What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

I just hope the rest of the Poles have more backbone than this! I can't believe Poland to be that helpless (especially without the rear threat from Germany). Is this the Polish tradition to either butcher the bottom of any invader or if fail, make it die of excrutiating indigestion???


God must have been playing a sick joke upon mankind by forcing them to choose between the US and Russia. Just pray the Devil is much kinder by pointing out which one is the lesser of his kin!

These are things that were not reported by the "unbiased" CNN, BBC. After the fall of Srebrenica I saw a video cassete of Al-Qaeda terrorists playing football with Serbian heads, that was recovered from the site by the Bosnian Serb army.

Bosnian Muslims with Mujaheedin fighters from the Middle East in their ranks, controlled Srebrenica from 1992 - 1995 and during that time killed 3,870 Serbian civillians in the town and surrounding villages mostly elderly men, women and young children.



Their general Naser Orić who was the most responsible as a commanding officer for mass murder of Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats was sentenced to 2 years in prison at the Hague Tribunal, which is a complete travesty of justice. If I robbed a convenience store in London I would have received a higher penalty.

When the Bosnian Serb army liberated Srebrenica in 1995 and found out what had happened to their relatives, they showned no mercy, and who can blame them for pulling the trigger? At least they had the decency to ship off women and children in buses, while they executed along with the terrorists men of fighting age whom they presumed were involved in these atrocities. The Bosnian Serb general Krstić received a sentence of 46 years in prison by that same Hague Tribunal.



This man Radovan Karadžić for me is a hero and not a war criminal, the Bosnian Serbs will never forget that he saved them from the fate that is now experienced by Kosovo Serbs. This is why they will never surrender him to NATO despite being offered 5 million US $ for his capture. Thanks to him the only thing El Mujahedeen Unit is doing right now is fertilizing the earth on which they once stood.



To the obvious dissapointment of their supporters and sponsors, who armed and trained them and financially backed them.

Both sides are sick and have done horrible things. Both try and justify it and both fail. If Serbs think because they are white slavs they are superior and justified then they are as insane as those they hate.

SOOOOOOO glad I don't have to live in such a nasty place.

Yes living in the place where Columbine, Virgina Tech, Illinois shootings where students empty a charger or two at other faculty members, teachers, fellow classmates, are becoming a common occurance, it sure seems like paradise. Not to mention that you constantly have to look over your shoulder when entering an airplane or the metro.

A country that illegally invaded Iraq, killed its legally elected president, sons, grandsons, and caused 1 million deaths. Based on false accusations that Saddam had links with Al-Qaeda and weapons of mass distruction. Any luck finding them? A country which is even as we speak preparing to invade Iran.

So you can get off your high horse because all these wars were planned and executed in your own country.

Nah I will stay on the horse since the view from up here is much better than yours.

Who stands on a hill, even a small one,
sees more than he who stands below the hill.
Some things I see more clearly than you do.

perhaps his horse is standing on a hill

Yep....the richest and most powerful hill in the world at the moment. That will surely change at some point in history but not in our lifetimes.

BubbaWoo if Napoleons cavalry couldn't get through Crna Gora one of the most rigid terrains in Europe then neither will the Yanks, I assure you.

indeed

sometimes its better to go over what you cant go thru

think outside the box

What??? Who said the yanks are invading and NEED to get through some mountains?

And let's say they did...there are these things called AIRPLANES that work on magical dragon's breath and float through the air bypassing your mountains. Welcome to the modern age.

Serbia's military couldn't even GET to the US let alone manage the varied and vast terrain there. So let's not be silly comparing sword sizes.

your an idiot jones and just to let you know a serb shot down an american plane in his back yard with an ak

Uh...no...that never happened. The only US planes shot down in Serbia were by missiles. Good try making things up though.

But I AM curious though...let's say that fantasy of yours happened (which is pretty much impossible for such a tiny round to take down a jet..especially at the altitudes they operate which an AK couldn't reach...and if you believe it is possible you need to study ballistics) but let's just say it did in some imaginary world....so what? Do you think downing on or two planes out of hundreds of planes and thousands of missions is success? Wow....I guess if you get one punch into a guy who kicks your ass into the ground you think you have won.

