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matthias
  Mar 10, 08, 13:13  #631

Crow wrote:
what we see here now (in Serbia) is atempt of EU to desintegrate Serbian state and to destroy Serbs as politicaly, ethnic and militarily factor on Balkan. In the same time, target is complete Slavic world


You know I support you in this cause but the EU is not trying to attempt this..... Their intentions maybe ignorant but they are not sinister...


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 10, 08, 13:45  #632

matthias wrote:
You know I support you in this cause but the EU is not trying to attempt this..... Their intentions maybe ignorant but they are not sinister...

dobri brate matthias :)

EU failed as serious interest grupation and even represent itself as anti-Slavic tool of some powers. NATO even don`t deserve to be comented

i call my Polish brothers and sisters that they seriously re-examine their attitude toward Russians, in this decisive moment for Slavic South. Poles please, give chance to Russia. Let Russia prove its honest intentions in dirrection of true democratization and let Russia prove that honestly wants to share its enormous resources with Slavic world (for all Slavs defended those resources thru history).

Serbs now, need support of both- Poles and Russians, if we were to endure. We need wings; our kin nations should be our wings.

Look brate, while EU drain our life taking our territories, Russia trying to help in our mutual interest...

Russia to cancel visas for Serbians

9 March 2008 | 16:27 | Source: B92, FoNet
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=09 &nav_id=48311

MOSCOW -- Russia is undertaking procedures to allow for a state agreement on the abolishment of visas with Serbia.

"Russia will maximally ease conditions for entry of Serbian citizens," the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Mikhail Kamynin told journalists in Moscow.



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matthias
  Mar 10, 08, 14:04  #633

Crow wrote:
EU failed as serious interest grupation and even represent itself as anti-Slavic tool of some powers.


I disagree, eastern Europe has made great strides in gaining influence in the EU..

Crow wrote:
Poles please, give chance to Russia. Let Russia prove its honest intentions in dirrection of true democratization and let Russia prove that honestly wants to share its enormous resources with Slavic world (for all Slavs defended those resources thru history).


That's what Tusk is doing, kind of hard when you hear nuclear threats at your country...


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 10, 08, 15:14  #634

matthias wrote:
matthias

its easy to you Poljaci; you have where to retreat when mask of EU fall down. You have Serbians at your side. Remember that


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matthias
  Mar 10, 08, 15:18  #635

Crow wrote:
You have Serbians on your side


It's good to know, however I think Serbia would choose Russia over Poland...


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Crow
  Mar 10, 08, 15:24  #636

matthias wrote:
however I think Serbia would choose Russia over Poland

Serbs refuse such a choice. That is choice that would our non-Slavic foes wanted to impose on us

but, they miscalculates.

Torturing us, they awaken sleeping Slavdom


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matthias
  Mar 10, 08, 15:33  #637

Crow wrote:
Serbs refuse such a choice.


Serbia might refuse such a choice but in the end they might not have a choice... Russia is not a big fan of Poland's growing politcal power... Russia will make Serbia choose..

Crow wrote:
That is choice that would our non-Slavic foes wanted to impose on us


How so???..... trust me when EU was recognizing Kosovo it was not on their mind that Serbian and Polish relations might suffer....

Crow wrote:
they awaken sleeping Slavdom


I appreciate your love for the Slavic race but if Russia had this love also maybe your dream of Slavdom would be possible..


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 11, 08, 12:10  #638

matthias wrote:
I appreciate your love for the Slavic race but if Russia had this love also maybe your dream of Slavdom would be possible..

those young Slavs all over the Slavic world, who protest to support Serbs in time when EU trying to create narco- sex traficking- mujahedine- Albanian Kosova state, on Serbian ground,... could in the blink of en eye, decide to reinforce their governmants on closer relations inside of Slavic world

those young Slavs, knows that they are Slavs, no more, no less. They wants to survive as Slavs and seams that young Slavs trust to each others, more then to `their` politicians

Why you Matthias think that situation depend on Russian or on Polish governmant? On any particular governmant of Slavic countries?

Slavija maybe coming faster then we expect


brate Matthias, my devotion to Slavdom, my dream, does not depend on stance of any governmant or politician. I am born as Slav, that is my heritage, i believe in it. That`s how i decided to live and to died.


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matthias
  Mar 11, 08, 12:36  #639

Crow wrote:
Why you Matthias think that situation depend on Russian or on Polish governmant? On any particular governmant of Slavic countries?


