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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 28, 08, 14:38  #511

Its interestsing that i can easely answer to your accusations on the account of Serbs using on the first place western sources (links) and even particulary Polish sources.

What that telling to us?

It telling to us that western intellectual/political elite (Polish, too) very well knows what happened during dissolution of Yugoslavia (in Civil War and in Kosovo conflict) but, Serbs have to be sacraficed becuase of geo-strategic interests of hostile non-Slavs.

Just imagine scandal in the moment when truth win. That scandal would shake fundamental principles of United Nations and international order.

matthias wrote:
so lets not be so angry with Poland

i`m not angry with Poland. God forbid

I just want to say that those representatives of Polish elite (for sure, small part but in power) who today sold Serbs, tomorrow would sold Poles. They today accepted partition of Serbia, tomorrow partition of Poland.

to say, you have traitors in your ranks, my brothers and sisters. Deal with it, don`t close your eyes in front of that fact.

and, those traitors aren`t only Slavic traitors but also traitors of true European, Christian and also particulary Catholic values (mentined- because most of Poles are Catholics).

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matthias
  Feb 28, 08, 15:04  #512

Poland is never going to be partitioned.... be realistic and stop trying to scare us because its not working.... Listen Serbs got screwed, I don't deny it.... But it would not be in Polands interest to fight this.....

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 28, 08, 16:14  #513

matthias wrote:
Poland is never going to be partitioned.... be realistic and stop trying to scare us because its not working

i don`t trying to scare Poles but all right, i won`t talk about it anymore

matthias wrote:
Listen Serbs got screwed, I don't deny it

but you can`t even imagine how much Serbs got screwed, no matter that you don`t deny it (something)

also, just wait to see how Poland greately failed to support Serbs. Poland wasn`t able to do anything, nor for Catholic Serbs (NOTE- i don`t speak about Croats), nor for Orthodox Serbs

How is possible that great and important Catholic country such is Poland (Polish public) don`t know anything about tragedy of Catholic Serbs??? How is possible that Polish inteligentsia failed to support survivor of Catholic Serbs, as Serbs??????

On the other side, story about Racowie in Poland is story about Orthodox Serbs from Ras Serbian land (region close to Kosovo in today`s Serbia). Is it possible that Polish political elite failed to support Racowie (Orthodox Serbs) on the first place because of prejudices on Orthodox Slavs in general?

Polish elite failed over Catholic solidarity. Then, failed over Slavic solidarity. Failure after failure, whenever we talk about attitude of Polish elite on Serbs.

matthias wrote:
But it would not be in Polands interest to fight this.....

Then, what is in Poland`s interest?


Bratwurst Boy wrote:
You are a liar Crow!

The REAL Srebrenica Genocide



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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Feb 28, 08, 16:45  #514

polands interest is to weaken Russia as much as possible.... like it or not Poland and Russia are in a competition to have influence and shape the direction of countries in eastern Europe still not part of Nato and EU..

Im sorry for Serbia, I hope that you get Kosovo back, but we can't have Russia win this political war, so you must do it on your own..

Maybe if Serbia wasn't so close to Russia, I would be more aggressive in denouncing Kosovo..

btw Most Poles support Serbia..however poland is powerless to stop what happened.. Im sorry Poland just can't afford to suffer along with Serbia..

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 28, 08, 17:07  #515

matthias wrote:
polands interest is to weaken Russia as much as possible.... like it or not Poland and Russia are in a competition to have influence and shape the direction of countries in eastern Europe still not part of Nato and EU..

Im sorry for Serbia, I hope that you get Kosovo back, but we can't have Russia win this political war, so you must do it on your own..

Maybe if Serbia wasn't so close to Russia, I would be more aggressive in denouncing Kosovo..

NOW, you said truth. Exactly. It`s the very essence why Serbs are abandened and batrayed from both- Russia and Poland. But, Serbian inteligentsia already must be aware of this

So, nor exclusively Russia`s, nor exclusively Poland`s interests shouldn`t win. It`s selfish and Slavs are too weak to survive your endless competition

Slavic interets should win, with respect on some unique local interests. Serbian inteligentsia should lead enslaved Slavic people into freedom- its obvious.