USA is genocidal creation, born from blood and tears of native Americans.

So, no wonder that USA supported Mujaheedine genocide on Serbs- natives of Balkan. By US logic, world will be batter when enough foreign invaders massacred enough natives.

Then, true `multiciulturalism` will be born. That is American mission.

Look, you can see the parallels of Poland, Ireland and Spain not only have survived well against the so-called "Germano-Anglo-Saxon" world, they can even prosper and attract back many of their old emigrants. Now, what is more, the Celtic melancholy and Spanish sex drive are such inseparable posing kits of fashionistas around the world, particularly those very Germano-Anglo-Saxons! Who know in the next 20 years, Polish styles will be conquering the world in turn (hm, I will make sure at that time I completely monopolise camouflage trousers!)

Anyway, to be slightly more serious, I think the EU have made a pretty wrong move concerning Kosovo. It should have accepted Serbia (and the rest of FYRs) to be its members immediately and then only allowed Kovoso secession poll to take place after 10 years when Serbia has fully recovered from the trauma and devastation of the last wars. In that case there would be high chance that Serbia would be able to retain Kosovo through the poll due to, firstly there should be significant amount of enterprising Serbs, if not moving to Britain, would move to the under-developed, heavily-invested land of Kosovo; and secondly, ethnic Albanians and Serbs would improve their relations thanks to the new dynamism of the economy. Even if the Kosovans would want to secede, this might leave the future Serbians no more bitterness than the English or the Walloons when the Scots or Flemish decide to break away (Possibly they are too busy thinking themselves as Europeans to really care!)

But unfortunately, impatience, arrogance (those vile Serbs had better accept it or else), greed (we don't wanna support those lousy Serbs right now!) and double-standard stance (the Turks can kick the Kurds' arse as long as we dont have to pay for their legs' insurance and numerous other examples) of the US and major EU countries completely make the mess of the situation. With all neutrality, I can say Serbia is completely cornered (especially from the psychological point of view). There is no way to expect Serbia to be a normal country unless the US and the EU are ready for a heavy compensation. If greed still triumphs, just expect a US president to be assassinated by a Serb on the 28th June 2014...

Not were I live Crow, they own casinos and are doing fantastic.

As is about every modern nation...read some books someday. Cities weren't just magically born with all the people there holding ownership. The difference is you are still at this kind of behavior within your own borders.

Serbia along with other ex-YU republics recognized that USSR was evil and here is the best proof that we do not follow Russia blindly. The only country in East Europe that resisted Stalin and said no to him was Yugoslavia. Not with NATO not with USSR, with a policy of non-alignment. Tito dedicated alot of his time building up the army because we feared an imminent Soviet invasion as we were surrounded by Soviet satellite states. The question which should be asked is why did Americans and British sell out Poland to the communists?



Obviously you do not know our people very well.

Johnny Štulić - Azra - Yugoslav rock legend
Rare never-aired 1981 tv performance of "poljska u mome srcu" ("poland in my heart").
The same day when this song was to be aired Albanians in Kosovo started demonstrations and riots demanding Kosovo republic and to join Albania, so the Yugoslav police and army were sent to maintain order. This is why no TV station dared to air this song, thankfully it was discovered 19 years later.





1981 Johnny Štulić - Azra

"Poland in my heart
In my heart the mazurka
Poland has never given a quisling
Every day Polonaise rings at my door:
Polish amber, bracelets,
Voloncha watches, half-price slide rule,
Pope Wojtyla and I...

Gdansk, '80., queues for newspapers,
independent unions,
protection committees...

Gdansk '80, the boiling factories...
You don't send tanks at the workers twice!
Tanks on workers!
Tanks on us!

Gdansk, '80, when the autumn said ''No''
Gdansk, '80, we had our fingers crossed
The miners, the students, shipyard, all of us...

Gdansk '80, the boiling factories...
You don't send tanks at the workers twice!
They didn't dare... We all won!"

