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cucko
  Mar 3, 08, 05:59  #571

After this poland recognition of kosovo as state I THINK OUR RELATIONS WILL BE VERY BAD. I DO NOT RECOGNIZE polish POLITICS AT ALL.

Is this a real poland or some fake poland WITH NO SENSE for Serbia at all? Is it possible that to poland people is much interesting some quasi narko state than the old Serbian state and people? Maybe the polish people want some cheap dope a? There in Kosovo you will have some cheap dope but here in Serbia after this recognition of Kosovo as free state YOU ARE CRIMINALS LIKE YOUR MENTORS usa.

I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU ARE CHRISTIANS TOO?!?!?!? You like albanians? Do you know that they are only drug dealers and trafficants in the whole world? Do you know what you have chosen you silly people? What have we done to you? Did Serbs deserve it from you? Meybe you polish people dislike Serbs because of great Titos time and Yugoslavia when you were so poor and in misery?

I remember polish youngs coming to Belgrade in former Yugoslavia to buy our music and all other world music on LP's and cassettes? Did you hate us now for that?

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lesser
  Mar 3, 08, 06:16  #572

Get real man, politicians often make decision above people heads and against their will. Tomorrow Serbian politicians might do something similar and you could not prevent them.


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Grucha
  Mar 3, 08, 06:48  #573

Do you know that they are only drug dealers and trafficants in the whole world?
Lol, maybe they invented diseases, death, and evil ??? I understand, that decision of recognition Kosovos independent isn't good, but now I think that you are some Serbian nationalist , some kind of ******* skinhead.

P.S. As I knov only 6% people in Kosovo are Serbians, so why it is so bad, to Kosovo be independent ??? You think that 6% of people should rule whole Kosovo ???

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ConstantineK
  Mar 3, 08, 08:15  #574

cucko wrote:
After this poland recognition of kosovo as state I THINK OUR RELATIONS WILL BE VERY BAD. I DO NOT RECOGNIZE polish POLITICS AT ALL.


Oh God!!! I feel very, very sick. Insted of defending their interests and their independence till the end of their lives, those Serbes like a worthless beggars entreat all not to recognize Kosovo....so disgusting!

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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Mar 3, 08, 10:29  #575

ConstantineK wrote:
Oh God!!! I feel very, very sick. Insted of defending their interests and their independence till the end of their lives, those Serbes like a worthless beggars entreat all not to recognize Kosovo....so disgusting!


Lack of common sense here. Don't fight wars that you cannot win unless your enemy want literally wipe out your nation from the face of the earth.


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Crow
  Mar 3, 08, 13:57  #576

matthias wrote:
Crow, your assessment that Poland abandoned Serbia is not fair...

Poland is for me much more then Polish politicians. So, i don`t sense that Poland abondoned Serbia. It`s more that Polish politicians abandoned Racowie, Poles and Slavs in general

matthias wrote:
It could just as easily be said it is Serbia who betrayed Poland by being so close to Russia..

We all very well know Russian failures. But, are we ready to face with our own failures? Serbs? Poles? Etc Slavs?

Not to mention that thru history Poland only profited (greately!) from Serbian-Russian close ties and not to mention that Serbians never allayed with Russian state against other Slavs (NEVER).

Constant mistake and problem of Polish inteligentsia are negative historical choices and admiration to temporary values. What i mean- simple, when Russia is strong Polish inteligentsia idioticaly accepting worse Russian (Soviet) schemes and when Russia is weak, Polish inteligentsia seek to collaborate with Russian enemies, even falling in trechery of all other Slavs, deflecting even from Slavic heritage.

So, i ask- what is attitude of Polish elite (that part of elite which is in power)? What are principles of Polish elite which would be worth enough that Polish inteligentsia stand and sacrafice itself? No, don`t tell me that it is Polish independanece because, Poland obviously isn`t independent.

What think Polish inteligentsia- are Poland Slavic or not? Did they ask ordinary Poles for oppinion?

matthias wrote:
Now lets be fair here... Serbia allied with Russia to help its people and Poland allied with EU to also help its people...

