What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

There is no doubt that the Slavic people today are the only real force in Europe which could in the forthcoming period resist the galloping globalization and Judaist liberalism of EU. While the Western people, British, French, Italians, Germans and all others, are already strongly negatively effected in the liberal decadent society where they lose more of their internal strength and national energy, that much on a sustainable scale is preserved of it in the East, specifically in Slavic people. We are more tied by our tradition and that which is the source in us, we are more nationally aware and we are more actually built up as people compared to those others. I must mention that without a doubt a prominent role in all of this had the time of division of the World in 2 blocks, and that firm communist system which in spite of all, managed to preserve the Eastern people from the disease of liberalism and western democracy. Because of all this we can surely confirm that the Slavic people are in reality the healthiest and cleanest part of today’s Europe.

EU is on the other side, and it represents everything which we must fight against. And how do we think of resisting such one force? Surely we cannot alone, nor individually, instead only through one broad Slavic alliance, from Triglav until Vladivostok.

Never in history, and especially not today in this kind of world, small countries could not independently build their future, instead they always, more or less, were under patronage of bigger countries and their interests. Due to this, we must be aware not to allow ourselves to be small, not to allow others to control and direct us, we must build a great Slavic nation, in the way of an alliance of nations or through the process of rebuilding again the Slavic nation.

And now I ask myself, how the Polish people expect to keep their sovereignty and national identity when they are so strongly against such arrangements with Serbia or Russia? With whom do you expect to forge an alliance? I hope that today’s status of Poland is not your ending wish, and that your membership in the EU is only a temporary sorry state of this country.

PanSlavism would definitely be in Poland’s favor, considering how in previous years your country strongly compromised itself due to open and unreserved support of America, when you were one of the rare European people which fulfilled all of their demands.

Let`s continue to explore thru articles which could help us to understand current Polish-Serbian relations...

Poland's Place In A New Europe

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,23616,00.html?iid=chix-sphere

By ALEKSANDER KWASNIEWSKI; CHRIS REDMAN

Monday, Apr. 26, 1999




I have few questions...

Why Kwasniewski didn`t use this opportunity to mention Polish-Serbian connections thru history but, point only on Russian-Serbian connections? Why would Polish politicians so strongly deflect from Serbia in situation when Serbs desperately needed help? Why Kwasniewski didn`t reverse Time`s question and put on the table new question- `Will Kosovo cause problems in Polish relations with NATO?


Serbian Institute for Public Diplomacy - News

Young professionals' network aiming to promote
the 'Serbian Colour of the European Carpet'

Tuesday, 3 July 2007

serbianinstitute.org/%C2%BB-NEWS/Welcome-to-the-Serbian-Institute-for- Public-Diplomacy---News.1.1.m182p1-186.htm



Things change. Maybe now Polish diplomacy trying to support Serbia, to hold Serbia close to Poland, like in time of Prince Adam Czartoryski.

you won’t understand Serbian way if you aren’t aware of fact that Serbs does not feel necessity to defend particularly Serbia. Serbia and all Balkan Serbs are obstacle to some powerfull anti-Slavic forces. We are heavily attacked in propaganda and open war. Many years would be needed to correct damage which is dealt to us and on the end, we would consolidate- this way or another.

Serbs are historicaly well known to all Slavs and sooner or later our Slavic brothers would recognize truth in case with events in last 15 years and, they would support us. Not to mention that there are even non-Slavic world powers which support us, in order to protect legalism in international relations.

But, on the other side, my virtual friend, you must know that on example of Yugoslavia, on example of Serbian question from Balkan to Baltic, one dream is attacked, dream about unity of all Slavs, right of Slavs to preserve their own civilization. That dream need urgent help.