Serbia definitely isn`t alone and with every new day becoming clear that Poland made serious mistake being first Slavic country which recognized Kosovo separation, supporting partition of Serbia. Polish diplomacy with PM Tusk seams made extraordinary blow in Polish position inside of Slavic world, clearly puting Poland on the side of hostile non-Slavs. Question is why and who orchestrate that dirrectin of Poland? Poles? No, because it seams that Polish public oppose Kosovo separation and support just Serbian position? Then, who decided for Poland, or mistaken?

Slovakia not to recognize Kosovo

2008-02-25 01:05:57
http://www.enovosti.info/en/option/btg_news/0/39/Slovakia/not/to/recog nize/Kosovo


NOTE: Clear indications of aressive Hungarian politics on Slavic countries in the region...

Slovaks divided on Kosovo

MFA says Slovakia cannot recognise Kosovo at this point

SLOVAK SPECTATOR, 25 Feb 2008 Ľuba Lesná Politics & Society
http://www.spectator.sk/articles/view/30829/2/slovaks_divided_on_kosov o.html




Ambassador: Klaus ready to visit Serbia soon

PRAGUE DAILY MONITOR, by ČTK / Published 27 February 2008
http://www.praguemonitor.com/en/282/czech_politics/19242/




Nations split over Kosovo's status

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/20334/51/


Some have warned Kosovo's secession could have repercussions in breakaway regions across the world [AFP]



Reaction...

Argentina rules out recognition

29 February 2008 | 16:06 | Source: Tanjug
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=02&dd=29 &nav_id=48079

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Interesting development...

Kosovo Serbs call for return of Russian troops, Reuters

February 28, 2008 on 5:52 am, By Branislav Krstic
http://news.serbianunity.net/2008/02/28/6248/

Thank you very much for reminding me on this issue

Yes, feelings of Polish-Serbian connections always boosted Serbian emotions.

This song came in situation when Serbs blamed Albanian (and some Yugoslav, too) communists for tragic Serbian situation on Kosovo-Metohija (back in that time Serbs were oppresed by Albanians and Yugoslav communists allowed that Albanian refuges from Albania populate on Kosovo and in the same time forbid return of Kosovo Serbs who escaped from Kosovo during Italian occupation of province in WWII- `for the peace in communist house`).

So, Serbs were solidar with Poles and arised their heads to protest against Albanian pressure, on traditional Serbian ground. Albanian communist leaders from Kosovo and Albanian population then reacted with increased pressure on Serbs, all in order to push as much of Serbs from province.

youtube.com/watch?v=ghjPhXGfK6Y

The full version of 1981 song Johnny Štulić - Azra: "Poljska u mome srcu", the first youtube window of my previous post did not work.

Also found an interesting article from New York Times 1982
Exodus of Serbians stirs province in Yugoslavia

URL

not just thanks to him as i heard

Arkan`s Tigers, Dinaric highlanders sworn on revange and Russian and Ukrainian Cossacks (Tzar`s wolves- particulary) also taken part in hunt on mujaheedines after liberation of Srebrenica.

Very few monsters of El Mujahedeen Unit survived war in Bosnia and returned to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Albania. Wolves of mountains tested their bones...

If we analize statements of Polish diplomats we clearly see that official Poland practicaly announced to Serbia that Poland had its `own interests` in the region (on Serbian ground!) and that Poland plans to continue to interfere in Serbian internal affairs. I must say, that is something absolutely new in Polish-Serbian relationship thru history- dramatical agravation of relations. Poland now coming in the region as some foreign power, which `evolved` and abandened principles of Slavic solidarity.

We now see why Polish public received false informations about events in the region all these years and why Polish journalism failed. In fact, Polish journlism didn`t failed but, somebody, obviously outside and inside of Poland orchestrate Polish strategic moves, increasing (creating even where never existed!) rift between Poland and rest of Slavic world. Think about it

Poland Receives Protest Note from Serbia over Kosovo

2008-02-29 00:50:32, Xinhua
http://english.cri.cn/2947/2008/02/29/176@328228.htm



In the same time, Polish public support kin Serbian nation... [see, new web site on the Pan-Slavic sky]

Slavicis
http://slavicis.blogspot.com/2008/02/warsaw-poznan-for-serbian-kosovo. html

vendredi 22 février 2008

WARSAW & POZNAN for Serbian Kosovo!! POPARCIE DLA SERBII WS. KOSOWA
UWAGA POZNAŃ!!! W SOBOTE O 12.00 PROTEST PRZED KONSULATEM HONOROWYM USA NA PADAREWSKIGO W POZNANIU SPRAWIE BEZPRAWNEGO ZABRANIA KOSOWA SERBOM
PODPISANIE PRZEZ NASZ RZĄD TO DZIALANIE WBREW NARODOWI I HAŃBA CYWILIZACJI
TO BANDYTYZM UE, USA I NATO

Other Slavic countries support Serbs and international order...

