What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

Only Slavic culture live in continuity from the European morning, after Ice Age was finished. We had many encounters with foreigners as all today`s Whites but, we preserved values of our specific culture, spirituality and language. Our culture is traditionally tolerant, balanced with nature, inventive, progressive.

Yes, only we survived. I am ready to accept that fact. We (nobody) don`t need to vulgarize that truth. That does not make us superior but, that fact giving much to our self-confidence and self-respect. That telling about us. That`s we

That doesn't actually mean anything.

i think you're probably right.. that's the only crac i could find at that time. i was trying to avoid a mistake.. krakow is actually cracovia or cracovie but wiki had the 'ensis' in there for some reason. sry.

For us original Western, no. Not in some hostile sense, for sure. But, it becoming important when false Western`s try to assimilate you, to patronize you. Then you retreat to your heritage and that giving you strength to endure. And, you know- freedom will come... you would walk with dignity, again- in land of green, in land of free, from Balkan to Baltic, from Lusatia to Kamcatka. ;)


I go now man. I travel tomorrow morning. :)

Pozdrav Poljaci i ostala braćo!

And that's the west is it?

Hey my people!

I have come back from Slovenia today, after 3 days

Just to inform you that Poles and Poland are popular in Slovenia.

As i heard from some of my friends (by their words) during cocktail party, they are `extremely (very) surprised with Polish strength within EU` and that as they told me `it coming from great number of Poles` (be aware that Slovenians are Slavic nation of about 2.500.000 individuals). Also, all my friends told me that they (Slovenians in general) feel great solidarity with Serbs because of situation in case with Kosovo. Antagonism between Slovenians and Croats strengthen (between states and among people), as I heard.

I would speak more about my trip to Slovenia, later. Plan was that I visit Dalmatia, too but, this time I couldn`t manage to do it. Next time.

you're free to come.just a friendly advice...DON'T TALK AT ALL.you'll get hurt.badly.
oh yes,maybe we should meet,you know discuss politics;)
i have some views on serbian pretension on dalmatia...i want you to hear them.
later you can take a swim in beautiful croatian sea.

year ago i was in Dalmatia, Gorski Kotari and Lika, after more then 15 years

I sow deserted Serbian land and visited Vrana (Crow/Raven) vilage, vilage which was created by Crow clan, no matter that i was warned from my friends from Benkovac that it is bad idea. Vilage is now famous because Croatian ustashe general Gotovina originates from Vrana (it makes him possible member of Crow clan in his origin and that can explain his wild hate on Serbs, traitors are always more hostile then real foreigners).

and so, i went thru Vrana with my car, with Serbian plates/designations on vehicle. Stop for the moment to ask something one old man. That was mistake. Old man put his hand on vehicle and started to dramatize and insulted me savagely. On the end of street in front of me I sow police vehicle (potentially more problems), people on the other side of the street (potentially more problems). Situation. It was impossible to me to boost my car without harming old man who blocked me and so I stayed calm.

Then (listen this), from nearby house, one other old man appeared, come closer and then confronted first man. That what they told to each other was above insults (and i won`t try to translate it here). Just, in one moment first man gave up and release my car. Then, old man who helped me, said: `Dičak (boy- point on me, on local dialect), he (referring on first man) is great Croat. But I know little a more about him. Say me, do you need something.` I just looked at old man, his eyes, face, gestures. I just said `hvala vam` (thanks) `but, it would be batter to me to go now.` Thru open window of my car I just add: `Ja jesam dičak!` (I am boy/way how you say that referring on pride/something like good boy/valuable boy). He understood and wanted to say something but instead I sow just how he salutes me with his hand. I carefully continued trhu village, village of my ancestors knowing that battle between evil and good isn`t finished.

Then I visited Vrana jezero (Crow`s/Raven`s lake) and I was very sad on lake of my ancestors, collected some stones, plants and peaces of soil like some relics. How we were punished for our loyalty to Slavdom, all of us, Orthodox and Catholics, without differences. How we failed to endure

I learned that there are much worse things then being dead. On the other side, it is truth, while there is life, there is hope.

I would help you too,like that old man.
but since i know who you are,you won't be welcome.you got to learn that Serbs that live in Croatia are just Croatian citizens,and Zagreb is where your tax money belongs.croatian army is your military duty,croatian anthem is sacred for you.
You can cherish your ancestors that came from Serbia,but you have no rights to claim land that my ancestors settled in 7 th century.yours came in 18 th century and have been given some land,after turks defeated you.so you are rerfugees from serbia.

so...i can predict only that you will be welcome in my country after you forget your greater serbia ideas,forget craps about catholic serbs,forget craps about serbs everyone and everywhere,and we will all live in peace.
there is so much hate in me for serbs,but when i meet some serbs that think european,i see i im wrong.we are all neighbours,and should try to tolerate one another.

but respect me,my country and my religion.don't try to deny it!
and you will be welcome same as everyone.
don't call again for russians to help you,or spread lies among poles,our allies who help us with food and guns when you attacked us.

