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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Sep 22, 08, 16:44  #841

GORAN BREGOVIĆ, musician from Belgrade, Serbia - very popular in Poland




Bregovic Back in Town

THE WARSAW VOICE, By P.M. 12 March 2008
http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/17407

Adored by Polish audiences, Balkan musician and multi-instrumentalist Goran Bregovic will play a concert at Warsaw's Kongresowa Hall April 2. This will be his first Polish concert in a long while.

Bregovic's discography is full of Polish flavors. In the '90s, he recorded albums with Polish singers Kayah and Krzysztof Krawczyk. Songs from these albums remain Polish radio staples.

Goran Bregovic - Mesecina


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRCo3347fw

Eurovision 2008 Goran Bregovic Weddings and Funerals Gas gas (Polish TV Comment)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzSafavBJWM&feature=related

WELCOME TO BREGOVIC OFFICIAL WEB SITE
http://www.goranbregovic.co.yu/home.htm

 
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McCoy
  Sep 22, 08, 16:52  #842

this is a beautiful balkan song from very good movie 'saviour':



 
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Crow
  Sep 23, 08, 14:06  #843

Kosovo Albanians beat Slovak girl forced into prostitution

Men 'forced girl into world of prostitution'

Published Date:
23 September 2008

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/Men-39forced-girl-into-world.4 517679.jp

Passed from one gang of people smugglers to another, the Slovakian was repeatedly raped, beaten and forced to take drugs at knifepoint, Southwark Crown Court heard.

Slovakian Edward Facuna (54), of St Mary's Court, Peterborough, and Roman Pacan, (39) of Parliament Street, Peterborough, and originally from the Czech Republic, deny trafficking a person into the UK for purposes of sexual exploitation.

They were accused with Turks Ali Arslan (43) and his brother-in-law Mesut Arslan (26), Kosovan Martin Doci (29) and Albanian Valmir Gjetja (29).

Albos turned Kosovo into land of sins. Racowie would judge to them, sooner or later! Holly land shell be free!

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  Sep 23, 08, 14:09  #844

Crow:

Holly land shell be free!


What are you going to do with the millions of "Albos" then?

 
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Crow
  Sep 23, 08, 14:28  #845

Bratwurst Boy:

What are you going to do with the millions of "Albos" then?

less then 1 million of Albanians who were Serbian citizens lived on Kosovo-Metohija before NATO arrived. They can stay, others can go togather with NATO. NATO even can help them to return to Albania and Macedonia, from where they come to live in houses of previously ethnicaly cleansed Serbians

NATO was crucial factor which destroyed ethnic balance on Kosovo-Metohija, on holly land of Racowie

Order must be restored. Slavija shell repulse the invasion!

 
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Bratwurst Boy
  Sep 23, 08, 14:37  #846

Hmmm.....so....once the "Albos" are ethnically cleansed from Kosovo who then will take over and live there?

The Serbs surely not, they rather wandered away during the last centuries...leaving their holy land to others...correct me if I'm wrong!

 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Sep 23, 08, 14:50  #847

Bratwurst Boy:

Hmmm.....so....once the "Albos" are ethnically cleansed from Kosovo who then will take over and live there?

The Serbs surely not, they rather wandered away during the last centuries...leaving their holy land to others...correct me if I'm wrong!

you like jokes?

biggest joke is German `nation` ahaha hahah hahah muahah mauha muahah mauhaha mauhha mauhha muhaha muahah mauahmauahmauah ahaha hahah haahahah ahaha hahah ahah

 
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Bratwurst Boy
Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Sep 23, 08, 14:55  #848

Crow:

biggest joke is German `nation`


Yup!
That's why you are talking in every second sentence about the evil west, evil Germany enslaving the Slavs, this world wide conspiracy against the Slavs led of course by the so called Germans/so called false West, right?

It's a joke, alright! We are all having fun! :)

PS: Did I hit a nerve with my question???

 
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rock
  Sep 23, 08, 15:35  #849

It is proved that Muslims can't live with Serbs. Because for them ''best Muslim is dead Muslim''. Long live Kosovo. I wish Sancak region in Serbia and Bosniaks in Bosna Hercegovina will announce their freedom and states as well.

Crow says Albanians turned Kosovo into land of sins and give one example for it. Serbs raped 20.000 Bosniak woman during the war. All the world knows this. Serbs are disgusting.

Serbs pray for Bulgaria. If Turkey had a border with Serbia you would see what's real punishment. I believe Turks behaved Serbs better than they deserve during 415 years of Ottoman rule.

