What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

This is the whole fuking issue. This is not Kosovar land to begin with...

But, Serbs are on their own, even legally and, within their internationaly suvereign borders.

Brother. I am very sad with the announcement by Tusk today.. He has betrayed true sentiment towards the Serbs, by selling himself to the Americans and the EU.

Please know that this is a very unpopular recognition and will be protested.

Yeah the streets are full of protesters!!! I mean....wait....never mind that was just an old woman going to the shop.

Doesn't look like anyone really cares.

If he sold only himself there would be no problem.The fact is he sold polish interests with this recognition.

A very sad day today. I mourn our loss, and Polands poltical treason.

i am guessing that the serbs will trun their guns on poland next, eh?

I would not be surprised. NATO coalition troops from Poland will now have their hands full with Serbs.

Why?! Poles didn`t turn their guns on Serbs. Thanks God

as for politicians, i don`t give a sh**


somebody invested a lot of in Slavic divisions and killing us one by one, taking our land step by step. Only questions are who is next, where is next target?

Maybe you do not bracie, but I am sure there will be many Serbs that do not feel this sentiment towards Poland now that they have betrayed them.

You cannot have normal ties with someone who does not recognize your own borders so as a sign of protest the ambassador will be withdrawn, diplomatic level downgraded. Relations will likely not be normalized until this decision is hopefully overturned. Donald Tusk requested Boris Tadić for extra security for the Polish embassy which unfortunately happens to be right next to the US embassy.

It's a shame from the aspect of historic ties that were built over centuries, I hope the Serbs realize this was done by a few corrupt individuals, and not the Polish nation as a whole. At least they should consider that Warsaw had to follow what it was told to by America and it was not one of the leading voices.

In this difficult time for Serbia, there is hardly any need to make it any worse. There was no need to rush like ducks into the fog. Apart from the US missile defence shield, this will only add to Polish-Russian unresolved issues.

But the question is, if the government of Poland is acting against the will of their own people, who are they supposed to represent but those who elected them to office?

Is this the so called democracy. EU shamelessly bowed it’s head at America’s demands and failed it’s biggest test – Kosovo.

Belarus.
Serbs will never attack polish embassy.

taking Kosovo from Serbs is serious thing and any Polish politicians who taken part in that made serious blow in Polish-Serbian (Polish-Slavic in general) strategic relationship (for now not that much in relations of ordinary people).

Poland strategicaly always could counted on Serbs. For example in case of sudden German attack on Poland in 24 hours you would have 1000-5000 Serbian voluneteers in arms willing to bleed for Poland just over Slavic connections. In 48 hours it could be even 10000 volunteers and in next few days that could be even more then 50000 Serbian voluneers, etc, etc. Before this with Kosovo, even Russins, Byelorussian and Ukrainians, Slovaks, Czechs, Bulgarians- would be willing to fight and bleed for Poland in masses.

Then, in last 18 years official Poland showed simpathy for German creation of Greater Croatia and, Croats (true ethnic Croats from Zagreb, Krizevci and Varadin) wouldn`t fight for Poland in case of German attack but they would come to Poland to exterminate Polish children togather with Germans.

Imagine that Germany change its policy on Poland after some time in situation that hipotehticaly Serbs lost Kosovo due to Greater Albania. Remember, Poland is first Slavic country which officialy supported Greater Albania. Even little Slovenia (president country of EU) endured untill now, no matter all USA/EU pressure. You feel that Polish strategic climate changed, cooled?

All in all, whole Slavdom losing. But, responsibility is only on Polish politicians.

OK Crow if this is the case where were you the last 60 + years where Poland was being held captive by "Communism"?

Not applicable. Serbs had moral support for Poles. They had enough of their own troubles...

Nah...Russia is serbian friend....they are slavs....they are gooooood!
Poles were happy with pan-slavic friends!



Don't hold your breath Crow...:)

Well maybe this is why Kosovo is independent, you seem to have a need to control what you can and kill the rest. How can anyone live under this type of threat?

You can count on the same, going from Poland, Bracie Wrona (Crow)...



Perhaps, as a friend, you can come over to our side? Or else.. we shall be squared off, fruend ; )

Sorry to say that Filios...but pan Crow is no side to chose actually. He lost touch with reality as all his anti-german conspiracy talks shows!