Don`t forget, matthias. All modern day Slavic nations are in fact conglomerate of different ancient Slavic ethoses and tribes. So, competition between Poland and Russia is competition between two inteligentsia`s from inside the Slavic world. It is competition of two concepts of Slavic world.

Serbian inteligetsia should offer new concept, not neceserely for Unity of Slavs. It could also be about Alliance or simple about free and independent Slavic world- alternative world.

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matthias
  Feb 28, 08, 17:16  #516

Listen it is Russia perpetuating this competition not Poland... If Russia accepted the loss of its former glory, this would not be an issue... However Russia rather use gaszprom as a political tool, threaten Poland with nukes, orchestrate cyber attacks on estonia and many other blunders.. Serbia should be problem with Russia for causing Slavic turmoil not with poland many other slavic countries on Polands side...

I can list many slavic countries that support Poland... I only know a couple that support Russia...

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 28, 08, 17:25  #517

matthias wrote:
I can list many slavic countries that support Poland... I only know a couple that support Russia...

just, while you make that list note that public in Slavic countries support Serbia and Serbs, not Polish or Russian governmant. That makes Serbian inteligentsia leading force of Slavic world.

There is no debt about it now. Center of Slavic world is Belgrade, old core.


Never again house of slavery for Slavs!

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matthias
  Feb 28, 08, 17:48  #518

Im sorry but Poland has more support then Serbia.... If what you say is true.... Kosovo would not be recognized..

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Feb 28, 08, 18:09  #519

matthias wrote:
Poland is never going to be partitioned....


I wouldn't be so sure ;) maybe it looks different in USA (where you live) ;-)

From the other hand Jews invest bilions dollars in Warszawa and apply for Polish citizeship so you can be right ;-)

Crow wrote:
There is no debt about it now. Center of Slavic world is Belgrade, old core.


but you failed Yugoslavia was your project and failed.

honestly Crow Albanians started, yes it is true. What is more I am 100% sure you wouldn't be here (on PL forum) if you wouldn't have problem with Kosovo.

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Dice
Edited by: Dice  Feb 28, 08, 18:18  #520

Lukasz wrote:
Poland is never going to be partitioned....


I wouldn't be so sure

Lukasz what are you smoking? Whatever it is and whatever you paid for it, it sure was worth the money, because booooy you are high.
Serbs have committed genocide in Bosnia right under the noses of the UN and Europe and that is what the West is trying to avoid this time around. Nobody wants another bloodbath in Europe, espacialy when Russia is stirring it up.
Serbs if anybody are to blame because of the genocide, hiding the guilty and blindly fallowing Russia.

Did you think that the Russkis were going to help you when the sh!t hits the fan? BTW, where are they now? Mr. Crow and the others, tell me; where are the Russians, are they helping you now? Did they rescue you in 1995? What the hell were you thinking?

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matthias
  Feb 28, 08, 18:20  #521

Lukasz, whose going to parition Poland? if anything Russia...that's why we need to have a good relationship with US

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southern
  Feb 28, 08, 18:36  #522

Dice wrote:
Serbs have committed genocide in Bosnia right under the noses of the UN and Europe and that is what the West is trying to avoid


It was these noses which were not cut in first place and got involved in Bosnia supporting mujahendins.

Dice wrote:
where are the Russians, are they helping you now? Did they rescue you in 1995?


Yieltsin was not able to help himself,let alone Serbia.Now Russia is much more powerful and can get results.Some may want to provoke them but when they have the chance and get invited they get their presence.

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Dice
Edited by: Dice  Feb 28, 08, 18:48  #523

All I'm saying, Southern, is that you are not playing this game right, that's for sure. It's not working out for you, is it? Serbia seems to be betting a lot and losing every hand.
Look how the successful countries are living: peacefully with their neighbors, joining EU, becoming economical powers. Maybe Serbia could learn from them a thing or two and fallow the peaceful path for a change?
Oh, wait, they can’t because of "ancient Slava". Oh well.

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ShelleyS
  Feb 29, 08, 03:20  #524

Dice wrote:
Look how the successful countries are living: peacefully with their neighbors, joining EU, becoming economical powers


Some people are too fixed on the past to move forward and unfortunately Serbia has to start to move forward before they have any chance of every joining the EU. Slovenia are members and Croatia are not far behind, whilst they have some difficulties to overcome with the goverment and reforms, it wont be long.