For protection of that dream, for loyalty to Slavdom, we Serbs are punished and we are living targets. That`s the very essence of historical momentum

these sentiments are not popular in Poland, never have been I think and never will be. Pan-slavism in Poland is often equated with Russian domination, therefore loyalty to SLavdom, as you put it, in Poland stinks of "loyalty to Russiandom"

Our honest name- Serbs, remembered in history under many designations... Sarmatians, Rashani, Tribaly, Scordiscs, Racowie, Ratzi...

described by great Slavists... Pavel Josef Safaric, Dobrowski, Jernej Kopitar, Surowjcki, Jiricek

We- Serbs, we serve only to mother Slavia and our enemies hate us for they know that only we can make the difference. They demonized us in media knowing that only Serbian inteligentsia can show honest way for all Slavs, for we don`t give a sh** for religious differences among Slavs, we love it. We know that Slavs aren`t free and that Slavs has right to be free, to independently use their resources, to preserve their language, culture, their racial identity... and, we are ready to say it loudly and to defend those Slavic rights.

Racowie won`t lie to Poles, Racowie never did it.

and, Russians already learned that Serbs don`t want to buy their help. We would rather extinct then to batray our Samorodna Slavia. We count on Russians in the name of mother, in the name of survivor of Slavic civilizations. If they are brothers and sisters to us, they won`t forget that they are same that to Poles, to Ukrainians, to all Slavs... and, Russian power would be finaly used for global Slavic interests and that way for interests of Russia, too.

Let Chist is upon all of us

This post goes as my gift for audithorium. Little intermeco for this thread


During NATO bombardment of Serbia in 1999, one of the bast way to stay `normal` for Serbs was to listen humorous songs about NATO leaders, patriotic Serbian Chetnik songs and above everythinng songs dedicated to resistance of native Europeans. Among them, some songs were dedicated to Celts, especialy to Celtic tribe Scordiscs, foundators of Serbian Capitol Belgrade- on Serbian language but, also on Irish and English.

Even when they were outnumbered, Celts resisted, same as Serbs today, always... Decison that resist, Serbs never bring having in mind number of their opponents. For Serbs, most important are values which they tries to protect.

Orthodox Celts

SONIC GARDEN
sonicgarden.com/sonic-web/artist.cfm?artistid=5561


Some of best songs:

St.Patrick Was A Gentleman
Sindidun
Green Roses
Marie's Wedding
Rare Old Mountain Dew
Gravel Walk
Stand Up To Your Devil
Leads Me On
Rocky Road To Dublin/Down The River
Merry Sisters
Bean Na Shi
Me, Myself And Sky
Whisky You're The Devil
Far Away
Wind That Shakes The Barley/Sailor On The Rock
The Beggarman

lyricsmagnet.com/lyrics/ORTHODOX+CELTS.html

GREEN ROSES

lyricsmagnet.com/song/ORTHODOX+CELTS/GREEN+ROSES_lyrics_cylrya.html


SINDIDUN

lyricsmagnet.com/song/ORTHODOX+CELTS/SINDIDUN_lyrics_cylryl.html



These two songs sow many versions, from different authors, during NATO bombardment. I already presented one version, which is combination of these two songs.

Tell me more about this. Especially in regards to Serbia' treatment of its mentally ill children. Are they not left to rot in dungeons in their hundreds? Is this how you maintain your 'health' and 'cleanliness'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/16/wserbi a116.xml

Is this how you "resist the galloping globalization and Judaist liberalism of EU." [/quote]

Article is obviously launched as part of anti-Serbian propaganda, in order to present Serbs as bad guys in moment when Serbia resits to Kosovo separation.

Situation is Serbian mental hospitals aren’t perfect but this article greatly exaggerates. Nothing in Serbia today isn`t perfect. Our country was heavily devastated in NATO bombardment in 1999 (100 MLRD US $ damage), our economy, infrastructure, schools, mental hospitals , airports, road tunnels, bridges, factories, even our pregnant woman and children were target. We doing our best to rebuild our country and we would consolidate.

Koštunica (Serbian PM) slams health institution report

15 November 2007 | 12:53 | Source: B92, Beta, Tanjug
b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=15&nav_id=45424


Ljajic announces measures for improvement of situation in institutions for mentally challenged

srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=40881&q=mental


Government to determine responsibility for accusations of torture in hospitals for disabled

srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=40788&q=mental


Mental health strategy in Serbia

25 January 2007 | 11:38 | Source: B92
b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=01&dd=25&nav_id=3924 9

You need to tell your foreign Minister and Ambassadors about this "anti-serb propaganda" as they have admitted the validity of the accusations put to them regarding this disgusting practice. Maybe you should look into their ancestry and see if you can find any Jewish lineage. This would perhaps explain their remarks.

