What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

Switzerland is democratic, our countries are not. Don't you have the courage to admit obvious fact? You don't see alternative because you are brained-washed by mainstream media. Germans in Germany are disgrace comparing with Germanic people from Switzerland or Liechtenstein.

Truth is they have the luxury of being truly democratic surrounded and protected by the EU and they don't have to dabble in international politics....

Erm...yeah...sure....

to illustrate situation on Kosovo and to show you who is victim there... [i`ll put in bold parts where Poles are mentioned]

BAN of SLAVIC LANGUAGES on KOSOVO

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Kosovo/occupation/no-Slavs-allowed.html

U.N. Official Killed in Kosovo

By George Jahn
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 12, 1999



The U.N. police who are of Slavic descent warned not to use their native languages in Kosovo

Excerpt from:
"Blast Damages Train Bridge in Kosovo"
By Danica Kirka
Associated Press Writer
Saturday, November 6, 1999


KOSOVO: DESCENT INTO BARBARISM

By Justin Raimondo
EtherZone.com
October 21, 1999

KRUMOV'S FATE


SOMETHING'S ROTTEN IN THE STATE OF KOSOVO



The Witch-Hunt in Kosovo Must Clearly Be Called to a Halt

By Anna Husarska (Crow to note- interesting surname!), Published: FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1999
http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/11/12/edanna.t.php

The EU actually pressure them to accept their socialist solutions. Recently German government invigilated bank from Liechtenstein. Both countries are hated by Brussels bureaucracy because they serve as an example to people in Europe that EU thievery is not the only way like they claim.

It was Liechtenstein that was protecting criminals trying to dodge the German tax system... Germany had every right to be mad...

And how right we were!
Your famed Liechtenstein is a parasite which lives off the the work of their neighbours.
Rich people who earn their money in Germany and other countries try to avoid following the laws and they are too greedy to pay their taxes. They want only to take and not to give something back!
Countries like Liechtenstein who have nothing else to offer live from stealing, to put it bluntly...it was about time somebody did something to stop that!

PS: And Brussels doesn't "hate" someone.
In case you don't know it but Brüssel is made up by delegates from the member states. These governments are democratically elected - means, to change policy in Brussel you better start at home! That's called democracy!

You must be joking if you claim that a country or even a bank should ask its clients from what source they have money on their accounts. You want totalitarian state or what?



If such policy serve well to them then why Germans wont offer the same conditions on their territory. Because it is better to cry and complain?

I thought Liechtenstein was run by a prince who treats his subjects with an annual barbeque and work in a false-teeth factory.

No but when Germany presents evidence where that money comes from they should be more cooperative...

said by one German Net entity

Listen, you don`t know anything about Slavic alternatives, while I understan that your kind don`t have altrenative, no matter that you have alternative

Don't play daft!
Liechtenstein (and also your famed Swiss) lived for decades on these laws they made with open eyes knowing that they offer something which is illegal in most other countries - that's the reason for their success!
They know exactly the clientel which comes and uses their offer! They don't open their banks for "lesser" or "Bratwurst boy"....you need some zeros more on your cheque....



At last we stopped complaining and actually did something about it. It will now be much harder for tax dodgers...and the "good image" of Liechtenstein as a safe haven should be history too!

You cannot invigilate banks, this is illegal. Illegal evidence is not valid. Look what they are doing, do you really want to invigilated all the time? Some time ago German minister (if I recall correctly) officially admitted in German parliament that they invigilate internet as well even if this is illegal in this country.



Follow them if this is profitable but don't cry about it because this is pathetic.



This is all your logic, instead improve your own country, you prefer to force other countries to accept your low standards. This is common mindset in the EU.

Btw, please remind me how low is Germany's GDP grow?

what???? sure should we just let banks do as they please... We could and should investigate banks because they can be used to protect criminals....

Matthias, really you should read some Orwell books... I don't want to live in a totalitarian country.

You are kidding, don't you? You don't advise to change german laws to make tax dodging legal in Germany, right?

Some sick old men are using holidays in asia to abuse kiddies.
Do you advise Germany should legalize paedophily so that these poor men don't have to travel that far?