 
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Szymon
Edited by: Szymon  Sep 23, 08, 16:03  #850

Serbs are Russian ally and they stick with Russians.

 
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southern
Edited by: southern  Sep 23, 08, 16:58  #851

rock:

I believe Turks behaved Serbs better than they deserve during 415 years of Ottoman rule.


You mean this?

Skull tower


URL

 
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lesser
Edited by: lesser  Sep 23, 08, 17:01  #852

Bratwurst Boy:

, evil Germany enslaving the Slavs,


Please remind me how many times the Germans invaded Serbia in the 20th century? This must be noted in Guinness Records book. :))

rock:

Serbs pray for Bulgaria.


Do you have any plans? :)

 
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rock
  Sep 23, 08, 17:26  #853

southern:

You mean this?


Serbs lived in peace in Ottoman rule. No force to change religion, language, race ( Crow proves it ). If wanted assimilation can be realized in 415 years easily. I am proud of my ancestors.

Look at Indians. How England effected them. Algerians are half French, African nations etc.

lesser:

Do you have any plans? :)


World watched genocit in Srebrenice. We need plans for the future. If it happens again Serbs will see the hell. My thought is not about attacking, it is about defensing and protecting. No similarity between Turks and Arab mujaas.

 
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southern
  Sep 23, 08, 18:07  #854

rock:

Serbs lived in peace in Ottoman rule


Are you kidding?Have you counted how many revolutions by Serbs were suppressed violently by Ottomans?

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Sep 23, 08, 18:52  #855

I will cut this stories about Slavic aliances.
Serbs durring cold war were something between west and east they were gaining form this possition. When cold war was over their whole economy has falen on knees ... and Yugolsavia was resolved in brutal way.

Serbs durring cold war were very disrespectful (because of their economic statsus) when it came Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians and other nations who actualy couldn't be something between east and west. I am not surprised that Crow dreams about new cold war and Serbia balancing between two powers. In this possition Serbs would regain their status.

 
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Sasha
  Sep 24, 08, 00:23  #856

rock:

Serbs lived in peace in Ottoman rule. No force to change religion, language, race ( Crow proves it ). If wanted assimilation can be realized in 415 years easily. I am proud of my ancestors.


You can be proud of your ancestors as many times as you want, but I think you're not entitled to call Serbs disgusting and blatantly lie about that they lived in peace under your yoke. Have you heard of the right of the "first night"? Why do you think some Croats are muslims? Thanks to you guys... thanks to you...
Your will to further blame Serbs sounds opportunistic.

 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Sep 24, 08, 09:22  #857

Bratwurst Boy:

PS: Did I hit a nerve with my question???

yes, nerve of my p*n*s

[i apologize to all ladies who might read this]

 
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Patrycja19
  Sep 24, 08, 09:33  #858

Crow:

yes, nerve of my p*n*s

[i apologize to all ladies who might read this]


Crow, ya cant fool us.. lol we saw what ya wrote.. those little asterik doo-hickeys dont hide it lol..

 
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rock
  Sep 24, 08, 11:34  #859

I really believe that all the Balkan countries were living in peace in Ottoman rule. Of course nobody wants to live under the rule of other country. But after 400 years, how do you think they manage to protect their identity. Even in Bosnia or Albania none of the muslims can speak Turkish. Does it happen like this in the colonies of England, Spain, Portugal, France etc.

I don't want to call all the Serbs disgusting of course. But, they killed 200.000 muslim villagers ( not soldiers ) and raped 20.000 woman. Fanatism about religion is more than any other country. The Serbs took part in these events and the Serbs still hiding Mladic and the Serbs if have chance would do the same things are disgusting. I think, they are not minority in Serbian community.

Meanwhile Croats are not muslim of course. They are catholic.

 
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Crow
Edited by: Crow  Sep 24, 08, 12:05  #860

Patrycja19:

Crow, ya cant fool us.. lol we saw what ya wrote.. those little asterik doo-hickeys dont hide it lol..

ha, its not a such a big deal that you sow my penis

you know how people say- i`ll show you mine, you show me your

rock:

I really believe that all the Balkan countries were living in peace in Ottoman rule. Of course nobody wants to live under the rule of other country. But after 400 years, how do you think they manage to protect their identity. Even in Bosnia or Albania none of the muslims can speak Turkish. Does it happen like this in the colonies of England, Spain, Portugal, France etc.

I don't want to call all the Serbs disgusting of course. But, they killed 200.000 muslim villagers ( not soldiers ) and raped 20.000 woman. Fanatism about religion is more than any other country. The Serbs took part in these events and the Serbs still hiding Mladic and the Serbs if have chance would do the same things are disgusting. I think, they are not minority in Serbian community.

