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Bratwurst Boy
  Mar 24, 08, 08:20  #691

Seanus wrote:
Btw, why isn't Germany a nuclear power? That could be another thread


You mean nuclear weapons??? Would you like that? And why???


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Seanus
  Mar 24, 08, 09:07  #692

I wouldn't like that. It's just that France and the UK are and we are the 3 big powers in Europe. It does serve as a deterrent tho BB


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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Mar 24, 08, 09:09  #693

Seanus wrote:
I wouldn't like that. It's just that France and the UK are and we are the 3 big powers in Europe. It does serve as a deterrent tho BB


"We"? "BB"???

???

I don't think Germany needs nuclear weapons....


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Seanus
  Mar 24, 08, 09:16  #694

Sorry, Germany, France and the UK. Who needs nuclear weapons?


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lesser
  Mar 24, 08, 13:08  #695

Bratwurst Boy wrote:
Bratwurst Boy


Believe what you want, this is not my mission to educate you about Germany's economy :) You are typical CDU voter IMO.

Bratwurst Boy wrote:
I don't think Germany needs nuclear weapons....


I agree :) The US should give some to Poland while Russia to Serbia and Central Europe would became peaceful region forever. Wont happen of course...


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Bratwurst Boy
  Mar 24, 08, 14:16  #696

lesser wrote:

Believe what you want, this is not my mission to educate you about Germany's economy :) You are typical CDU voter IMO.


He...you better try to educate NOBODY about Germany's economy! You don't do it very well! :)


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 27, 08, 18:41  #697

Czech Rep. divided over Kosovo independence

27 March 2008 | 09:33 | Source: Tanjug
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=27 &nav_id=48839

BELGRADE -- Czech Deputy PM Alexandr Vondra says his country is divided on the issue of recognizing Kosovo independence.

Speaking in Belgrade yesterday, Vondra said that the Czech government was divided on the issue of recognizing Kosovo’s unilateral independence declaration, and that this would be a difficult decision that must be considered carefully.


Prague puts Kosovo recognition off agenda

http://www.kosovocompromise.com/cms/item/topic/en.html?view=story&id=7 38&sectionId=1

The Czech government has decided to put off the agenda a decision to recognize Kosovo’s secession – originally planned for April 2 – as it realized that only five out of 18 members of cabinet were favoring such decision.p/quote]

(KosovoCompromise Staff) Wednesday, March 26, 2008

[quote]If we were voting on Kosovo today, it would not be recognized", Czech Prime Minister Miroslav Topolanek said.

I am against. I believe it is a great mistake of the international community and the EU", Labour minister Petr Necas said.


Thanks Czechs


Official Czeska (sama as Slovakia) stays with Serbia no matter Polish Tusk blow in united Slavic position in case with Kosovo issue. Tusk realy damaged Polish reputation. Poles should put him down.

Slavija Majka! Slavija Besmrtna!


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 05:18  #698



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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Mar 29, 08, 06:12  #699

matthias wrote:
good article on Serbia.....

thanks for article

tragedy of my people...

“the Bosnian tragedy was eminently avoidable, and was nearly dodged on several occasions. It was the irresponsible actions of politicians in 1991 and 1992, and none more than Alija Izetbegovic, that brought on a catastrophe”

Most disturbing, however, is the author’s allegations against the party, and specifically Alija Izetbegovic, in the Srebrenica Massacre of July 1995. Coolly ignoring the usual hysteria that plagues most treatments of this event, Schindler actually finds that:

“…any detailed examination of Srebrenica rapidly uncovers facts that are incompatible with the standard version of events, resulting in a portrayal that is disturbing and deeply critical of all parties involved… the real story of Srebrenica is a tale of cynicism astonishing even by Bosnian standards” (p. 227).


But all that what happened i see and feel even deeper. Deeper then you can imagine. For me, as a Serb, tragedy and losses (in conflict of former Yugoslavia in general) are enormous considering that almost all individuals involved in conflict share Serbian origin. Some still Serbs, some declared as Muslims or Croats.

Only strangers in this great tragedy were present NATO soldiers and Arabic/Afgan mujaheedines. Only strangers profited on Serbian disaster


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 16:28  #700

Crow wrote:
thanks for article


not a problem, Serbia still has my support and always will......


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matthias
  Apr 1, 08, 15:19  #701

Crow:
Wahabbis remanded in custody


what's the whole story behind this........ The article doesn't provide that much information....


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lesser
  Apr 1, 08, 15:33  #702

Crow:

Czech President Vaclav Klaus went further, and stopped short of comparing Kosovo's independence to the 1938 Munich treaty in which the leaders of the great western countries agreed Czechoslovakia would cede its western border areas to Nazi Germany.


Vaclav Klaus, he should be president of Poland. One of the few politicians I really respect.


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ShaneConrad
  Apr 1, 08, 17:47  #703

lesser:
Vaclav Klaus, he should be president of Poland.