Serbian choice was EU but EU wasn`t EU but obviously tool of German expansion and THAT had different plans for Serbs- we were humiliated and uterly beaten.

Then, Serbs said- all right we now want both- EU and Russia. Serbs again were humiliated and uterly beaten. Plus, Serbs refused to take part in USA/EU raid on Russian resources.

With Poland is different. Polish (of Poles) choice was EU but Polish elite sold Poland and accepted EU as tool of German expansion. Plus, part of Polish elite allayed with USA/EU factors in conquest on Russian resources- what is final reason for that what`s going on now (in last 20 years).

matthias wrote:
you can't blame one or the other for this....

I don`t blame nobody. I only look forward to see face of Mother Slavia- light on the end of dark tunel.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 3, 08, 14:37  #577

Czech and Slovak nationalists join to other Czech/Slovak political options in support to Serbs. Serbia getting support from left, central and right orriented political parties in Czeska/Slovakia.

Czeska...



http://stred.nacionaliste.com/view.php?nazevclanku=report-z-demo-na-po dporu-srbska-prvni-foto&cisloclanku=2008020010

V sobotu 23.2.2008 se v Praze uskutečnily protesty proti nezávislosti Kosova. Jeden z protestů organizovali i Autonomní nacionalisté a sešlo se na něm 250 lidí. Ti se poté připojili k druhé akci a na Palackého náměstí po 16. hodině demonstrovalo přes pět stovek lidí.

Autonomní nacionalisté - Demo na podporu Srbska



Přípravě této akce jsme věnovali maximální pozornost. Vyroben byl čtyřmetrový transparent s nápisem "KOSOVO JE SRBSKO", svůj transparent s tématikou Kosova a Srbska přivezli také Autonomní nacionalisté Sever, na akci nechyběly desítky praporů včetně srbských, vlajky české a prapory AN. Nakopírováno bylo tisíc letáčků AN s textem na podporu Srbska.








Slovakia...




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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Mar 3, 08, 18:16  #578

When I see scenes like this my heart is full, there is hope for Europe yet.

The masks are finally falling and USA and Great Britain will be exposed for the rogue states that they in reality are.

When I remember all those people who attacked us in 1999, from Bill Clinton to Tony Blair through their vehicle NATO and now in 2008 finalization of their project with George Bush, constant attacks in the media by Wesley Clark, Madeleine Albright, William Cohen, Richard Hoolbroke, James Rubin, I know no matter how hard it is, Serbia is on the right path.


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cucko
  Mar 4, 08, 00:39  #579

GRUCHA what do you really know about Kosovo and SERBIA? As I see nothing.......You seem to me like member of some f****** pro american democratic.........

THEY ALWAYS SEE NATIONALISTS EVERYWHERE BUT THEY ARE THE GREATEST NATIONALISTS EVER IN THE WORLD.

Thanx for that nice pictures of great support of CESKA and SLOVACKA nationalists!

Only the people who are interested in their countries like natinalists all over the world can see the problem. I F*** them "democrats" all over the world........

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 4, 08, 02:37  #580

Cucko, what are you stupid or something???...
Freedom of speech is a democratic right... So you can thank them for you being able to spew your cr*p

Listen I don't support Kosovo independence either.... But you need to use better arguments...


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cucko
  Mar 4, 08, 04:23  #581

MATTHIAS I am not as studid as you are.

I CAN ALSO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC RIGHT TO SPEAK YOU M***** F***** AS ANYBODY ELSE.....

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 4, 08, 05:18  #582

Your just proving my point, you can thank the democrats for this right....

Your doing your country a great disservice by acting as you are....

I support Serbia, but I don't support people such as you...

You should act more like Crnogorac or Crow who are driven by there love for there country not by hate for others...


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cucko
  Mar 4, 08, 05:28  #583

I am not looking for your help at all. The person like you disappoints me. You are hiding behind your "european mask" and teaching everybodyhere lessons about everything.....

Sad person you are. We here in Serbia do have a lot of your kind of person.