Maybe he just needs an enemy to feel better, who knows....

Why Germany? Let's say Russia attacks. Where is Serbia then? Where are all the slavs? I bet Germans would come and fight for Poland sooner than the Serbs would.

(most likely because the EU would make Germans help, but they would be here non-the-less)

No answer here from you Crow???

Now why am I not surprised....

He's out burning flags



In the 12 months he has being coming to the forum there have been none of those ;-) Just rantings of a mad man!

speaking hipotheticaly... [in case of obvious agressive war on Poland]

In case of sudden attack by Russia on Poland, Serbs would protest in front of Russian embasy same as they protest today, bacause of Kosovo situation, in front of USA embasy. All Slavs would be alarmed and Russian government would suffer humiliaten loss

Serbs would urge via connections in Slavic world and do whatever they can to stop mutual Russian-Polish destruction. Serbs would be decisive factor (of factors outside of Russia) which would push Russian governmnet in dirrection of peace. But, don`t expect that Serbs take part in mutual Slavic destruction, on the side of Poland or Russia- dirrectly as militarely support

For the sake of Mother Slavia, Russian people would listen us.


Christ bless you brate!


Crow is businessman and patriot in the same time

First i produce flags and then help in burnings those flags. Money is in the middle of process and nobody burning money, nobody complaint

Currently, i preparing flags: of Grunwald battle, of King Sobiesky and flag of Kaoscusko rebbels, plus flag of Serbian Racowie which was taken from Ras to Poland after call from Poland was received. Plan is to distribute flags and suggest their use when Serbian forces start to return on Kosovo (this would be given as donation, not for money!). We shell see reaction of Polish police and soldiers

i guess Russians won`t attack Serbs then ;)


12 months? already?

is it possible


you got the answer


because you have evil thoughts

Yes...I wondered!

So...no coming to help in arms if it's a slavic country doing the opressing and killing?
Like Poland till 1989? Can't quite remember the mass demonstrations in Belgrade to force russians to see the light...do you?

You are so lame Crow!

Serbian media about split in Polish political elite in case with Serbian Kosovo issue...

Warsaw: Gov't recognizes Kosovo, president against

26 February 2008 | 15:30 | Source: B92, Beta
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=02&dd=26 &nav_id=47990

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Serbian public resisted to Soviet Union and refused to follow Soviet model. Serbia/Yugoslavia wasn`t in Warsaw pact, while Poland was (influental member).

So, how could Serbs protest for liberty of Poland when Poland was in Warsaw pact which oppresed Serbs (Yugoslavs in general)?

But, when Warsaw pact/Soviet Union opressed Czeskoslovakia, Serbs protested to support their Slavic brothers and sisters. Many refuges from Czeskoslovakia found shelter in Serbian towns.


you are a little bigger lame then me

Kosowo to Serbia - Kosovo je Srbija!



Why was important to take Czechoslovakia before WW2



Occupation of Czechoslovakia 1968 (CT2) #1



Czechoslovakia 1968 Part 2

Crow, soon Serbs and other Slavs will be singing this sad song dedicated to Kosovo.. unless somehow..

A very good and promising Macedonian singer that was very popular here as well: He passed away in October in a car crash..

youtube.com/watch?v=08j0lWFqRo4

Tose Proeski- Con Te Partiro (Time to Say Goodbye)
RIP, Macedonian brother...

brate, you are wrong. You think in wrong direction even when defend Serbian position in some cases.

It’s because you don’t have information’s and to illustrate tragic situation of Polish journalism/informative media and catastrophic reasoning (based on BBC, CNN, ITN, etc) of some members of Polish intelligentsia, i would tell you one amazing fact. That fact is truth that- your understandings of current situation depend on people like Southern or me. People like you (who deserve my great respect) depend on free minded Serbs, well informed, who are ``internet junkies`` and pledge to invest part of their free time to share facts with their Polish brothers and sisters and (!) not only for the good of Serbia/Serbian people but with same passion for the good of Poland and Slavs in general. So, if you are lucky, after reading what i wrote in some of my quotation, you would investigate on your own and then you would learn.

and...

before you possible answer on this reply, one more thing

I’m not selfish man and i wouldn’t ``eat`` historic credibility of Racowie (Serbs) which they have among Poles if i`m not sure that Serbian position is 100% right. How could i dare to do something like that?!? So, i don’t doing that.