PS: Liechtenstein can further do what they want, but our courts will have to do alot in the coming months to get our tax money back from our culprits.
And future wannabe tax dodgers will think twice to use Liechtensteins services knowing now that they can never again be totally sure.



Erm...???
And that has to do with this topic exactly what???

I understand where your coming from however we must find a balance. You can't just allow banks to do as they please and at the same time allow the government to do as they please.... The right balance with oversight must be found...

The CELTIC CROSS





link for more pics:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=celtic+cross&um=1&ie=UTF-8

text:
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefscelticcros s.htm


Origins of Celtic cross aren`t known only to those (ignorants!) who does not wish to see obvious truth- that old Celts were branch of Slavs (Proto-Slavs).

But, Serbians- last bearers of Sarmatian name, children of Scordiscs and Dinarids, remembered. Serbs exactly know what represent symbolism of Celtic cross (explained on 21 st page of this thread)


Now, let us again see coin of Polish King Mieszko I, true Sarmatian [NOTE- of great importance is fact that we see Cross wirh OCILA used togather with Swastika, on same coin. That is proof that user/King Mieszko, understand that symbols stays connected]:



then, see OCILA- Serbian cross:






Obviously, when speak about old Celtic cross, we in fact speak about ancient Slavic symbol- which is still in use...

this is my Serbia, where all Christian proviniences enjoy in mutual tolerance and respect. I would underline for all you who were/are victims of anti-Serbian propaganda in past 20 years and now; this athmosphere existed before Milosevic, during Milosevic and after Milosevic.

In fact, many who are familiar with facts in case with events in former Yugoslavia and are aware of Serbian hospitality and tolerance (open-minded thinking) are prity surprised having in mind all injustice what Serbs endured in recent past and what level of pressure they just need to endure.

I will tell you what is Serbian secret, how we endured and survived as humans in the eyes of God and our ancestors. We endured thanks to our deep devotion to Slavdom. How can we hate Catholics, no matter what Croatian ustashe (germanized Slavs/great deal of them- former Serbs) did to us, when we know that Poles are also Catholics? Slovaks, too. How can we hate Protestants in general when we know that many Czechs are Protestants. Etc, etc. And so, we don`t hate. We look forward in one batter world, where would Slavs walk with dignity, free to enjoy their great cultural and linguistic heritage. We are here to tell to Poles- its not Yugoslavia (Pan-Slavic idea) who failed but, Yugoslavia was destroyed from outside.

Serbia's Catholics, Protestants celebrate Easter

23 March 2008 | 11:43 | Source: B92

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=23& nav_id=48715






i myself, would use this opportunity for congratultions...

``Best wishes to all Catholic and Protestant Slavic brothers here on the board and who may come in this thread! Best wishes to Polish Catholics! Best wishes to all Catholics of the world! After all, best wishes to staff members of Polishforums.com!

Hristos voskrese! Христос воскресе! [Christ resurrected!]``

God bless you all!

Realistically you don't need to be on Liechtenstein level. What German politicians should do is lower income tax to such level that would make too risky to cheat the state. Current German government raised income tax for the richest Germans from 42% (!) to 45% (!!!). So how anybody could be surprised that they will do everything to avoid paying it? Who is a real thieve in this situation, those taxpayers or maybe the state? Below a comparison that I'm sure you will like.

For those earning over RM 100,000 a year the proportion going in taxation rose from 38% in 1938 to 54% in 1940.
War and Economy in the Third Reich
R. J. Overy

Today's socialist Germany reached levels set by National Socialists in Third Reich. Any comments? Speak for itself...



Pathetic 1%! While you ask ridiculous questions like above... and defend this system...



This is completely insane comparison. You compare competition to an obvious crime in every civilized country... This mentality led Schroeder to criticize low in comparison with Germany taxes in Poland. Thus your government instead try to compete prefer force all other EU members via Brussels bureaucracy to set the same level of taxes everywhere just to save your little socialist hole. This is simply unacceptable.

And? Tax evasion IS a crime in every civilized country too, isn't it?



WHAT??? Evidence please...



