Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

Everyone does, the problem at the moment in the UK kids are not getting a fair whack at it. simply because the lack of resources and diverting rescoursing to what most british think is a complete waste of money....

(a)What is the annual education budget for the UK then ? And, (b) what percentage of that is being used to assist immigrant children in 2007 ?

Are any EU grants being given to assist ?

How exacty is the "UK kids' education being affected directly as a result of the spending in (a) and (b) above ? Have you any statistics or supporting evidence to show this as well ?

everybody deserves an education

what the link says is that the sudden influx of immigrants into the uk is overstretching an already overstretched education system and having a (negative) impact on students and staff alike

it also says that teachers are at their witts end trying to accomodate the need for additional language lessons needed by some of the immigrants and are calling for additional support

Or simply using that fact as an excuse to get more funds...

there is a considerable amount of EU funding available to poles and not being used

one of the organisations i work with specialises in Comenius and Grundtvig grants available through the Life Long Learning plan and will open its polish office in the new year

the organisation works to raise awareness of the grants available, identify suitable courses for the grants to be spent on and facilitate the application process

the organisation targets teachers, specifically english language teachers

there is a lot of money available that is not being used because people just dont know about it

thats the sort of negative response we are coming to expect from you

as youre obviously a genius perhaps you could explain to british tyeachers how they can provide additional classes without additional resources

I would if I belived that they need additional resources.

lol




understandable.. so the EU should have put in place *first* the resources.. but
not knowing the full extent of how many would immigrate, they became overwhelmed.



I can see where there is concern for sure



this is similar to when they are closing schools here.. children get bussed out to
other communities and the resources are just not their, and it affects the whole
area.. and the kids suffer the most. not that its their fault nor the teachers,,, because
they do the best they can to the best of their abilities, but ultimately its govt that
does the giving and the cutting.. hopefully it gets resolved so that the children can
focus better .

I am sure they need it with the abundance of pupils and need for translators and such
why would you believe otherwise.

exactly - some resources were put in place but it appears that the british government totally underestimatted the number of poles and other nationalities that would leave their home in search of a better life in the uk

exactly - why people believe that the uk has an unlimited pot of resources to draw upon is beyond me, but obviously some of them do

so now they need to speed up the process to get these kids back on track and
provide for those who are staying.. you know, we have a lottery going, most
of these funds are supposed to go for shools ( of course corruption) but I wonder
if something like this would work there? like maybe half goes to the lucky winner
the other half to the school systems ??

hey does the UK have a lottery?? ( forgive me if that was a really stupid question) lol

I believe otherwise. That's the difference. You believe that english schools need more money, I believe otherwise. I believe they have enough funds and resources to hire new teachers or translators. I believe that just because a group of teaches said they need more funds it doesn't mean they actually need it.

the uk does have a lottery and many worthwhile causes benefit from it

but there is much contention about where the money goes and in some cases people feel that causes being funded by the lottery should be funded by the government through taxes paid

britain is also funding a war that diverts a lot of money from where it should be spent

What do you think we are some kind of endless monetry fund dude. You disagreed with something i said on a previous thread and your shite on this one really proves that you are totally and without a shadow of a doubt insane.

You nutta, sorry Admin.

yeah..so is the U.S.

same here. only we dont have over immigration. we have over crowded schools
because local govts cant get their Sh*t together. I guess education suffers all
over ..

I would like to see pay cuts put on the officials who run govt. stop taking those
vacations /spending money uselessly.

NO. You obviously misunderstood my post.

Don't call me names.

slick. I am not mocking. so dont take this wrong, but believing and going to the
board of ed and seeing whats really happening makes all the difference..

I have two girls.. if I was to send them to school in a over crowded situation I am surely
going to get majorly involved with the situation.. especially if I am paying high dollars
for education..

but I am sure the problem is within the public school system ( am I right?) to which
parents and teachers have to work together to make things work, voices. its no
doubt hard to teach a classroom of 30 kids Vs 15 kids and learning with them one on
one teaching just is impossible.. and I know, my daughter has a class of 30 kids. all
of them have different ways of learning.. some will grasp it some wont.. imagine
a class full of 30-40 kids and half are from other countries?

