What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

Tito gave for Yugoslavia prosperity. From the one hand he didn't let your soldiers to enter their country, they had many contacts with west. They traded a lot and were relatively rich "socialistic" country, many Polish traveled to Yugoslavia to buy goods and bring it to Poland it was result of Tito's policy of being more opened on west and mentioned by me balancing. From the other hand many Polish "tourists" who traded in Yugoslavia reported that there is threat of ethnic cleanising in the future.



You gave hope for Serbs and when you made this deal you were concious that you are not able or rather willing to provide promised help. In the same moment you exploatated Serbs strong believe in Russia and made great bussiness deal.

Serbs choices:
Serbs surrounded by EU, isolated and waiting for glory Russia. Very good proposal. After the deal with energetic sector I'd say - next "honest" proposal.

I am pointing out Russian hypocrisy.

So did Russians and at that point I agree. But it's still one side of the same coin, the other side is that the only defeated party in the game were Serbs.



What do you mean? There was nothing special promised. Russia didn't withdraw her veto right and stood by her tacit promise. I'm convinced Serbs didn't cherished vain hopes expecting wonder to happen. Afterall Russia helped them with humanitarian supplies. So... I have no clue on what "help" you meant. We're not the US to dictate our will on the Humankind and to pay out missile shiled wherever, which is good.

UPD:



In general it can be said that politics=hypocrisy, cause everybody studies his own interests. It's important not to be too hypocritic. Russia was not. Was it?

Serbs commited war crimes, so did others in this war. All war criminals should be sentenced. Serbs are the defeated party in this game not because of Tito policy but because of Serbs anti-nazi resistance durring WWII. Unfortunately I am sure that it was main reason why some sides in this conflict got support and some were guilty at the begining of the conflict.

It wasn't Tito.



Unfortunately your best friend in europe was very active in this region. If you honestly wanted to help Serbs you could knock German doors and everybody know that you are able to influence this country. I am sure you would be much more successful. Again, Serbs are not so important for Russia ...

If we are machiavelists ... we can agree that politics=hypocrisy. I consider Russian behaviour as very hypocritic. Not only in Serbia. You know we were members of eastern block and we watched with confusion Soviet 5th column in west ... you know people talking about good Russia and bad USA. In case of Serbs there was hypocricy on Russian side.

Umm....are you doing a "Crow" on us now???

Be quiet you anti-slavic german conspirator, i bet you're reporting back to your SS headquarters after each post !

When i realised Crow is completely serious he became my idol.
Sire please enlighten me where in the frackin hell is the logic behind your statement ?

Serbs lost Kosovo because they were the main and most active side in the merry genocide heaven that the Yugoslavia became and as such gave a moral mandate to **** on them.

IF Serbs did not murder left right and center than NATO would never go beyond mediation as it is NATO pointed at mass graves and went "STFU and do what we say or we bomb you even more".

It seems that not only Serbs commited genocides in Yugoslavia what is more in result of this wars Serbs lost some lands with pure Serbian majority. First thing what Germans did was support for their old allies form WWII. It is fact. I am not defending Serbs. They commited crimes like all other sides of this conflict.

BTW don't you find it interesting that in this year during peace mission in Kosovo. European forces under German command were sending French, Ukrainians and Poles in first line to pacify demonstrating Serbs. I when we look on fact that in different chapters in history this countries supported Serbs. I'd say Germans are having fun ! Ok they are tesing loyality. Why they secure their old friendships with Albanians and Croats they will never send soldiers to pacyfy their friends form WWII.

Yes we need to break relationship with countries with little symphaty towards us because it is German decision. The same as French or Ukrainians. It is psychological test !! Germans secure their old friends:



I know that in Polands situation it would be hard to play with Russians, Poland never was in easy situation ...

BUT WE SHOULD BE AWARED !!!

Jesus Christ, come on man, the point is there is no logical link between World War 2 and current serbian situation and yes everyone commited atrociities but the point is Serbs did MUCH more than anyone else, they were the only side to organize and undertake a mass goverment approved ethnic cleansing.
Oh please dont start that bullcrap ...

What the hell ? Do you honestly believe that internation relations are governed by sentiments like "having fun" ?

Whatever Crow carries is apparently contagious.