It depends on all slavic nations, however you must admit that the ones with the largest populations will be the most necessary in terms of military,economic and political power in international affairs.

Crow wrote:
brate Matthias, my devotion to Slavdom, my dream, does not depend on stance of any governmant or politician. I am born as Slav, that is my heritage, i believe in it. That`s how i decided to live and to died.


I applaud you for that... One day this might come true but it's not going to be on Russia's terms. I'd rather die than have Russia control Poland again.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 11, 08, 14:01  #640

more support to Serbs...

Kosowo jest Serbskie - Kosovo is Serbia! GAZETA.PL



Kosovo je Srbsko - Praha 23.2.2008



Choreo na podporu Srbska



Slavs say NO to Kosovo independence!





Kosovo, Serbia: church set in flames by muslim Albanians



AN - Srbsko - refering on Kosovo battle in 1389, Serbs Vs. Turks
in insert from the movie- note Serbian warlord (Knez Lazar) who used helmet with bull horns




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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 13, 08, 14:34  #641

Who would get support of Polish inteligentsia, on example of Kosovo? France or Russia? Albania or Serbia?

This time, Russians are on the right side and Serbs would say... Long live Russia! Shame on France!


Lavrov, Kouchner in Kosovo clash

12 March 2008 | 20:24 | Source: Tanjug
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=12 &nav_id=48398


Time to end the spar: Lavrov and Kouchner in news conference yesterday (FoNet)

PARIS -- Russian and French foreign ministers Sergei Lavrov and Bernard Kouchner engaged in a verbal showdown over Kosovo.

"The fact that the EU, the United Nations and other international structures have decided to choose this solution for the Kosovo problem, which does not fit with the point of view of our partners [Russia], does not mean that we must end this dialogue."

"Excuse me, but I am unaware that the UN has made any decision that does not fit with the point of view of your Russian partners," Lavrov said.

Kouchner produced a "wide smile" and said he was "not surprised that Lavrov said that".

"Why would it surprise you, it's the truth," Lavrov retorted.



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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 14, 08, 13:47  #642

after all, from long time ago official Poland was aware who is behind of `innocent` Bosnian Muslims. From long time ago Poland resist to `friendly` USA pressure...

Poland Is Resisting U.S. Call That It Sell Tanks to Bosnia

By RAYMOND BONNER
Published: September 3, 1996
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9807EFD61338F930A3575AC 0A960958260

the Polish Government is resisting selling battle tanks to the incipient Bosnian Army, American and Polish officials said

A special Clinton Administration envoy to the Balkans, James W. Pardew Jr., is expected here at the end of the week to try once again to persuade Warsaw to aid in the controversial program to train and equip the army of the Muslim and Croatian federation, which controls about half of Bosnia while the Bosnian Serbs control the rest.

Consequently, money for the weapons, other than those being supplied by the United States, is coming primarily from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Malaysia.



lessons of history...

The History of Jihad against the Poles, Lithuanians, Belarusians and Ukrainians (1444 -1699)
http://www.historyofjihad.org/poland.html

The Battle of Varna was the first battle in which Polish arms crossed those of the invading Ottomans. Responding to the appeals of help from the Serbs and Bulgarians and a general appeal from the Pope to all Europeans to rush to the aid of Bulgaria which was being ravaged by the Ottoman Jihadis, the Poles joined in large numbers to challenge the Ottoman at Varna.



ultimate example of ancient Slavic military docrine (Winged Cavalry, born in Serbia, upgraded in Poland)...

A Winged Hussar. The merciless slaughter of the Jihadis by the Husaria, (Polish armored cavalry) saved Vienna enabled the Christian army to completely rout the Jihadis. The Husaria alongside with the cooperation of the infantry, played an important role in the victory. Sobieski with his Husaria charged toward Kara Mustafa's headquarters and mercilessly slaughtered all the Turks that he had at his mercy. Seeing this, Mustafa's army was demoralized. The legends that Sobieski�s earlier victories and his ruthlessness had built an aura of awe and fear in the hearts of the Turks against Sobeiski. And faced with another victory for their dreaded adversary, the Turks fled in panic.


Thanks Northern Sarmatians, thanks Poles. You were there for us, as we were there for you- in time of your need.

While Serbians can dare to criticizes Polish politicians, same as their own, we refuse to be angree on Poles, even in agony.