If their is any chance that i`m wrong or that i am aware of some Serbian failure, which deserve to be object of punishment which was given to Serbs from USA and EU... i would simple come among Poles and tell them: ``Poles, you remembered Serbs as Racowie in your history and you know that Serbs were above divisions of Slavs on Catholics and Orthodox, you know that Serbs were always devoted to Slavdom, that Serbs sacrificed a lot of for Slavdom... BUT, i must tell you my brothers and sisters, we- Serbs now mistaken and i as young Serb ask (beg) you to forgive us for our failure.``

That would i tell IF i have something to admit, as a Serb.

But, I don’t have to admit anything!!! My conciseness is clear, so help me Our Lord Jesus Christ

We Serbs didn’t attack anybody. We Serbs defended ourselves and our civilians from the cruel and combined attacks of numerous foes. Nor ordinary Serbs, nor Serbian intelligentsia, nor Serbian state had demonic plans for crimes on others- non Serbs. We didn’t fail as Slavs, as Christians or as Europeans, as humans after all. Its not Serbs who committed genocide but, Serbs were victims of continual genocide and ethnical cleansing committed on us by our foes (1941-1945; 1991-1995; 1999-2008).

Its not Serbs who failed, its not our sin. God and time would judge to those who blamed us (in merciless propaganda war) and spilled our innocent blood (in open war against us). God would arrange that our children walk with dignity one day and that THEIR children feel shame because of that what was done to Serbs.

So, when i say Racowie to Poles here, its not manipulation with feelings of Poles (as some people here accused me). No, far from that. It’s a scream of wounded.


In the same time, I can inform you that it is truth that some Serbs did some crimes during Civil War in former Yugoslavia and during Kosovo conflict in 1997-1999. Those were crimes of some criminals who had their own personal names. Those are their personal crimes, not crimes of Serbian state or Serbian society (nor of Serbia, nor of Bosnian, or Krajina Serbs). Those are crimes of Serbs to choosed wrong way to defend rightfull Serbian positions. Sometimes, those were crimes of Serbs who would fail anyway, with war situation or without conflict situation (speaking about criminals). In the moment when those crimes occurred, those crimes were condemned by Serbian people, by Serbian intelligentsia, by institutions of Serbian state. Condemned and punished.

Considering chalanges and agony which Serbs went thru I can say that i am satisfied with attitude and behavior of Serbs (in general, as individuals, as a nation and as a society) in last 18 years and I can say to you- Poles… no, Serbs didn’t failed.

URL

"...Mladic and Karadzic were the military and political leaders, respectively, of the Bosnian Serbs during the 1992-1995 war that split the former Yugoslavia apart. Both have been indicted by the UN tribunal for genocide and, in particular, for their alleged involvement in the slaughter of an estimated 8,000 Muslim men and boys in the eastern Bosnian enclave of Srebrenica in 1995.

Mladic was last seen in Belgrade in 2006 and is believed to live under the protection of hard-line elements in the Serb military. Karadzic has not been seen since 1998. UN war crimes prosecutors believe that he might be sheltered by the nationalist clergy within the Serbian Orthodox Church...."


You are a liar Crow!

Unfortunately Poland couldn't pay the political price for not recognizing Kosovo..... we all know that Serbia is partly responsible for what has happened, so lets not be so angry with Poland.

Crow, don't make out Serbs as innocent. The truth is that the KLA(linked to Al Queda) started a war for independence of Kosovo in the early 90's and Serbia responded in kind. Now I support Serbia because they did not start this war. However there response was taken to the extreme by killing every muslims that they think was part of the KLA. the truth is that the majority weren't and many innocent people died. Now Serbia should be punished for killing indiscrimanately however the KLA should not be rewarded in the process since they started the war.. the best option would have been if Serbia handed over all war criminals and maybe this would not have happened. however they didn't... so now this horrible thing has happened. Neither Serbia or Kosovo is innocent. What to do? IMO Serbia should have been punished with sanctions for not handing over war criminals and pay restitution to the surviving family members, however in the process be able to keep kosovo..
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Its not polands fault why should Poland have to pay the political price for the mistakes of Serbia and KLA.... Serbia should have handed over all war criminals and not put Poland and the world in such a difficult position...