Ukraine to back Serbia's position on Kosovo

UKRAINE, 20-02-2008 18:10
http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/index.php?id=148&listid=60919



Lukashenko : Belarus strongly supports Serbia

BELARUS, February 28, 2008
http://glassrbije.org/E/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1747 &Itemid=26

Don't forget the greek contribution in liberation.
The presence of mujahendins in Balkans was a point for concern not only for Slavs.

Bosnian Serbs & Greek volunteers who fought in the Bosnian war.

Thanks to them and their efforts, Bosnian Serbs control 49% of territory and have their own parliament. In the other half are Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims who have a federation.





The prime minister of Republika Srpska has declared that since the Kosovo precedent is set, in case most EU countries recognize it as an independent state, he will hold a referendum on independence for the Bosnian Serb Republic.

Both Bosnia and Kosovo are NATO protectorates and if you allow one group the right to seceede then you cannot deny it to another.

Ukrainian support to Serbia radicalize. Nationalist protesters tear up a burning Albanian flag in front of Ukraine's Ministry of Foreign Affairs demanding Kiev did not recognize Kosovo's declaration of independence in Kiev March 1, 2008. REUTERS/Vladimir Sindeyev (UKRAINE).

I would use this opportunity to underline that Ukrainians invested a lot of in liberation of Balkan Slavs from Ottoman occupation, same as Russia and Poland. Today, while official Russia and Ukraine resist on restoration of Turkish/German sphera of influence on Balkan, official Poland, unfortunately work against her own historical strategic interests and partner- Serbia. At least, good news is that Polish public support Serbs, togather with public in all Slavic countries.

Crow, your assessment that Poland abandoned Serbia is not fair... It could just as easily be said it is Serbia who betrayed Poland by being so close to Russia..

Now lets be fair here... Serbia allied with Russia to help its people and Poland allied with EU to also help its people... you can't blame one or the other for this....

Poland alone by itself cannot have a real influence on EU decisions.

Poland should assert itself as a leader that other countries like Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia would look up to when it comes to their mutual positions on EU affairs. Only then could it become a serious force.

The point is mathiass that Poland by participating in missions in Iraq and Afghanistan marked itself as a potential target for Islamic fundamentalists, and now discredited itself by chosing the way of lawlesness and injustice in following those countries which trampled on international law by recognizing Kosovo ilegally. Those politicians acted against the will of the Polish people who elected them.

Serbia is not against a United Europe, we are all for it, but not in this way where EU shamelessly bows its head at American demands.

Here's the issue, I don't support Kosovo being recognized.... Ill go even further, its a huge mistake...

that being said, Tusk was elected because of his determination to improve relations with EU... if he didn't recognize Kosovo, this would go against the very image he's trying to potray... It would be political sucide and make him seem like a hypocrite for critizing Kaszynski on this issue...

Should Poland side with Russia on this issue and go against major EU players.... Doubt it this is only one issue, and we need the EU for our own economic and energy safety.... We can't sacrafice our own safety.... as much as we support Serbia..

Btw Not recognizing Kosovo would destroy all improvements we have made in our relations with EU, since Tusk.. Now privately we support Serbia, but publicaly our hands are tied... We are sorry, but these are the facts.

As far as us being target for terrorism, might be true... however it's much more difficult to carry out an attack in Poland than western EU and other countries in Europe.. Polands has a tiny muslim population which has been integrated in society for centuries... any chance of home grown terrorists is low... because of this tiny muslim population any terrorists who come to poland to plan an attack, its easy to keep an eye out on them... That is why there have been no terrorist arrests in poland since the war started... Were fairly safe, target or not..