YOU MUST ADMITT THERE MUST BE A LOT OF OPINIONS NOT JUST YOURS........

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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 4, 08, 05:44  #584

Yes there thousands of opinions besides mine, you are the one who should practice what he preaches...

I understand your anger.....But you must deal with it in a better way or Serbia will not achieve all that it deserves....

If Serbia stands any chance you must do this through non violent means... You cannot give a pretext to the west... If your really interested Im willing to help...

The first more important thing, is to designant a leader of the movement...... someone the west could negotiate with... Once you have that I can help with step two...

If this is not an organized movement, your cries will fall on deaf ears.....


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 4, 08, 06:18  #585

Second you must block all business activites of those countries who recognized Kosovo... through non violent means of course...... Any business of a foreign country you must disrupt..... You must pick those foreign businesses that make the most money in Serbia... human blockades to prevent these businesses from operating...


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southern
  Mar 4, 08, 06:21  #586

matthias wrote:
human blockades to prevent these businesses from operating...


Not human blockades.Just boycott their products.Raise in supermarket for example slogan,do not buy this product because the country which produced it supported Kosovo independance.The same in every store.

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Crnogorac
  Mar 4, 08, 06:31  #587

What do you guys think blocked the corrupt Slovenian government presiding over the EU from being the first country to recognize Kosovo as per US demands?

Bombs in Mercator - Slovenian shopping marts, also attacks on its embassy persuaded the Slovenian business managers who operate in Serbia to appeal to their government to at least postpone the decision. Slovenia and it's companies have over 2 billion USD in investments in Serbia and already we are seeing the results of economic consumer patriotism. Simply avoid the products of those countries on the shelf.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 4, 08, 12:36  #588

cucko wrote:
Thanx for that nice pictures of great support of CESKA and SLOVACKA nationalists!

jes brate, brorthers are with us in great masses but, i suggest to you not to underestimate Slavic Poland, too. Politics is one and politicians failed sometimes. Poles are people of one honest Sobieski and Poland was last core of once mighty Sarmatia. Sons and doughters of Poland would respond to brotherly call of Serbians

see this and see also on previous pages about Polish support to Serbs...


Polegaj jak na Zawiszy! Zawisza Czarny z Garbowa. Poległ w obronie Serbii

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1,15,11,40991583,111426370,4594004,0,forum.h tml

Zawisza Czarny z Garbowa herbu Sulima (ok. 1380-1428), sławny polski rycerz, niepokonany w licznych turniejach, symbol cnót rycerskich. Starosta kruszwicki od roku 1417 r., starosta spiski od 1420 r.

Na wieść o szykującej się ostatecznej rozprawie z Krzyżakami, powrócił do kraju. Po bitwie pod Grunwaldem,...

Zasługi polskiego króla Władysława III Warneńczyka (1424-1444) dla Bałkanów

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1,15,11,40996744,111440210,4594004,0,forum.h tml

Tytuł królewski [Serbian lands in titles of Wladislaw, great protector of Slavdom, true Sarmatian. What would now Wladislaw say to Tusk? What would say Sobiesky? What would say Prince Chartorisky?]

Wladislaus, Dei gracia rex Polonie, Hungarie, Dalmacie, Croacie, Rascie, Bulgarie, Sclavonie, nec non terrarum Cracovie, Sandomirie, Lancicie, Syradie, Cuyavie, Lythuanie princeps suppremus, Pomeranie, Russieque dominus et heres etc.

"Kosowo jest nasze!" [there is clip here, too]

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/3242520,relacjetv.html

Pilnujący przeprawy przez Ibar policjanci zostali obrzuceni kamieniami, butelkami i petardami. Nikt nie został ranny w zamieszkach. W tłumie serbskich demonstrantów przeważali ludzie młodzi. Uczestnicy demonstracji protestowali przeciw ogłoszonej w niedzielę niepodległości zamieszkanego w większości przez Albańczyków Kosowa. Powiewali flagami Serbii i skandowali "Kosowo jest nasze!".

To nie jest moj rzad!!!