By the way, this is not one article. There are numerous articles about this disgrace. Numerous pieces on national and international news. The first instinct of the Serb authorities was the same as yours, the usual Serb response of crying persecution and conspiracy. This was until the evidence was shown to be overwhelming and damning. To their credit they have reacted with a call to the international community to help them with this problem that they dont have the means to sort out. It seems however from your response that not all of the Serbian authorities have got out of their old habits of media manipulation and deceit.

Crow, you're one very sick individual indeed. Now, go take your chill pills and see your psychiatrist (unless he's still busy shagging your mama).

Please refrain from posting your **** on these forums with your quasi-historical blabberings. It's really painful to read your fascist ramblings, I feel a bit sorry for you. But most of all I hope your mama will give you a real good ass whooping after reading your retarded posts.

Do I see a clash of cultures here.

Nah, not at all, madam. What on Earth made you come to that conclusion?

So, is Wroclaw as lovely as Krakow? Or even better?

Well, you have right on your oppinion but, listen what would i tell to you...

You who consider yourself as Croats, you can run but you can hide from your trechery and failure- as Slavs, as Yugoslavs, as Catholics, as Christians, some of you as former Serbs

It is you who are constant tool of German imperialism on Balkan, it is you who were and are in alliance with ugly- Bosnian, Arabic and Albanian mujaheedines. Go, speak to Poles, say them for your reasons to be in alliance with mujaheedines, to attack on Serbs togather with them, to fight side by side with them and in the same time to sand dramatic call for help all over the Catholic world, that Orthodox Serbs attacking you. Explain, why had you lied to Pope? And, you dare to say that you loved Pope John Paul

Plan of new `drang nach osten` was to prove that Orthodox Slavs can’t coexist with Catholic and Protestant Slavs. Plan was that dream about Slavic Union died. That’s why Serbs were demonized and in focus of media from so called West were Russian volunteers who coming to fight on the Serbian side. In the same time, nobady ever in media mentioned Lusatian Serbian volunteers (Catholic and Orthodox) on side of Balkan Serbs, thru history.

Your `Croatian` inteligentsia and your sponsors miscalculate. You didn`t count on Racowie factor, you didn`t expect that somebody would like to know what Serbs have to say. You underestimated Serbian historical role in Slavic world

Croatian state is already under pressure of Czech government because of destruction of Serbian autochthonous historical heritage in today’s Croatia. You compromised yourself as real German lap dog in the region with your constant pressure on Slovenia. You stealing historic, cultural and linguistic heritage of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs.

blah blah blah. Jeezus, don't you fall asleep from your neverending crap talk? Now, go watch the game on telly like all normal people do. Serbia-Poland 0-2.

Have a nice evening :)

please, don`t put Jeezus name in your mouth. Please, don`t


ha, ha so what?

Polish football is very good and i enjoy in good game

on the end it was 2:2

OK, it wasn’t best football game that i sow but Polish players were good enough. Too bad that Serbia lost chances for qualifications even before this mach with Poland.

I would say that first part of game belonged to Polish players absolutely and even part of second part. Just in some moments Serbian players had shown that they know a little about football. Anyway, i hope at least that this game was at least good training for Poland and preparation for further triumphs. Good luck Poles! Beat them all!

Euro 2008: Goodnight Vienna, as Serbia crash out

22 November 2007 | 12:33
b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=11&dd=22&nav_id=45626




Serbia draw against Poland

Author: | 22.11.2007 - 10:19
blic.co.yu/sports.php?id=1104


Poles in Belgrade, Serbia

Want to keep informed my Polish brothers and sisters... you would found that it is good to know what evil neigbor doing to other Slavs

[i went on google and inserted two key words `germany on kosovo`], after examing results, among else i found this..

look what is in head of one average Albanian (if you are familiar with mind blowing German concept suggested for Balkan in WWII about SS Muslim/Semitic divisons, you would understand)

stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/gemany-and-kosovo-374776.html


Events in the spring (before) of Civil War in former Yugoslavia, one German admits- Germany was very active in the region...