I did not know Vaclav Klaus was Polish. If that is not required, perhaps Putin should be the president of Poland? C'mon now there is plenty of people in Poland to become an effective President. Poles just need to be smart in voting for one... I have to admit they (we... I am one of them although not living in Poland) are getting better.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Apr 2, 08, 11:08  #704

There is no thing endowed with life - from man, who is enslaving the elements, to the nimblest creature - in all this world that does not sway in its turn. Whenever action is born from force, though it be infinitesimal, the cosmic balance is upset and the universal motion results. Following this ultimate principle, Slavs would respond on slavery imposed on them and they would unite.


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Apr 6, 08, 08:11  #705

Situation in case with Polish recognition of Kosovo separation escalates and becoming realy ugly, endangering Polish-Serbian relations. With every new day, official Poland is more and more involved in creation of Greater Albania, ethnicaly cleansed from Christian Orthodox Serbs. Nobody in Serbia can`t understand whats going on and how is possible that ruling establishment in Poland doing all this to Serbs, opposing even to Polish Public.

Having in mind development on terain, I asking you, how is possible that so called Polish friends (England and France) always managed to manipulate with Poles and regularely use them as cannon fodders, while they escape from unpleasent situation? What`s wrong, could somebody tell me?


Serbian daily: Polish sniper shot at protestors in Kosovo (translation)

03/19/2008
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1988016/posts

Serbian daily "Kurir" claims that Polish NATO soldier fiered upon un-armed protestors from a than-occupied buildin of a courthouse in Northern Mitrovica.

"By direct order of KFOR hedaquorters in Pristina, Polish soldiers opened sniper fire on un-armed Serb demonstrations. This was done while French soldiers used rubber-bullets and tear-gas to disperse demonstrations, Polish troops recieved orders to fire upon Serbs."

original article (Serbian newspaper Kurir)

POLJAK PUCAO!

sreda 19. mart 2008
http://www.kurir-info.co.yu/clanak/kurir-19-03-2008/poljak-pucao

Snajperista Kfora s drugog sprata zauzete zgrade suda pucao na masu demonstranata, Francuzi ubrzo pobegli

Press: Tension in Kosovo...

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=03&dd=20& nav_id=48642
20 March 2008 | 17:45 | Source: B92, Beta

"Manic Polish sniper arrested", the daily claims that the UNMIK policeman who allegedly shot at the crowd of demonstrators from a sniper has been detained, and that he acted as if he were "on drugs or beside himself" when he did the shooting Monday.


Polish interior minister Grzegorz Schetyna (R) talks on the phone as he visits injured Polish UN police officers in Mitrovica, Kosovo, 18 March 2008. More than 150 people were wounded Monday in the ethnically divided town of Mitrovica during violent clashes between UN police, NATO peacekeepers and Serbs opposed to Kosovo's declaration of independence from Serbia.

With whom you talk Mr. Schetyna? Who are your masters and where they are? People of Poland? I think not.

epilogue...


Kosovo Serbs, who were injured during clashes with KFOR soldiers on 17 March 2008, are seen at hospital in the town of Kosovska Mitrovica, Kosovo, Serbia, 18 March 2008.


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cucko
  Apr 6, 08, 12:12  #706

KOSOVO IS SERBIA
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
KOSOVO IS SERBIA

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Crow
  Apr 7, 08, 11:48  #707

cucko:
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
KOSOVO IS SERBIA

TRUTH
TRUTH
TRUTH
TRUTH



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cucko
  Apr 8, 08, 06:28  #708

This albanian slaughterer now free ?

Albanian slaughterer Haradinaj

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WayOutWest
  Apr 9, 08, 16:39  #709

Im ashamed in my imbecile government that admitted to Kosovo, if that's what you're trying to hear...


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Lukasz
  Apr 11, 08, 04:32  #710

British press:

Serb prisoners 'were stripped of their organs in Kosovo war'
By Harry de Quetteville in Berlin and Malcolm Moore in Rome



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/11/wserb1 11.xml

Serb prisoners had their internal organs removed and sold by ethnic Albanians during the Kosovo war, according to allegations in a new book by the world's best known war crimes prosecutor.



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Bratwurst Boy
  Apr 11, 08, 04:59  #711

Yuck!


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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Apr 11, 08, 06:10  #712

Lukasz:
Serb prisoners 'were stripped of their organs in Kosovo war'

that happens to you if oppose to NATO and to so called west.

I hope, Russians and other Slavic brothers (including Poles!) would arrive just in time so that we can retaliate. People speak that Czechs already preparing volunteers.


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Apr 11, 08, 09:01  #713

I think it is part of US startegy towards Russia, Russians support Iran, Syria, Wenezuela ... so all hostile countries towards US.

You are Russian ally ...