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1,15,11,40958449,111346662,4594004,0,forum.h tml

Tusk znasz historie Polski?? Nasze rozbiory jetes z tego dumny?? Poparliscie to samo w Serbi.Kiedys bylem wam przychylny teraz glosno krzycze: NIE!!! dla tego rzadu!!! Zdrajcy narodu poplecznicy Busha i UE

Kosovo je srpsko

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1,15,11,40944866,111309265,4594004,0,forum.h tml

Kosowo nalezy do Serbii i zadna tam Unia Europejska nie moze tego zmienic.

WIĘCEJ MANIFESTACJI TRZEBA BY PRZYWRÓCIĆ POLSCE HONOR

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1,15,11,40944740,111308941,4594004,0,forum.h tml

KTÓRY ZOSTAŁ ZBRODNICZĄ DECYZJĄ RZĄDU ZSZARGANY I SPONIEWIERANY, POLACY NA WIECE ZA SERBIE

Bojkot

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1,15,11,40943946,111306772,4594004,0,forum.h tml

Tylko całkowity bojkot tego zdradzieckiego rządu,który uznał Kosowo może przynieść rezultaty.


Glory to Poland! Glory to proud daughter of Slavia!


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 4, 08, 13:41  #589

Step 3, for those countries who do not have business in Serbia...... you must have Russians help you on this one... Not just with statements but with concrete actions... Russians must put into place economic sanctions on the weakest countries who support Kosovo..... Your not going to get all countries to drop there recognition... You have to attack for the lack of a better term the weakest and smallest countries first..

Also whose the leader of the movement???

Once you take care of the small states, step 4 would be to the big ones.. Which is much more complicated... Lets start with someone should bring a lawsuit to an international court in EU because the UN agreement was broken...


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Crow
  Mar 4, 08, 14:14  #590

Kosovo and the Polish Diplomatic Embarrassment



by Agnieszka Skieterska, 2008-02-26, last update 2008-02-26 17:16
http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,82049,4965759.html



It took the government a week to decide that it was the cabinet, after all, that had the decisive say on the issue and that Poland's partners from the US and the EU expected it to recognise Kosovo's independence. At that point, both the coalition and the opposition woke up: how to do it without alienating Serbia, which Poland has good relations with? It's a pity it took them so long to realise that.

on Polish...

Kosowo i polska żenada dyplomatyczna
http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,75248,4963528.html

Jako dziesiąty kraj Unii Europejskiej uznamy dziś niepodległe Kosowo. Ale miejsce w tym rankingu nie ma żadnego znaczenia. Od wielu miesięcy było jasne, że któregoś dnia zdominowana przez Albańczyków prowincja oderwie się od Serbii. Jednak gdy stało się to w końcu 17 lutego, w Warszawie zapanował zamęt. Rząd za niepodległością Kosowa, a prezydent przeciw.

Prezydent: Polska nie powinna jeszcze uznać Kosowa

strem, PAP; 2008-02-26, ostatnia aktualizacja 2008-02-26 09:28
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80708,4963925.html

- Prezydent podtrzymuje swoją opinię, że Polska nie powinna jeszcze uznawać niepodległości Kosowa - powiedział we wtorkowych "Sygnałach Dnia" sekretarz stanu w Kancelarii Prezydenta Michał Kamiński. Niemniej Lech Kaczyński decyzję rządu uszanuje - dodał.

Według Kamińskiego, jeśli rząd przyjmie uchwałę uznającą Kosowo, prezydent "decyzję tę uszanuje". Jest to jednak - mówił - "trudna sytuacja, zwłaszcza, gdy rząd podejmuje decyzję, która nie poprawi wizerunku Polski wśród dużej części Słowian bałkańskich".

Polska uzna Kosowo

pw; 2008-02-26, ostatnia aktualizacja 2008-02-25 20:32
http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,75248,4963316.html

Zapewne stanie się to dziś na posiedzeniu Rady Ministrów. Zapowiada to premier i szef MSZ.