Germany and the Kosovo

April 2000
matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/germany-and-the-kosovo

How Germany paved the way to the Kosovo War · By Matthias Küntzel

Contribution to the 2nd International Hearing of the European Tribunal concerning Nato’s war against Yugoslavia. Hamburg, April 16, 2000 [1]


Germany urges support for Kosovo blueprint

18 Jan 2007 18:43:42 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Karin Strohecker
alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L18173380.htm


Do you believe THEM Poles? Bater ask, what is their next `humaniterian` mission ...

"The Goal Was Exclusively Humanitarian"

October 25, 2006
spiegel.de/international/0,1518,444727,00.html


Kosovo's future

The waiting game
Sep 27th 2007
From The Economist print edition
economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=9867262

European Union decisions will be crucial to the future of Kosovo—and Serbia


Eyewitness to Genocide in Kosovo: Kosovo-Metohija and the Skenderbeg Division

by Carl Savich
kosovo.net/albnazi.html




Germany Stores Nuclear Waste in Kosovo and Metohija

June 22, 2000
serbia-info.com/news/2000-06/22/19595.html

Need cooperation on this... anyone is welcome to answer :)

I want to found out, how are Poles informed about former Yugoslavia. Just few easy questions (please don`t seek in some source of info now, just say what first come to your mind) ...

What you know about internal organization of former Yugoslavia? How Yugoslavia was created as state and when? Did you ever heard about terms- first and secund Yugoslavia? How finished first Yugoslavia? What first come to your mind when think about Yugoslavia? Do you connects memory on Yugoslavia with some good thoughts or only with bad?


When I give my comment on your reply, it would be just short feed back, just to confirm is it answer correct or not. I won`t try to turn this into disscusion about events in case with collapse of YU. Only, if somebody ask some dirrect question I would say what I know (honestly of course).

braking walls of anti-Serbian propaganda, keeping Poles informed ... about fact that they are also target for Muslim extremists, from the moment when Poles refused to be manipulated and decided to protect innocent Serbian civilians on Kosovo ...


Polish officer killed by Kosovo bomb

news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/europe/560627.stm


Kosovo Protection Corps

Kosovo Protection Corps (KPC or TMK in Albanian) Logo

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Protection_Corps

Controversy Swirls Over the Landmine Deaths of Polish NATO Soldiers in Macedonia

ceeol.com/aspx/issuedetails.aspx?issueid=08b911d9-ed23-42ed-b2cb-66f0c a23a950& articleId=851da04e-e5fa-4e66-9237-cdf1bac732c4


Polish tank regiment leaves for Kosovo mission
english.peopledaily.com.cn/200609/05/eng20060905_299533.html


NOTE: place names are obviously Slavic/Serbian but with Albanian majority today. Think- how come to that and ask yourself where are Serbs and who expelled them.

NATO Watches Two Polish Soldiers Die; US, NATO Cover For Killers

mail-archive.com/antinato@topica.com/msg08036.html


Hitler`s restaurant In Kosovo (Albanian Hitler Wannabe)

freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1795948/posts


MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENCE VISITS POLISH SOLDIERS IN KOSOVO
2007-08-09

mon.gov.pl/en/artykul/3385

A very strong statement that I agree with...The Kosovo situation is a blatant attempt to
dismember the Serb nation, especially since Kosovo has such powerful historical importance to the Serbian people...But maybe you could help me, as I am ignorant or have been exposed to biased Western coverage on certain issues regarding the Serbs:
What was the Serb reasoning/stance in the Bosnian War?...we have all been told stories of Serb atrocities against Croats, Muslims etc...maybe you can help set the record straight for me...was Serbia fighting to preserve what was left of the former Yugoslavia, or did she feel her people in Bosnia were being exposed to extreme danger?...can you educate me on this?

Well, seams that Serbs aren`t alone after all. Slavdom still has to say few words.

Thanks to Polish, Czech, Slovak and Slovenian attitude, Hungaria agreed to support joint statement of Visegrad group, no matter that Hungaria strongly reflex German interests in the region and in fact is very hostile on Serbia and Slovakia. Seams that Poland and Czeska still control situation in Visegrad group- may Christ bless them.