Our system isn't bad....we are one of the most successful countries in the world...it can't be that bad! :)
Even after the re-unification woes with rebuilding the half of the country AND paying billions into the EU funds and still we managed to be export world champion three times...wealthy, peaceful, democratic...not bad at all...I would rather say worth defending! (I admit it isn't and probably never will be perfect but we could do alot worse)



I will leave that post of your's better uncommented to enjoy for all...
Oh and todays Germany uses Autobahns and Volkswagen as in the Third Reich, are we Nazi now???

PS: Apropos high taxes...Germany isn't by far on the top:
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"Economics abroad: Denmark surpasses Sweden for world's highest tax burden"
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With Belgium, Hungary and also France near by...

And why pointing only at Germany?

"...Other EU member states including the UK and Spain, as well as countries like the US and Canada, have also launched investigations against citizens suspected of hiding income in Liechtenstein. "

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Do you think all those countries should give up their laws and change their systems?

:)

And since you are so interested in taxes....here an interesting snippet:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0204.html

"...We sometimes dismiss European countries as uncompetitive welfare states and ignore the fact that many have improved their business climates. In fact, a recent study by the Economist Intelligence Unit placed the United States second, behind the Netherlands, for the "best place in the world to conduct business."[3] And a study by GrowthPlus, a European think tank, compared 10 major countries to determine which had the best environment for entrepreneurial growth companies.[4] Again, the United States finished second, this time behind Britain.

In the last few years, the corporate tax rate was cut in Denmark, France, Ireland, Germany, Poland, and Portugal, as well as many countries outside of Europe (see Figure 2). Even socialistic Sweden has a top corporate tax rate of just 28 percent. It is certainly true that overall European taxes, when measured as a share of gross domestic product, are much higher than U.S. taxes. However, Europe has shifted about one-third of its overall tax burden to less distortionary consumption taxes.[5] "

How horrible for poor, oppressed Europeans, right?
Bad, bad Brussels....how totalitarian of Germany...

If some politician would vote to set 80% or 99% of income tax then according to such laws tax evasion would be a crime as well. When a state steal about half of your income (if you would add other taxes then even more!) then I call it a serious pathology. In such conditions from moral point of view tax evasion is understandable.



Gerhard Schröder, the former German chancellor, also backed harmonised rates, but Berlin's enthusiasm for the idea has waned. However, Germany, like other western European countries, could benefit from increased transparency through a common tax base.
(...)
The push towards increased EU tax competition has emerged after 18 months of debate in western Europe, as "old" member states struggled to come to terms with the enlargement of the EU in May 2004 and the advent of low tax competition from eastern Europe.

The initial response from France and Germany was to try to bully the eight new members from the former communist bloc into raising their corporate tax rates, to stop them poaching business through unfair "fiscal dumping".

Jacques Chirac, French president, and Mr Schröder threatened to cut off EU regional aid to the low tax countries unless they put up their rates; Estonia, for example, has a zero rate for some corporate taxes, and Slovakia has a flat tax of 19 per cent.

Brussels eyes common EU corporate tax rules



This is not the same system that brought prosperity anymore, now you are faling down and 1% of Germany's GDP grow just confirm it.




I'm tackling the EU bureaucracy as a common project of European socialists. I raised German example just because you are German to give you a chance defend your corrupt politicians if you would want.


Of course, because somebody else doing something very wrong doesn't means that others should follow them. Unfortunately very populist politicians run in many countries.



You don't think in perspective of many years, if Europe continue its socialist way while developing countries otherwise, someday old continent will become the hole of the world. A country where it is unprofitable to be rich must fall down no matter how prosperous is these days.

Frankly I think you are dead wrong on all accounts...just look at the US, you won't call them socialists, won't you and look how they fall and struggle whereas "socialist" (a title many will disagree with btw) Europe prospers...

Let's see what will happen! :)

PS: For the GDP of Germany look here:

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Third Place overall

For a country of barely 80 millions lacking nearly all important natural resources not bad....not bad at all!
Our system is okay, we could do alot worse! :)

Not to mention that the oh so bad and oh so corrupt and oh so oppressive European Union leads in all lists with the Euro now dwarfing the once so mighty Dollar.

The politically, socially and economical history of the European Union is a unique success story!
We started out with absolutely nothing in a war torn, destroyed continent full of hate and distrust - most people just laughed at the idea...and now look at us!
Our miserable politicians must still be doing something right...