You want to convince one Vraneš in your own historic delusions?! Man, my clan was ancestral Clan of many other clans and families. Only good God know when Serbian Crow clan appeared in Dalmatia, back far in totemistic and animistic times when name of our clan was extracted from the nature (Vraneš mean of Crow, Crow`s). Then, by clan`s name location of clan was named- Vrana/Crow village, then lake Crow`s lake. Crow was animal protector of tribe and clan. Then we adopted Christianity, later Christianity split on Orthodox and Catholicism. That was like a curse to my clan. That killed and still killing whole Serbdom and Slavdom. But, from the ashes we would arise!

Listen, seams that you don`t have to offer anything to this auditorium but pure propaganda (same old ustashe school).

Serbs are old autochtonous population (speaking of Serbian lands on right side of Drina river) of Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun, Banija, Slavonia, Bosnia, Herzegovina. Old ethnic Croat regions are only Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin. Istria belonged to Slovenians on the first place and then partly to Serbs.

Verbal traditions of my clan and family remembered when among old Serbian population of Dalmatia/Gorski Kotari/Lika arrived Serbian refuges from Raska and Sumadija (today`s Serbia, from left side of Drina river) asking for shelter in front Turkish beasts. So, Serbs retreated among Serbs and they were welcome. Croats appeared later and were welcome, too. Nobody could predict that Croats are biggest tool of Serbian destruction in the hands of our German, Austrian and Magyar foes.

ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF SLAV CULTURES ON THE EASTERN ADRIATIC COAST IN MEDIEVAL TIMES

Translated from Serbian by Jelena Stojicevic

1st International Conference on Succesion of Adriatic Sea & on Borders Inside Former Yugoslavia, Belgrade, September 2003

rastko.org.yu/projekti/klio/sk/djankovic_e.html


And then…






The Serbs in the Balkans in the light of Archaeological Findings, by Djordje Jankovic

rastko.org.yu/arheologija/djankovic-serbs_balkans.htm


Relationship Towards Serbian Monuments in Konavle, by Djordje Capin

rastko.org.yu/rastko-bo/istorija/djcapin-konavli_e.html

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Is this truth or you just trying to harm my feelings?! Official Poland actively supported creation of Greater Croatia (i know for media propaganda but this is behind that)?! Poland moved against Serbs?! I don`t believe that!

If this is truth give me strong proof and then expect my answer on this. Otherwise, just shut up!

let's just say that certain very powerful Polish catholic priests were strongest Croatian allies in a world.and still are.
Poland was among first countries to recognize Croatian independency.

Both countries wasted good opportunity to cooperate. The most profitable solution for society in my opinion is strong regionalism. Regions with wide autonomy, represented by one central goverment on international arena. This is common knowledge that small territory will be most likely better administered than bigger ones. While one central goverment would have stronger position dealing with the EU or USA. Western Balkans resined from such system and your diplomatic position is very weak. Slovenia is in the EU but why would any other country seriously care what is their opinion on various issues if their voting power is a bit more than zero?

no,perhaps we will cooperate like scandinavians in some 50 years,but never we will have same goverment or political centre.
we have sea,others don't and that makes us stronger.we don't want to share it with others who don't have it.
slovenia is indeed to small,so when we talk about balkan interests i think we should all cooperate.

The discussion here veered off. The basic question - relations between Serbs and Poles?
I think that the older generations show a much stronger Slavic sentiment. I do not mean "pan Slavic" which, I agree, is associated with the Russian version of it (and that didn't turn nicely for Western Slavs, but also the Southern Slavs).
Younger people are largely uninformed. They're fed the info from the broadcasting market dominated by the Anglo-Saxons - there's very little direct feedback. For example, when talking about Kosovo or Bosnia, it is fed to Polish public with their "slant".
Unlike Croatia, which Poles visit and can experience first-hand, my impression is that most Poles are aware of Serbs being Slavs like them, but do perceive them as more aggressive and raw (although most Europeans think that of all Balkan peoples).
At any rate, I never had any trouble while in Poland. Very nice people. I was amazed that there were many more similarities than expected - and although we're physically somewhat different (I'd say that Serbs and Croats are darker and taller than the Poles), there definitely is a "Slavic soul".
Pozdrav miloj Poljskoj

Poles! In the name of Christ don`t be last who would arise their voice against violence on Balkan Serbs. Your diplomacy has chance to react at least over fact that International order is endangered. Don`t let that our mutual enemies smile and triumph for they divided us. Listen to your heart and look on Serbian historic path. Nation can`t fail and accept evil as her key principles at night, as anti-Serbian propaganda suggests. Serbs never failed before, we still didn`t fail.

"Efforts to separate Kosovo deeply distressing"

8 January 2008 | 09:16 | Source: Tanjug
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=01&dd=08 &nav_id=46759

Lets see Serbs point of view.



Don't believe him.