Visegrad Four countries not in agreement on Kosovo's independence

ceskenoviny.cz/news/index_view.php?id=286111





In the same time Greeks are about to show their true face. As they like to say for them and Italians- `una faca una rasa` . They have common plan for Slavs. When come the time for dealing with Slavs, Greeks and Italians aren`t divided over Orthodox/Catholic divisions, oh no, they are just THEY when come the moment. Yes, we recognized them from long time ago

Greece yielded on Kosovo in exchange for Macedonia's name

Athens /11/12/ 14:27
makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=93970&NrIssue=527&NrSection=20

Greeks strongly support you.Do not find non-existent enemies.
Be a little reasonable.Hungary connects its attitude for Kosovo with the fate of Hungarians living in Serbia.If Kosovo gains independance,they will lose their chance.
Do not count on Czechs and Slovaks.They will change their attitude after some pressure.

I doubt, Hungarians consist minority in Vojvodina. If they would be afraid of Serbian supremacy then they should rather support Serbia on this one. More non-Serbs would reduce influence if Belgrade. Infamous Hungarian PM from post-communist party will be loyal to Brussels bureaucracy, he will support what they will support.




I would even agree with this but Slovakia recently sounds very pro-Russian. They refused to recognize Ukrainian genocide under pressure from Moscow. This is possible that Kremlin try to pressure them again on Serbian issue. Another reason for Slovakia to support Belgrade is strong Hungarian minority in this country. Nationalist are in coalition and their leader Jan Slota support Serbia.

Then, maybe they just has strange way to present their `support`


I won`t comment are they enemy or not. We would learn that soon. But, for sure all outside of family (non-Slavs) are just strangers to me. We can cooperate but, we have our way


you need to reformulate this statement. You aren`t clear on this issue

Many times, official Hungary and some Hungarian political parties in Voivodina suggested rights on secession for Albanians on Kosovo and for Hungarian minority in Serbia (north of Voivodina).


Truth is that i don`t believe to politicians of any kind. But I know Czechs (Bohemians, Moravians, Silesians) and I know Slovaks. That`s enough to me


maybe, after some pressure Slavs stop to exist as Slavs. What about that?

You know the government has to comply always with EU but the people do not give a damn.Are you interested in government's or people's support?Only Greeks and Russians sent you armed forces during the war.



Why do you want to isolate yourself?There are nations which are slavophilic.



Yes,it is a double edged knife.If Serbia now gets dismembered,then members of EU maybe are not going to accept a new dismemberment in favour of Hungary.It will be too much and not everybody wants Serbia so weak or wants to strengthen Hungary.



The public in these countries for sure supports you although they did not support you during the war.(due to heavy media propaganda).



For European Union politics there are no Slavs.

from latin: Cracoviensis

I travel tomorrow in Slovenia for three days, because of bussines and for private reasons

trip should in return include Dalmatia and Lika of my ancestors from fathers side. I don`t need to tell you how is that emotional to me- Crow on Crow`s lake, lake today without Crow clan, without Serbs at all

Here is one joke for you and auditorium, little of black humor...

``Summer, German enjoy on sun somewhere on Adriatic coast in Dalmatia (today`s Croatia). Then, he ask- Where are those Serbs. Well, 1/4 was exterminated, 1/4 was transformed into Croats, 1/4 was expelled on the left side of Drina river (in Serbia) and 1/4 work in Germany- somebody answer to him. What?!- said German- Why then people complain on Hitler, that was among his priorities.``

That looks like Latin for '(originating) from Kraków'.
I may be wrong, but that is how -ensis is normally used.

BDW that -sis is the Egyptian/Carthaginian influence in Latin. Just don`t ask me how come to that. You know answer very well

and, when somebody from so called West start to talk you about THEIR West, about THEM as old Europeans, about late arrival of Slavs in Europe, just give him/her an easy smile with condolences and understandings. Then, slowly explain with self-confidence- Slavs are last native Europeans. Original West. That`s how it is.

But not the only.