PS: And to fight the upcoming battles Europe will only have a chance as a unified power...only all together not everybody for his own and against his neighbours - THEN we all become easy prey.
So instead to shoot againt the EU all the time you should help!

The US falling down exactly because they abandoned their traditional politics and installing more and more socialist projects. Europe don't prosper, few years ago the EU announced so called "Lisbon strategy" aimed to reach US economy. While slogans of Lisbon strategy are still just on paper, American economy despite populist American politicians increased its advantage over the EU. Try to read something about this issue...



Germany is so high in this statistic because of its past policy. While GDP grow describe quality of Germany's current policy. Because of your past achievements you have more money to waste on socialist policy than other countries, but someday pocket will be empty. Think about the future!

I would rather say their longstanding consumer "bubble" did burst....



Nope!
Germany isn't the same, old since 1989 already.
Big changes sweeped the country, not to mention the huge strain of re-building the eastern part and helping to integrate many newcomers into the EU...and still...our economical success is undeniable!

And no, the US economy has barely an advantage over the EU anymore....(other than a high Euro being a disadvantage for export oriented economies like Germany)

I find it funny that in your opinion everybody else does it wrong but you, lesser, knows the only, the right way! :)

PS: Did you know that our minister for finances announced for this year the first balanced budget since re-unification? Means no new debts + a huge trade surplus!
Our pockets are filling again...

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"... on Sunday, 24 February 2008

When Michael Glos presented Germany's Annual Economic Report 2008 in late January, the economy minister had all reason for optimism: Germany remains on an impressive expansion course, the economic recovery is making itself felt among the people, and the government reforms are finally paying off.

Instead of the 1.8% growth predicted in the 2007 report, the economy grew by 2.5%, and unemployment is now down to 9% - the lowest level since 1995. Compared to previous phases of recovery, unemployment is falling significantly faster.

Consumer confidence increased substantially, and private disposable income is expected to grow by 2.7% faster than consumer prices in 2008.

Even the almost two-decade old government budget deficit could be consolidated, with Glos announcing the first balanced state budget since 1989 thanks to massive tax yields on the back of robust growth.

Germany also held its ground as the world's largest export nation, followed by China and the United States.

The recovery was not without a price, however. Dubbed for many years as the "Sick man of Europe," Germany's economic growth since the early 1990's was slower in comparison to any major industrialised nation, steadily decreasing to a devastating 0.8% in 2005...."

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Not bad at all...

You must be joking, subsiding Eastern Germany became recently the primary example of ineffectiveness of redistribution of wealth theory. Post-communist policy in Eastern Germany is commonly acknowledged by economists as a disaster.

East driving Germany to ruin, says leaked report
Slow death of a small German town as women pack up and head west

Germany had a huge recession with massive unemployment. Only by getting all their smart economists together did they manage to avert an even bigger downward spiral.

And still our economy is soaring...:)
How come?

Forget it Lesser...I look at the EU and I like what I see (not that there aren't lot's of things which could be better but that's normal I think).

Let us just agree that we disagree, okay?

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Ever heard of "Silicon Saxony"? :)

"...Saxony has many pictures, and every picture tells a different story that in turn creates history: The digital heart of the chip industry beats in Dresden. In Leipzig and Dresden researchers and young entrepreneurs work hand in hand in the fields of biotechnology and environmental engineering. The traditional "heart" of Saxony’s industry beats in the region around Chemnitz/ Zwickau. Whether it be mechanical engineering or 100 years of "Autoland Saxony" - an industry rich in tradition has developed from smart ideas and intelligent solutions. Today, Saxony is a prime business venue for global players - Volkswagen, BMW, and Porsche, AMD and Infineon, NILES-SIMMONS-HEGENSCHEIDT, STARRAG, and GlaxoSmithKline...."

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The East is coming around....not bad at all!

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(Sadly only in german)

"Wie Phönix aus der Asche -- das europäische Silicon Valley an der Elbe"
(Like a Phoenix from the ashes - the european silicon valley at the Elbe river)

Germany is a formidable force now. Btw, why isn't Germany a nuclear power? That could be another thread