might find a few holes in your onesided arguements.
Aparently "brits" were paying taxes to the crown and invading countries that had long since been carved up,if you are one of the few Poles who have heard of custers last stand you probably think it was the british empire that slaughtered the redskins.......

and falkster LMAO, you were brought up in Germany so you couldnt be a lefty LOL ever heard of Marx ,Bader Meinhoff, R.A.F,er,the STASI the DDR.....do'h.

the "Ali Bab'bas" iraqi looter miranda,thats who,what do you think baghdad was like in 03,frikkin Kellys Hero's?


Wonder what the injuns make of your presence in "their" land?

and what kind of argument is that? I am know that I am not Native, but I am a big supporter of anything Native in any form - even road blocks.
I was making that comment to Shelly who seem to be afraid of foreing looking people in England and you are twisting it around. Why?

if you know that for a fact, then I am at peace now. Also, I don't really appreciate using pop culture referances in arguments, since not everybody is a movie buff:)P

I think you managed to do that a few times...



I couldnt care less what links you post, my point is I dont really wanted to a minority in my own country, I dont want my child to be a minority in class..

M, Its not really fear, its frustration at the fact that England is full to birsting and the population is expected to double in the next 30 / 40 years due to immigration - they are talking about building on greenbelt land - the polution and environmental issues are other issues - we cant dispose of our **** now, how on earth are we going to do it for double the population....The countries infrastructures can cope - so what build more - we live on an island there is only so much space...these are my problems along with the fact the govenment wastes circa. £100 million a year is shameful when I'm raising money for the local childrens ward for a scanner!!!!!

You see LIR can have her view because she has already stated she feels Polish and not English so why on earth should she have any feelings towards my country

The problems in schools is just a long line of problems, which I expect will get worse and public opinion will get worse IMHO

Chaz's post was not referring to my links.........just to put the record straight.



As far as i was aware everyone can have their own viewpoint on this forum unless one is suspended. All that is happening is, people are debating and either agreeing or disagreeing with you. What is wrong with that ?

I'm not English, I was born in Wales but I am just as 'British' as you are Shelley. I'm not going to get into an argument with you and btw it isn't just your 'Country'. I'm sorry you have made that comment. :((

I don't agree with your views but I haven't made any personal attacks against anyone nor will I. I enjoy the forum as somewhere to discuss, debate and to socialise by getting to read what other posters have to say. I do believe though that it's always better to debate with fact rather than with information that may not be entirely up to date that's all.

The sole point of this was made to the poster who claimed Brits did not emigrate by the millions. I have proven him wrong.


Are you saying Briatin lost the US because of Hitler and long before he was even born? Did India also kick the Brits out with the Help of Hitler who by then was already dead?


Must be some mutual attraction

No it was referring to my link...300 years ago Daniel Defoe wrote 'The True Born
Englishman' in response to people who complained about immigrants, stating that they were English and England their country.......... History has a habit of repeating itself, as this forum sometimes shows..... Defoes words are as poignant today as they were then

to quote Defoe “From hence I only infer, that an Englishman of all men, ought not to despise foreigners as such, and I think the inference is just , since what they are today, we were yesterday, and tomorrow they will be like us”

Very poignant. Good quote Daisy, I can't believe that was written 300 years ago..........


Thanks for posting that I found it very interesting.