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Crow
  Apr 11, 08, 09:44  #714

Lukasz:
You are Russian ally ...

no. We are just Slavs and we don`t sell our kin nations

but, those who attacking us need to justify their conquest in front of world public and they insist that we are Russian ally (people of so called west is absolutely indoctrinate with hate on Russia because of enormous resources and hunt on Russians and Russian friends is allowed and even desired). In reality, considering situation, we started to coordinate with Russia. So, that way- yes, after all, both- Russians and we- Serbs are forced to establish ally relationship.

when the moment come and masks of so called west fall down, when your Churches start to be replaced with mosques, Poles would know that we are their ally, too- as always. And then, Racowie would be needed once more.

Slavija above everything!


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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Apr 11, 08, 12:13  #715

I am currious about opinion of people who compared Serbs on this forum to animals ...

I will post this article once again :

Serb prisoners 'were stripped of their organs in Kosovo war'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/11/wserb1 11.xml

Maybe Istahor ,Tornado, Bratwurs or Klinkie will tell us something about bad Serbs and innocent Albanians...


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ShaneConrad
  Apr 11, 08, 12:51  #716

Lukasz:
Maybe Istahor ,Tornado, Bratwurs or Klinkie will tell us something about bad Serbs and innocent Albanians...

I am new to this thread; it is quite extensive so I can't read it all. However I have some thoughts on this controversial subject and Lukasz's comment gave opportunity to share them. First let me say that I don't believe if we consider entire nationalities one can’t say these people are bad (animals someone said) and the others are innocent. It is often the case that various groups of people (the division lines don't have to be national) have differing interests. The question arises if they can resolve their differences in civil ways. Apparently Serbs and Albanians couldn’t; in fact the amount of blood spilled and lives lost is staggering. It is a pity that Kosovo has separated. It is a backward step in this day and age. At this same time can someone tell me how else the situation could be resolved? Please don’t tell me that it would be by kicking Albanians out of Kosovo because this would be 10 steps backwards. I believe our task these days is to work together regardless if we are separated by borders or not. I think it would be an awesome move if Serbia would show that they are the “bigger man” and extended helping hand to Kosovo not because of admission of guilt, but through a recognition that both sides f%^&ed up and they are weaker by not working together. I believe that through such actions reverse events are possible and future reunion desired by both parties could happen. May I remind my fellow Poles how Ukraine separated from us and then Lithuania after hundreds of years of functioning as one organism. This was pity, too, especially Lithuania where even Mickiewicz wrote “Lithuania my fatherland” in Polish without even thinking that we could be separate. It took us decades to start working together again after we took Vilnius thinking it was “our”. Well, the good thing is we started doing it and this is where the future lies.

My heart goes to all people that suffered and still suffer in this horrible mess.


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Kilkline
  Apr 11, 08, 13:55  #717

Lukasz:
I am currious about opinion of people who compared Serbs on this forum to animals ...

I will post this article once again :

Serb prisoners 'were stripped of their organs in Kosovo war'

telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/11/wserb111.xml

Maybe Istahor ,Tornado, Bratwurs or Klinkie will tell us something about bad Serbs and innocent Albanians...


You get the enemies you deserve.


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F15guy
  Apr 11, 08, 14:32  #718

ShaneConrad: May I remind my fellow Poles how Ukraine separated from us and then Lithuania after hundreds of years of functioning as one organism.


The problem that lead to the separation of Lithuania and Ukraine from Poland centuries ago was due the fact the entities of the organism were not treated equally. At that time, the Poles who were on top treated Lithuania and Ukraine badly. The same situation occured with the Austro-Hungarian Empire. If you were Austrian or a Hungarian, life was great. Everyone else was cannon fodder.

The Serbs were trying to do the exact thing against the Croats, Bosnians and Albanians in their federation. Thus, no more federation.

Why has Switzerland, a nation of three languages, multiple religions and three ethnic backgrounds managed to stay together all of these years? Fair and equal treatment to all citizens, respect for one's language and religious preferences.


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ShaneConrad
  Apr 11, 08, 14:56  #719

F15guy:
The problem that lead to the separation of Lithuania and Ukraine from Poland centuries ago was due the fact the entities of the organism were not treated equally. At that time, the Poles who were on top treated Lithuania and Ukraine badly. The same situation occured with the Austro-Hungarian Empire. If you were Austrian or a Hungarian, life was great. Everyone else was cannon fodder.

The Serbs were trying to do the exact thing against the Croats, Bosnians and Albanians in their federation. Thus, no more federation.


I agree with you to a degree. All those separations happened because the nations did not play well enough in one sandbox. I believe Poles and Lithuanians did a decent job for a long time until we (Poles) after WWI considered some of Lithuanians grounds ours. Now, playing nicely together is a two way street. Sure one side may be the first to make the false step, but in a long relationship it is inevitable so pointing them as a guilty party is inappropriate. You can't say that Serbs did this or Albanians did that. Either party didn't do enough to work well together.


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isthatu2
  Apr 11, 08, 14:58  #720

F15guy:
Why has Switzerland, a nation of three languages, multiple religions and three ethnic backgrounds managed to stay together all of these years? Fair and equal treatment to all citizens, respect for one's language and religious preferences.

Easy now,your introducing logic and humanity to this thread.....may go over the heads of some like an incoming Tomahawk.


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