Cant be bothered with mindless immigrants like you ranting on about issues which they have no knowledge of - Period.

Why did you respond to my post? Did I ask you to do that?

Sure, for your kind all immigrants are mindless.

Instead of calling people "mindless" use valid arguments and try to prove your point. In case you forgot but other people are allowed to have their own opinions.

Patrycja. First of all, I never mentioned the American educational system in my posts. Your whole story is about a school in the US. Second, I never stated that some schools (both US and british) may indeed lack proper funding. Third, how does your story relate to the topic of this discussion?

Are polish pupils harming native british childrens education?

Patty was just explaining that problems happen in the US in education - now apologise for being a ****!

You have a problem with Polish kids harming British kids education because of their poor English? Well than, make it obligatory fro kids to know English language when applying to any public school. Your kid doesn't know English? Sorry mate, you have to provide your child an education on your own!

The truth is that Poles in the UK play according to YOUR RULES! If you decide that every immigrant kid that wants to go to public school must know English language, no Pole will have anything against that. Now stop being such a loser and do anything about it FFS!

PS: Why do I get the impression that this forum should change its name to theUK's-problemforums.co.uk?

it refers to it yes, but alot of schools face these problems.. doesnt have to be the U.S.
I was merely comparing. some things are similar and some arent.. so whats the problems of discussing that?



where does it state that I accused you of stating this? what are you referring to?



comparison of overcrowding! then need for more resources.. that is what.



she knows me well. knows I would never purposely hurt anyone or attempt to
and knows I have no agenda to make anyone look bad on here.. and knows that
I am a warmhearted person, just as I know she is.. some things anger us more then
we know,.. and its something we cant help because our heart is in the right place..

and as we both know those certain forum members who also would never do that.

I know I am still learning and It will never stop, not for me,, its to vast to collect it
all.. IMHO.

all children have a right to education where ever it may be poland / uk / asia / wherever - kids need to learn from their peers unfortunatly are adults always the correct role models for our childrens up bringing - so many perverts out their its untrue and our kids everytime they go online come into contact with a stranger are exposed to the adult physchie , Me personally have great aspirations for my daughter she has a private tutor funded of the back of my hard work , and she deserves the best that i can give her as every parent out their .i mean parent not someone who sits around on their arse all day waiting for things to come to them . wakey wakey people it,ll never happen , make youre children as proud as you possibly can by giving them the very best that you can , too many little13 & 14 year old wanna be thugs out their , please please please make sure that youre child always has the understanding and support of a caring loving parent and society will change for the better through our children as at the moment its full of heartache and hurt , schools are a brilliant system but we also have to give our childrens schools the very best support we can to ensure a safe enviroment & future for our children and their children too , so ask me again and you will get the same answer all our children are our future .

I agree with all of it.. and some people just cant understand or want to understand
and the crowding of children is harmful to both. I used a story to compare because
we have first hand experience of it. affecting my daughter.. moving from one school
that had more time /less children in the classroom to less time and more children in
another school. which did in fact affect her , because there was a select few that needed more attention ( because comprehension and her diability) so therefor her
grades fell and it has been a struggle to move back up the ladder since. but we
managed to , yet were not quite there all the way. its devastating though when
you cant get the help you need because of under funded schools.. I want her future
to be stable.. and so do all those Polish families who came there with good intentions
and trust.. and who can blame the teachers? they are doing 100% and fighting for
a good cause and the govt is the one who needs to step up to the plate and make
things right.

One of our teachers went on this course in August and I only got the basic gist of it, but it looks very good with many of opportunities according to her.

the grants are in the region of E1500 which can be spent on a wide number of specialist courses

in most cases the grant will cover cost of course, transport and accommodation which means virtually no additional cost for the teacher other than living expenses

Bubba could you do me a favour and post or pm me some details as I would like explore it a bit on my own.
Cheers mate :O)