Meanwhile Croats are not muslim of course. They are catholic.

please come later

you see that i talk to that girl,... situation is promising. Leave me alone, moronu. Go found some of your ugly mujaheedine friends for entertainment

Bože, Bože kakva budala [God, God, what a fool]

 
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Sasha
  Sep 24, 08, 12:38  #861

rock:

I really believe that all the Balkan countries were living in peace in Ottoman rule


No wonder that you believe so. The average Rus stongly believes his land is saint and they didn't rape or kill civilians while were in Germany, they didn't pillaged there, they've always treated Poles well etc. So do you.

rock:

But, they killed 200.000 muslim villagers ( not soldiers ) and raped 20.000 woman.


Wow... what a precise figures. Too bad they're grossly exaggerated. The info you're trying to feed me is a typical west rubbish which I've heard for 1000s times.

rock:

Fanatism about religion is more than any other country


That's not true. The Orthodox religion itself is incomparable in terms of worshipping with the Islam and you should agree here they're far from being Shahid-kamikaze to blow up themselves somewhere in Hague.
At that point it's good to mention that the number of Serbs killed, raped or expelled from their own land is far more.

rock:

The Serbs took part in these events and the Serbs still hiding Mladic and the Serbs if have chance would do the same things are disgusting


Bla-bla-bla... I bet if I asked you why Mladic should be punished, you wouldn't be able to come up with anything intelligible. :) You've still got a chance.

rock:

Meanwhile Croats are not muslim of course. They are catholic.


Right but I didn't mean croats themselves. I meant Bosniaks who are essentially Slavs (Croats and Serbs) forcibly converted to the Islam.

rock:

Even in Bosnia or Albania none of the muslims can speak Turkish


The point they don't speak Turkish means nothing. They don't have to. Many gipsies who live in Russia don't speak Romanian or any language but Russian.

 
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rock
  Sep 24, 08, 13:42  #862

Sasha:

Right but I didn't mean croats themselves. I meant Bosniaks who are essentially Slavs (Croats and Serbs) forcibly converted to the Islam.


Funny claim. So, why Serbs are still orthodox, croats are catholic ? Belgrad was one of the most important cities of Turks in the Balkans like Budapest. If Ottomans force, all Belgrad citizens have to be muslims.

Bosniaks are happy with their religion. They don't think they are relatives of Croats and Serbs and they were not christain before choosing islam. They hate Serbs and don't like Croats. In Mostar, Bosniaks and Croats fight even after Turkish football team beat Croatia in European football championship.

Sasha:

I bet if I asked you why Mladic should be punished, you wouldn't be able to come up with anything intelligible. :) You've still got a chance.


Do you mean Srebrenica is not enough for punishment ?

 
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Sasha
  Sep 24, 08, 14:18  #863

rock:

Funny claim. So, why Serbs are still orthodox, croats are catholic ? Belgrad was one of the most important cities of Turks in the Balkans like Budapest. If Ottomans force, all Belgrad citizens have to be muslims.


Don't pretend you don't understand. Do you know who were the most bigoted terrorist who didn't stop killing children in Chechnia? Russians and Ukranians converted to the Islam. Ex-slavs...
Bosniaks used to be the one whole with Serbs and Croats. What do you think happened to those of Serbs who were converted or raped? They either went on suicide or were exiled by their fellow-citizens. They were not happy, now they are... since human is a very adaptable system. But the bygone crime is still a crime.
Do you know that they even have a name for converted Serbs... "poturcenec"... and the fact they don't like each other is a Turkish guilt.

rock:

They hate Serbs and don't like Croats.


I know it's very convenient for Turks. But that's a consequence of your yoke.

rock:


Do you mean Srebrenica is not enough for punishment ?


Firstly, Mladic himself is a military man, he took down the orders. Secondly, he fought for his own People and the land... Srebrenica is a mixed stuff. It's at least silly to blame Srbs in everything that happened there therefore thirdly others should be punished for that as well. You don't have the full notion.

 
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rock
  Sep 24, 08, 15:13  #864

Sasha:

Bosniaks used to be the one whole with Serbs and Croats.


No, they were not.

Don't you know anything about Bogomils or pretend you don't know.

Bosniaks were bogomils. They were against church. They were not christains before Ottoman rule. During Ottoman rule they choose islam and voluntarily become muslim.

quote=Sasha]
I know it's very convenient for Turks. But that's a consequence of your yoke.[/quote]

No, Turks prefer muslim and christain live together with peace. Turks like Tito because he managed this at least for some time.