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Crow
  Feb 29, 08, 11:32  #525

Bratwurst Boy wrote:
You are a liar Crow!

Serbia's Innocence



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jones101
Edited by: jones101  Feb 29, 08, 11:39  #526

Yeah lets bombard a website with propaganda videos and ultranationalist slogans and articles.

THAT is a sure way to the way of life you want.

Serbs seem to do this a lot on a lot of websites.....I guess when its all you can do its all you can do.

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southern
  Feb 29, 08, 12:09  #527

Would you like to reopen the case of Milosevic and what happened in trial or is this very irrelevant and insulting?

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Crow
  Feb 29, 08, 12:16  #528

jones101 wrote:
Yeah lets bombard a website with propaganda videos and ultranationalist slogans and articles.

THAT is a sure way to the way of life you want.

Serbs seem to do this a lot on a lot of websites.....I guess when its all you can do its all you can do.



you are just jelous because Serbs are obviously right and now you spit on Serbs on a lot of websites.....I guess when its all you can do its all you can do.

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jones101
  Feb 29, 08, 12:29  #529

Jealous of Serbia?

There isn't enough sarcasm in the world to respond to that.

You have clearly illustrated your delusional state for all to see.

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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Feb 29, 08, 12:40  #530

matthias wrote:
Lukasz, whose going to parition Poland? if anything Russia...that's why we need to have a good relationship with US


OK maybe not partitoned ;-) If USA will fall down (or lost influcence) and EU will be unsuccesful it will be Russian satelite.

Lets hope in will not happen.

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jones101
  Feb 29, 08, 12:50  #531

I am aware no country can maintain superiority militarily or financially forever...but if anyone thinks the USA will lose its position at the top of the heap in the lifetimes of anyone on this board now...you are dreaming.

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matthias
  Feb 29, 08, 12:53  #532

Lukasz, with that statement I 100% agree.... This is why its in Polands interest for the US to win the war on terror.... It really doesn't need to be said though, because its clear every Polish governemnt so far realizes this....

America provides a nice balance in Europe, if we like it or not......

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 29, 08, 12:55  #533

jones101 wrote:
Jealous of Serbia?

There isn't enough sarcasm in the world to respond to that.

You have clearly illustrated your delusional state for all to see.

Eeeeeeej, you beggining with insults??!

listen...

Vanish in the night as unsatisfied female of hummingbird!

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jones101
  Feb 29, 08, 12:56  #534

How about....no.

It's the internet studly...you don't have any authority here.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Feb 29, 08, 13:06  #535

Serbia orders ambassadors to three countries home

28 February 2008 | 20:03 | Source: B92
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=02&dd=28 &nav_id=48053

BELGRADE -- Serbia has reacted to decisions to recognize Kosovo's unilateral secession by Poland, Switzerland and Austria.



jones101 wrote:
How about....no.

all right. Then it is....no.

jones101 wrote:
It's the internet studly...you don't have any authority here.

Aaaahh, don`t you see what is this???!!!

This is last line of defence of Polish democracy! The very last tower. Here, Poland said- ENOUGH. Here, Poland walk with dignity. Here, ends rule of corrupt Tusk and his moronic cabinet which sold Racowie and here, beggining freedom

Long live Slavic Poland! Long live Polishforums.com!

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jones101
  Feb 29, 08, 13:10  #536

Yeah sure...well it will be good for the Pharmaceutical companies at least.

Lots of anti psychotic meds are obviously needed in Serbia.

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Crow
  Feb 29, 08, 13:24  #537

jones101 wrote:
Yeah sure...well it will be good for the Pharmaceutical companies at least.

Lots of anti psychotic meds are obviously needed in Serbia.

well... could be.

i know for case of girl which was sure that guided missiles are in fact some kind of giant falus simbols and that NATO in fact, methaphisicaly rape Serbia

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southern
  Feb 29, 08, 14:46  #538

Lukasz wrote:
it will be Russian satelite.


Russia is not interested in Poland.Only for strategic reasons it has an eye on Poland.

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Crnogorac
  Feb 29, 08, 17:00  #539

Protests in Stuttgart, Germany ****, ****, NATO Pact hahahaha

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jones101
  Feb 29, 08, 18:55  #540

Yeah ...hahaha....stupid kids with an excuse to be vandals. Good luck getting things changed with people like that representing you.

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