Nasi żołnierze jadą do Kosowa

Marcin Górka; 2008-02-25, ostatnia aktualizacja 2008-02-25 19:48
http://miasta.gazeta.pl/szczecin/1,34939,4963122.html

12. Szczecińska Dywizja Zmechanizowana będzie współodpowiedzialna za utrzymanie stabilizacji w niepodległym Kosowie. Już za kilka dni żołnierze wyjeżdżają na Bałkany, gdzie mają m.in. zapobiegać konfliktom między Serbami i Albańczykami.



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Crnogorac
  Mar 4, 08, 23:56  #591

Grobari - Partizan Basketball Supporters



I'll never forget this. The day is approaching when words will translate into actions.


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cucko
  Mar 5, 08, 08:33  #592

MATTHIAS you turned out to be an interesting person for chat?

Are you from Poland?

КОСОВО ЈЕ СРБИЈА!

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Mar 5, 08, 12:24  #593

jones101 wrote:
And how do you fight wars? Oh yeah right you don't.




Preparations under way near Serbia-Kosovo border.



Crvene Beretke JSO - Jedinica za Specijalne Operacije

Peaceful demonstrations from Alaska till Australia will not do anyone any good, history shows us the only language that American aggressors in the White House and British bandits in the Royal Palace understand is the use of force. Serbia should not declare war on USA that would be suicidal, however paramilitary organizations acting on their own initiative can, should and will. Wait for the opportune moment and... STRIKE. We have already seen in Iraq what kind of damage a band of motivated but unorganized fighters can cause. Frontlines in Baghdad will seem like paradise compared what is in store for them in Kosovo.

This is why Serbian volunteers are already signing up to carry out attacks on their interests in the region and abroad including assasinations of politicians - ruling out civilian casualties.

I think that those policy makers who made the decision to amputate without anesthetics Serbia's territory badly miscalculated what Kosovo means to the Serbs.


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Zgubiony
  Mar 5, 08, 12:32  #594

Crnogorac wrote:
should not declare war on USA that would be suicidal

Got that right. I'd give it less time than baghdad. Serbia is too small to even be concerned about. lol Paramilitary? ...you can't be serious.

Crnogorac wrote:
This is why Serbian volunteers are already signing up to carry out attacks on their interests in the region and abroad including assasinations of politicians - ruling out civilian casualties.

ha ha ha ha ok ;)

......so you're volunteering?



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Filios1
Edited by: Filios1  Mar 5, 08, 12:33  #595

Crnogorac wrote:
Serbian volunteers are already signing up to carry out attacks on their interests in the region


Only say the word, Bracie, and I will come running.
: )


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 5, 08, 12:42  #596

support to Serbs spread all over the Slavdom. After thousand years, Slavs from Baltic to Balkan, from Lusatia to Siberia- think as one. From the time before era of Slavic slavery occured, from the split in Christianity on Chatolicism and Orthodoxy, from the begginings of Protestantism- Slavs of different religious background wasn`t able to unite. What is even more fascinated, political parties of absolutely different provinience (left, right or central orriented), all over the Slavic world- sending support to Slavic South, to Serbs.

Thanks Slavia! Freedom!

This time, rapport from Bulgaria...

Kosovo is Serbia!



Bulgarian politicians (NATO/USA/EU servants) are on the collision course with Bulgarian people who strongly support Serbs. Bulgaria still refusing to recognize separation of Kosovo.



Crnogorac wrote:
Serbia-Kosovo border

just one technical correction, brate

there is no anything like Serbia-Kosovo border. There is only administrative line between central Serbia and Serbian southern province of Kosovo and Metohija


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 5, 08, 16:07  #597

Interesting...

Question to Polish prime minister from student Warsaw university when he have meet with students:

tan, Gazeta.pl, mar; 2008-02-27, ostatnia aktualizacja 2008-02-27 17:24
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80708,4968830.html

Sprawy międzynarodowe: Kosowo i tarcza

- Dlaczego złamał pan prawo międzynarodowe i wolę większości Polaków i uznał niepodległość Kosowa? Pytanie padło z ust Michała Tuska, który synem premiera bynajmniej nie jest. Premier w odpowiedzi po raz kolejny zapewnił, że Polska nie występuje przeciwko Serbii a on sam "jest zakochany w Jugosłowiańskiej kulturze". Uznał, że Polska musiała wpisać się w ciąg decyzji państw całego globu, a zadaniem Polski w tej sytuacji jest balansowanie między interesami światowych mocarstw.