Glory to Poland!


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tornado2007
  Mar 14, 08, 13:50  #643

Crow wrote:

The History of Jihad against the Poles, Lithuanians, Belarusians and Ukrainians (1444 -1699)

i'm sorry but this is an example of how sad sad sad some people are, there is history and then there is history, i mean really talkig about 1444-1699, have you nothing better to do than cry about the past.

MOVE ON AND LIVE YOUR LIVES


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Crow
  Mar 14, 08, 13:58  #644

tornado2007 wrote:
MOVE ON AND LIVE YOUR LIVES

hah, when you mentioned

Here is fresh info, presented on very popular and interesting way

Michael Savage: Kosovo's Independence Immoral, February 2008

youtube.com/watch?v=UEHZ5PqIcuo


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tornado2007
  Mar 14, 08, 14:00  #645

Crow wrote:

hah, when you mentioned

Here is fresh info, presented on very popular and interesting way

Michael Savage: Kosovo's Independence Immoral, February 2008

Kosovo has been given its independence, you have to deal with that and move on, you may feel like you've lost something but its too late to do anything about it now mate.


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janekb
  Mar 14, 08, 14:01  #646

Dear Crow,
Intelligentsia and nobility were essentially wiped out by German extermination and following years of pseudo-communism. These not only physically eliminated individuals, but it destroyed the national ethos, honesty, and honor as these not only marked person for destruction but made him unable to survive in imposed realities. Those who survived were not the ones who in normal circumstances will become leaders. Right after the oppressive regime collapse country is subjected to the equally ruthless and soul destructive capitalism. Again the new system for sure is not promoting reflection or honesty. There is a typically capitalistic slogan “honesty is a good policy”, if it is a policy than it is not honest. Honesty is a character trait and self control, it has nothing to do with commerce. When it comes to nobility, those either run away (obviously not taking seriously their obligation, these were fair weather nobility), perished or vanished (some gone into a form of hiding by becoming small farmers).
Thus, Crow, do not expect upright behavior from either people or Polish government.
You also are making mistake addressing this forum which is of immigrants, living mainly in the US. Pre WW2 immigrants came almost exclusively from the most impoverished regions of Poland and there they were usually poorest and least educated. This people very easily adopted style and “culture” of their new country. The later emigration was better educated but out of necessity, choice, or simply by absorption adapted capitalist pragmatism. The latest (past 1990) emigration is for entirely commercial reasons these people were corrupted by pseudo-communism and finished by commercialism. They have no interest in the world politics, with possible exception of Poland, and being subjected to the relentless and skillful propaganda they will present and follow US policies.
Neither people in Poland or emigrants have no memory nor understanding of pan-slavic ethos or history.

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  Mar 14, 08, 14:03  #647

tornado2007 wrote:
MOVE ON AND LIVE YOUR LIVES


This is a thread about Polish - Serbian relations throughout history - so if you don't find anything here interesting why are you reading posts and commenting?

tornado2007 wrote:
Kosovo has been given its independence, you have to deal with that and move on, you may feel like you've lost something but its too late to do anything about it now mate.


There is no such thing as an "independent Kosovo" it is under occupation by NATO criminals who annexed Serbian territory and are using Albanians as their puppets. America built there it's largest military base in Europe. It is a NATO colony.

NATO


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Crow
  Mar 14, 08, 14:08  #648

Crnogorac wrote:
This is a thread about Polish - Serbian relations throughout history - so if you don't find anything here interesting why are you reading posts and commenting?

simply

some people want to prevent me to inform Poles, to prevent that some young and brave Polish journalist investigate that what i speak and inevitable conclude that Serbs now defend Poland, too, again. ... that Serbs are right, all these years


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matthias
  Mar 14, 08, 14:17  #649

Crow wrote:
some people want to prevent me to inform Poles, to prevent that some young and brave Polish journalist investigate that what i speak and inevitable conclude that Serbs now defend Poland, too, again. ... that Serbs are right, all these years


Recognizing Kosovo was a big mistake... I hope this ends well for Serbia..... I just don't see it happening... Best of luck to you and the people of Serbia...


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 15, 08, 13:28  #650

Serious demonstration in Poland against the independance of Kosovo

Kosovo is Serbia! Polish support for Serbian brothers!



Kosovo je srpsko - Cracovia 01.03.2008





in the same time

mrs piggy is mad on Byelorussians...