 
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southern
Edited by: southern  Sep 24, 08, 17:57  #865

rock:

Bosniaks were bogomils. They were against church. They were not christains


Bogomils were christians.What are you talking about?They believed in Jesus,not in Mohameth.They were a deviation in orthodoxy like the Aryanists,the Nestorians,the one-nature of God supporters etc.There were such deviations in catholic church too.

rock:

During Ottoman rule they choose islam and voluntarily become muslim.


Yes,in order not to pay taxes.Muslims did not pay taxes,Christians did.Why do you not tell the whole truth?

rock:

Belgrad was one of the most important cities of Turks in the Balkans like Budapest.


Budapest is not in Balkans.

rock:

If Ottomans force, all Belgrad citizens have to be muslims.


They did not have to become muslims because the city was surrendered to Ottomans.If they had resisted,the Turks would have the right(by muslim law) to sell them as slaves or expell them and destroy the city.The other option would be that they would become muslims.You don't tell the whole story.The same happened with Constantinopol.It probably surrendered to Ottomans(secretly),that is why Ottomans did not expell the christian population or force to islamization.

rock:

I really believe that all the Balkan countries were living in peace in Ottoman rule


I really don't believe Balkan countries were living in peace in Ottoman rule.In Greece for example there took place over 100 revolutions during the 400 years of turkish occupation and all were suppressed with extreme violence and brutal methods.

rock:

Even in Bosnia or Albania none of the muslims can speak Turkish. Does it happen like this in the colonies of England, Spain, Portugal, France etc.


They don't speak turkish because they don't need it.They spoke turkish when they needed it.The colonies of England,Spain,France speak foreign languages because they need them.

rock:

But, they killed 200.000 muslim villagers ( not soldiers ) and raped 20.000 woman


Ridiculous.Which religion openly supports killing of civilians?Christianism or Islam?What does the Quran say about Jihad?
As for rapes,this is laugh stuff.I refer you to the relevant comments by Crow.

 
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Sasha
  Sep 24, 08, 20:47  #866

Well said.

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Sep 24, 08, 21:02  #867

Story how Serbs have been fooled by Russians:

Russians bought for small per cent of its value energetic sector in Serbia and promised support for Serbs (Energetic Sector for Kosovo). After acquisition Russians have forgoten about Serbs what is more they happily use situation Serbia as an excuse (Georgia).

Folowing this logic Russians knew that Serbs are going to be sacraficed but used Serbs hopes for support and bought energetic sector for peanuts.

Russians acting like "rooten" west ?
International bankers look on Russia with respect. lol

 
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Sasha
  Sep 24, 08, 23:15  #868

Lukasz:

Russians bought for small per cent of its value energetic sector in Serbia and promised support for Serbs (Energetic Sector for Kosovo). After acquisition Russians have forgoten about Serbs what is more they happily use situation Serbia as an excuse (Georgia).


I didn't understand that. Where did they [Russians] promised to support Serbs? Have they forgotten?

 
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Lukasz
Edited by: Lukasz  Sep 24, 08, 23:56  #869

Sasha:

I didn't understand that. Where did they [Russians] promised to support Serbs? Have they forgotten?



Sashka my post was full of sarcasm.
I have seen comments in Russian press. Just after the deal Russian press anounced "Energetic sector for Kosovo".
You used Serbs situation to make great deal after it you left Serbs.
I am pointing out some facts.

Now Serbs are trying to change the deal but it is not so easy.



By the way Rock has made some vaild points as well. Tito was positive character in Balkans history. Especialy when we look on what have happened after his death.

 
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Sasha
  Sep 25, 08, 01:35  #870

Lukasz:

Just after the deal Russian press anounced "Energetic sector for Kosovo".
You used Serbs situation to make great deal after it you left Serbs


Lukasz, I don't exclude the deal were made with some implication of Kosovo, but I don't think we left them with that. We've done our best, however it wasn't enough. In its turn current Serbian government is trying to "kill two hares with the one shot": join EU keeping good relationship with the RF.

Lukasz:

Tito was positive character in Balkans history


Tito was a mixed-blessing person. If one want to judge on how positive he was, that would strongly depend on who you ask. If you ask Serbs eight out of ten will say he was a bastard who simply supressed Serbian self-identification and albanized their native lands. At the times of his governing the nationality "jugoslavian" appeared. On the other hand he managed to make absolutely different cultures live together. Anyway what happened to Kosovo is to the large extent consequence of Tito's policy.

 
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