I`ll try to translate it for non-Slavs here...hm:

``-Why you break international law and jowl most of polish people and recognize kosowo? (...)
Prime minister in answer assure that Poland no act against Serbia and that he personaly ``love Jugoslavian culture`` He said that Poland have to do the same what another coutries of the world and Poland needed to balance between world powers.``

We see here blatant example that Tusk is open liar... he said to Polish students, to Polish public that `Poland did what another coutries of the world done`. We know very well that great majority of world support Serbian stance and respect international order. Powers of so called west, in conquest first created Kosovo protectorate and now push recognition of new Albanian state on Serbian soil- Kosova.

Tusk also has twisted sense of thinking if he can say that `Poland didn`t act against Serbia`. My God, recognition of Kosovo is practicaly act of open war. According to Tusk, Serbs can be happy that Polish tanks aren`t on Serbian borders (`Tusk ante portas`- how abominable).

Tusk is obviously sure that USA and few EU powers represent whole world, center of universe and he for sure consider Poland as some minor satelite state which must be happy to serve and `live` in the shadow of big sh**.

and, he said that he likes us- `Yugoslavs`. To put cross on muself... God forbid! That love could kill you, like Black Widow

So, i must conclude that Tusk is liar, idiot, perverse person, anti-Serb, anti-Slav, traitor, sick man full with inferiority complexes, plus moron and insult for logic and reason and, dangerous politician.


Tusk salute Poles and while doing so, for sure, think for himself...`Ciao, Ciao, I`ll have my money, I`ll have my money, Master would be satisfy...`


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 5, 08, 16:22  #598

Not to detract from your cause, but Tusk is the best thing to happen to Poland in a long time.......

Reality is that the majority of the world don't support Serbia, as neither support Kosovo.
Its fairly evenly split...

Poland is split between its alliance to the west and its alliance to the east.... Unfortunetly we need the west more then we need the east for the economic security of our people... As much as Im against recognition of Kosovo, Poland shouldn't have to pay the political price for this conflict.... Deal it on your own and it's Serbia and US & EU who put Poland in the middle. Fu*k the both of you.....


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lesser
  Mar 5, 08, 16:31  #599

Crow wrote:
Crow


I remember how you were hoping that Tusk will stand for Serbian territorial integrity when PO was elected. I told you already at that time that this is not the case. I'm watching Polish political soap operas too long to be wrong on such simple issues.

matthias wrote:
Not to detract from your cause, but Tusk is the best thing to happen to Poland in a long time.......


Same old sh*t.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 5, 08, 16:38  #600

matthias wrote:
Serbia and US & EU
who put Poland in the middle... Fu*k the both of you.....

wait, Serbian state didn`t push Poland on anything. Never in our history. It is official Poland who push Serbia.

If USA and EU push/force Poland on something then you must be honest and admit that truth. They push you to be against international order, to be against other Slavs, to behave anti-democratic, to support spread of Muslim narco-sex traficking and white slavery caliphates... and i see that as very dangerous situation for Poland. They aren`t Polish friends if acting like that. THEY are perfid beasts who manipulate with Poland and are ready to sacrafice Poland and Poles, in THEIR schemes.

So, don`t BS that Serbia put you in the middle. If its problem that Poland is Slavic state and that Slavic feelings represent problem to Poland, it is something else. But, then again, Serbs can`t be blamed for that situation. Only, powerfull anti-Slavs could be blamed and their plan for assimilation of Slavs. Plus, it is disguisting that Slavs demonstrate sush a weaknesses, divisions, incompetence and stupidity. Shame

One more thing. Great truth is that Serbs eaten a lot of sh** for Poland in history and now we don`t deserve even that official Poland at least don`t attack us, if can`t help.


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