Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

Sorry Miranda,was meant to be sorta ironic,not a dig:)

wow man,dont give out with the negative waves;)
well,of course,im sure some westerners became involved in transporting the looted treasure out of the country,but yes,in the main,it was locals looting in the chaos left behind when the iraqi army(previously guarding the museums) disapeared,yet the coalition forces were too overstreched to replace them. Mind you,some american fire suport bases have been set up on ancient sites and completly destroyed the archeolagy but,hey,thats war Im afraid(pointless as it was,the baskets...)
darius,whats the best way to put this? get over yerself,I suppose your the worlds expert on everything like so many of your countrymen,forced to work abroad for minimum wage because,despite being geniuses they cant manage to get work at home........

fair enough.

It usually ends this way. Lack of arguments turns into baseless personal attacks. Way to go :)

he he he,LMAO big D, you were at that against me ages ago pal,all on record so,hush now l'il chil'

I think that just about sums it up!!

If you take your kids to a forgiegn country where they dont understand the language,your a pretty crappy parent unless you try and sort things out yourself. We have enough "natives" who are willing to sit back and let the state take responsobility for their kids,we dont need anymore.

rubbish.
do you have kids yourself?
then you would know that the mechanisms in childrens brains work slightly different...


when i read the newspapers it appears that this is a problem with many parents especially in the uk, as well as in many other countries where both parents are forced to work full time to make a living...
much too often over here i read about teachers being blamed for lack of care and educating the kids... well... those are still parents' tasks, not teachers'...

(looking forward to see what you call me this time)

No.

how did you work that one out?

I read the article from the original post and I expressed my opinion.

ah... that would explain it then

Did you read that article?

yes - it states clearly that the huge influx of immigrant students is having a sigficant impact on education in the uk - which is why i was a little suprised that you could state in such an assured manner that polish children, along with other immigrant children, were not harming british childrens education - i was also a little taken back that someone living neither in england or poland could have formed such a confident opinion

The only thing this article clearly states is that some schools are trying to use immigrants as a reason for fund increase. One doesn't need to live in the UK to figure that out.

the british education system is woefully under-resourced and underfunded - taking from the limited pot of resources/funds to provide english language lessons and additional support for immigrant children deprives british children of monies/resources that could have should have been spent on their education.

if you lived in the uk you might have figured this out

a few quotes from the article that clearly state the measure of the problem -

"the problem was most acute in rural areas and smaller towns, which lacked the support available in cities."

"teachers had reported greater pressure on schools from an increase in pupils who did not speak English."

"teachers had been "pulling their hair out" trying to accommodate unexpected arrivals."

"arrived with seven or eight youngsters and taken them to a GCSE English class, and none of the youngsters can speak English"

"individual schools did not have the money or the capacity to absorb large numbers of newly-arrived pupils"


if you can sit there feeling comfortable that this is not having an impact on british clidren's education then there is no point in continuing this discussion..;.

why blame polish immigrants for that?

i havent

you obviously havent read or understood what i have written

I have and I understood it perfectly well.

Read your own posts and stop attacking Polish immigrants on every occasion.

fact is, and i AM living in the uk, that the problem are not immigrant's children but the government.

if a government (anywhere on this planet) decides to let foreigners live, work and pay taxes in their country they have to take measures to accomodate all aspects of the story. FULL STOP!

blaming immigrants and their children is simply a sign of desperation and low level of education (which unfortunately doesn't enable people to see the bigger picture).

yes because Poles are only to work and pay taxes for social benefits for others ... (sic!)

We have so many places in our schools, we have so much money to spend on education - I hope you are following, its quite simple.

Our classes are now over-crowded
Funds are being spent on teaching kids English - this money should be spent on education.

The reason why Polish kids have been targeted is because of the sheer numbers they have started to arrive

An estimated 5% of the Polish population now resides in the UK...whether or not people pay tax isnt the issue - what is an issue is when the tax that is paid is absorbed by the goverment shelling out for translations and extra lessons English lessons for kids in schools

True, when are they going to put restrictions on these immigrant issues. How much more can good old blighty take?

URL

Whilst people like to think that its a minority that are unhappy about how the country is heading - this is a recent poll which tells a different story...

BS.

Things are changing very fast in modern world. Some day you UFOs will get what you are sking for.

You may make a legitimate point if you actually quote all i said which was the above + unless you as a parent take responsibiliy to help teach them.Yes, and I was also living in Spain as a kid,where it was my parents responsibility to teach me spanish.......Kids pick up languages like a sponge,adults lose that,I know,my spanish is now almost non existent.

so not sure what we are disagreeing on. Maybe you just like to argue.......
what should I call you this time? how about Bob?

G - Poland's population is only about 38.5 million, this year alone 170,000 Polish kids have arrived in Britain....so lets add the parents and the single people that come to work here and then there is the grand parents that have moved over too....

G Turn the lights off on your way out - looks like you're going to be the last to leave ;-)

definitely prefer bob to commy and lefty... ;)

unfortunately we loose languages we learnt quickly as kids once we grow up without practising them... you will see though that when you travel to spain (or southamerica) you will pick up the language within a few days...


on the topic.
sure parents have the biggest responsibility in educating their children.
and children should be helped by for example speaking the hosts language at home instead your mothertongue...
but i do certainly not believe in extra payment to take extra classes. because that is what we as foreigners pay taxes for. some arguments on here do not count.
if it is that taxes paid should NOT be used to accomodate foreign childrens needs at school, can i as a foreigner than pay less tax as my money is only to be used to educate natives???

some people have to understand that today we can not only think local anymore...

Are you really so... "unsmart" ?

1. Poles have only been paying tax for about one year, the british have been paying tax their whole lives.

2. poles pay far less local tax because they live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom flats/apartments.

3. when poles leave the country most of their tax gets rebated back to them.

the british are paying for poles in this country NOT the other way around

when I leave university I detest the idea that my taxes will not be paid to educate my children, It will be used to educate polish children. ( not that poles need an education as you dont need a degree to clean toilets)

Do all Poles in the UK live in groups of 5+ in one bedroom?



Do you know that for fact? Do you have figures to prove your theory?