U.S. Ambassador to Belarus leaves Minsk

12/ 03/ 2008
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080312/101157518.html

MINSK, March 12 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. Ambassador to Belarus left Minsk for Washington on Wednesday, the U.S. embassy said on its website.



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Jozef Pilsudski
  Mar 15, 08, 13:49  #651

Serbia is getting much support today from the Russians, on the Kosovo issue, and with their ethnic secessionist squabbles with the Croats and the Bosniaks, among other things, so they certainly need said support. Belgrade's ties are closer to Moscow than Warsaw so I predict that as Russia and Poland grow further apart, Serbia and Poland will become rather estranged.

However, I personally like Serbs from those of whom I've met and I do get the impression that despite the decision of the Polish government (which was essentially strongarmed by the French, the British, the Italians, and the rest of the EU, save Spain and Romania) the majority of the Polish people identified with Serbia's plight against that of the ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 15, 08, 13:56  #652

Jozef Pilsudski wrote:
so I predict that as Russia and Poland grow further apart, Serbia and Poland will become rather estranged.

i can predict something, too.

I beleve that, in decisive moment, we can expect that Russian, Polish and Serbian (etc) governmants collapse and Slavic people on plebiscite/streets decide on some form of Slavic alliance.

that what we see these days- support to Serbs all over the Slavic world, is prelude for this scenario

simply, what is enough, it is enough.


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Jozef Pilsudski
  Mar 15, 08, 14:00  #653

I beleve that, in decisive moment, we can expect that Russian, Polish and Serbian (etc) governmants collapse and Slavic people on plebiscite/streets decide on some form of Slavic alliance.


With the current and historic animosity between Poles and Russians, I'm not sure that is likely at all.

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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 15, 08, 14:10  #654

Jozef Pilsudski wrote:
With the current and historic animosity between Poles and Russians, I'm not sure that is likely at all.

give time to EU, to Eurabia and you would see how biggest Russian Orthodox and biggest Polish Catholic starting to tend to have closer mutual relations

We live in time when differences between Catholic-Protestant-Orthodox Slavs looks prity rediculous in comparison with some other things which would be imposed on Slavs, if we are stupid

In one moment Slavs would stand, look at each others and agree that Slavic Alliance represent ultimate solution- respond on situation/globalisation.


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Crow
  Mar 22, 08, 16:18  #655

Thx to all fans! Incredible video of Slavic solidarity and responsibility!

KOSOVO is SERBIA
by
Polish, Russian, Czech, Slovak and other Slavic and non-Slavic football supporters...




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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Mar 22, 08, 16:46  #656

Crow wrote:
In one moment Slavs would stand, look at each others and agree that Slavic Alliance represent ultimate solution- respond on situation/globalisation.


I don't get you Crow!

You wish for governments to collapse, for turmoil, for the EU to collapse, for an Eurabia - all bad things just for a chance of an "pan-slavic alliance!"

What for? What would you want to have such an alliance do in an by now destroyed Europe?
You hate to see a Poland and other slavic countries to prosper in the EU. You wish they would fail and stay poor, isn't it. So big is your love for your slavic brothers.

What's so bad in an EU where countries work together and prosper regardless if they are germanic or slavic or marsian???
How do you think a slavic alliance could give the slavic countries the same possibilities to develop and grow as enemies of the rest of Europe.
You would have to bow down to and rely on Russia...do you want that?


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lesser
  Mar 22, 08, 16:52  #657

Bratwurst Boy wrote:
What's so bad in an EU


Please visit anti-EU thread that I posted and start polemic.

URL


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Bratwurst Boy
  Mar 22, 08, 16:54  #658

lesser wrote:

Please visit anti-EU thread that I posted and start polemic.


There is no alternative, period!


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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Mar 22, 08, 16:56  #659

Bratwurst Boy wrote:
There is no alternative, period!



to degenerated socialist bureaucracy?


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Mar 22, 08, 16:58  #660

lesser wrote:
to degenerated socialist bureaucracy?


It's like the democractic system in our countries...sometimes disturbing, often annoying but the best thing we ever came up with.
It will never be perfect, there will always be alot to *****
about but as I said, there is no real alternative.

Europe has the best decades in our whole dreary history, never was the chance that we all prosper in democracy and peace bigger than now!
For all righteous critics I wish you would never forget the big picture and never stop to compare Europe before the EU and Europe with EU!
The decision should be easy!


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