Serbs and Russians they are really similar.

is it really necessary to answer on this provocation and stupidity, the question is now

Anyway, i would underline that this is obvious anti-Serbian propaganda, designed to initiate strong anti-Serbian feelings. Net is full of BS like that

Fact is that Serbs never eaten their enemies, especially not their children (God forbid!), nor in time of Racowie- in time of resistance to Teutons and Turks, nor in WWI, nor in WWII, NEVER.


Roko man, this propaganda presented by you should be considered as test for stupidity. So, if you believe this you have ultimate proof that you are stupid. Go ask for help. Serious help. Take medications

WWI WWII Teutons ? We are tallking about last decade. Mass murders are still alive and free. They are national heros in your country. Only western intervention saved so many people there. They didn't want to live with you in one country. Connections between your and Russian culture are so clean. Serbs = Little Russians. I have seen in TV that Polish symphaty for Serbs is very close to symphaty for Gipsies. Football hooligans like you (10% of PF members), so you have some support but you can forget about serious people.

I am sure that Russians have eaten some Germans.

Well, down there, in winter, Germans were on menu for sure ;)

In last decade Serbs were biggest victims and that is obvious fact considering that we were faced with combined attack of Croatian ustashe, Bosnian Muslim extremists, Arabic mujaheedines, Albanian fanatics, NATO. Those are facts

Mass murders of Serbs were normal in today`s Croatia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Kosovo, Metohija, during Civil War (same as in WWII). What is most important for those who seek for facts about events in region is, that killing of Serbs has ideological background, while some crimes committed by some Serbs were regularly provoked by actions of other sides involved in conflict or as result of criminal (mafia) activity (criminal groups of all sides were especial problem). In Serbia, we even today have investigations in case with actions of mafia members, black market activity, etc.

But, to underline. Only, killing (extermination) and ethnical cleansing of Serbs had institutional background and was/is even approved and supported by NATO, EU and official USA, Germany, Britain, France, Holand.


Let it be clear, agreement in case with Slovenian separation was reached between Serbian and Slovenian authorities before German involvement in political process.

In Croatia, voices of germanized Zagreb people decided about separation (about 50% of complete Croatian population able to vote). Serbs were erased from Croatian constitution, Serbian rights were violated and their right to stay in Yugoslavia (which was legal by constitution!), Croatian extreme ustashe emigration from WWII has come back to Croatia, started killing of Serbs at night.

Later, after Civil War, in Montenegro, Albanian voices were crucial for separation of Montenegro.

So, what you Roko man talking about?

Now Crow you are in the right direction.Continue like this.

Public in Western Slavic countries starting to support Serbs openly. Significant influence on moral in Serbia has fact that support initiates people and parliaments. Thanks Czechs

Czech Parliament may reject an independent Kosovo

08-01-2008] By Jan Richter
http://www.radio.cz/en/article/99376


Martin Povejšil- the political director at the Czech Foreign Ministry

Something about Serbs that you maybe didn`t know. Something what older generations of Poles remembered...

Serbia During The WW2 / Hitler's Most Catastrophic Mistake
http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,2105612119.aspx

It's not a fact at all. What is a fact is that the Serbs committed terrible atrocities against Muslims, Croats etc etc. Read their eyewitness testimonies - methods of death included being ground up in the teeth of food processing plants, being cut apart in wood processing plants, being clubbed with hammers etc etc, not to mention your death camps. Women, children, babies, the elderly - it didn't matter.

Who cares about what the Serbs did during WW2. My grandparents were Croatian and fought the Nazis too. What I find particularly scary is the way some Serbs feel that their fight against the Turk and nazi somehow justified killing other Yugoslavs. To think this kind of atrocity took place in the last part of the C20 is disgusting. You obviously have no grasp of the situation if you feel that NATO did an injustice by coming in. The fact is Serbia didnt like the fact that the disintegration of Yugoslavia and decided that an extermination campaign was the best way to solve the problem.

Unfortunately, this ethnic poison has now crept into other countries, like Australia. Serbs and Croats are scared to tell you where they are from if asked, thinking there may be repurcussions - thats a fact, I've experienced it.

Erm...that Serbia whose capital Belgrade got captured by a handful of german soldiers without firing a shot???

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I don't understand...how can the Czechs denounce an declaration of independence from another country???

What crap!

Important for understandings of Serbian position, interesting from the angle of Polish-Serbian relations...

key fragmets:

ADDRESS BY PRIME MINISTER OF SERBIA VOJISLAV KOSTUNICA TO SERBIAN PARLIAMENT
Belgrade, 26 December 2007
http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Policy/Priorities/KIM/kostunica261207_e.html

Neocons do not have a special respect for treaties.

What than we have in international relations if we don`t have respect for treaties?

chaos, i would say

lol,3 men on a motorbike,phone the serb army up and say "surrender",heroic serbs say"ok,can we suck your german sausage aswell" lmao.
Crow,havnt you noticed something,NO ONE SUPPORTS YOU OR YOU LOONY THEORIES apart from Southern,and Im guessing he is from one of the micro states sh it scared your bandits will wipe them out as well.....