Let's see how Bosniaks were together with Serbs and Croats before Turks ;

The Bogomils spread westwards and settled first in Serbia; but at the end of the 12th century Stefan Nemanja, king of Serbia, burned them, persecuted them and expelled them from the country. Large numbers took refuge in Bosnia, where they were known under the name of Patarenes or Patareni. There, they were also brought into connection with the indigenous Bosnian Church, which was also considered heretical by the Pope and Byzantines, but was not actually Bogomil in nature. From Bosnia, their influence extended into Italy (Piedmont). The Hungarians undertook many crusades against the heretics in Bosnia, but towards the close of the 15th century, the conquest of that country by the Turks put an end to their persecution. It is alleged that a large number of the Bosnian Paterenes, and especially the nobles, embraced Islam.

The fact is that it was German order and Frech Polish and Ukrainian troops were send together on first line. It is not coincidence. It is normal loyality test. The problem is that I am not so sure if Germans are ready for such tests ... What kind of loyality is that ? To Germans ? to EU ? or what?



as I've said. Germans secure their old ties. If you don't see it ... I don't know what to say. It is hard to measure who commited more crimes. For sure some Serb leaders commited war crimes the same as Croatians and Albanians. In Kosovo ethnic cleanising has been started by Albanians... It is historical fact. ... anny way ... Serbs have choosen Russians ...and it wasn't good choice. We should be awared that somebody is testing our loyality and in the same moment is not going to be tested by any other members.

When Poland doesn't agree on Nord Stream ... Germans tell that we are not european.

If you ciriticize my English it is ok. But if you really think I don't know where is Budapest it is more than funny.

Meanwhile, I could not answer your mail because it is full of contradiction.

No **** ? What are we then, asian ? Seriously the level of ridiculousness just keeps rising.

What loyalty test ??? French, Polish and Ukrainian troops were stationing nearby so they got sent into the area whereas german troops were further away, its normal rules of deployment and what the hell do they have with loyalty ?

Russia was archenemy of Germany during WWII...after Luki's logic we should be again....what...??? *scratches head*

Ok i will humor you, could you please specify the purpose why Germany would do so ?

World is changing German weaken their old enemies in strategic regions. In Polands business in strong Turkey who will secure Turks form ethnic cleanising in Germany, Turks are first barrer for nationalistic Germans. In Polands business in strong enought USA, in Polands business are good relations with countries like Czechs Slovaks Ukrainians Sweden, UK, France etc... and countries we have traditionaly good relations with. Germans were always false towards Polish and will always be, we saved them several times and it hasn't change anything. At the end I prefere Russians than Germans.

When we look on Nord Stream and opinion polls in Germany I am awared that there is huge change in way of thinking. This "coincidence" with soldiers just show how europe is going to look like under German rule. Germans try to spoil all good contacts of european countries. They don't spoil their.

I'm sorry but thats gibberish, i dont even mean common sense but the composition of the post makes it impossible to make out what you're saying.

I feel so mean! *slinks away into corner*

Poland won't open embassy in Priština

25 September 2008 | 11:22 | Source: Beta
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=25 &nav_id=53743


Lech Kaczynski addresses the UN GA (Beta)

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Belgrade to probe WW2 Hungarian war criminal

25 September 2008 | 17:29 | Source: Beta
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=25&n av_id=53756

What choice would be better? Btw they'd chosen us looong time before that, friend.

Given that Russia does not have allies but simply pawns it was a bad choice, Russia never EVER treated any of its contemporaries with respect to their rights and freedoms simply utilizing the allied states as means to russian goals, often bringing harm to these "allied" states.

I didn't understand... Are you planning to stay as the only bullcrap-vector on this forum?
The statement made in impolite and self-assured manner doesn't make it right.

Very well then lets take a look at russian allies, Lithuania ... ah wait Lithuania hates you, Hungary ? Ah sorry in some hungarian restaurans you will not get served if you speak in russian.

So who else was a russian ally ? Poland ? Russia is seen here as a barbaric craphole, wait maybe Ukraine ? Oh right Ukraine had an orange revolution.

So hm who else would be a russian ally ? The hard facts are that only countries who's existence depends on russians approval such as Belarus or Abkazia and Osetia ally themselves with Russia, everyone else either hates or distrust Russia because of the irresponsible and agressive politics and diplomacy it has always and still does excersize.

Also if you feel i'm impolite you're welcome to respond in kind i'm not made of paper and i have this habit of calling out things the way i see them especially if history and factual basis back me up on my views.

Firstly what do mean by "Lithuania hates us"? :) Their people hate us or their government hates us? I don't know about you but for me hatred and buzzwords in general are markers of ignorance of the particular human. Thus if you mean people I may only conclude from your words you consider them mostly ignorant, however if you mean government then I don't give a sh!t since politician are merely bunch of liers everywhere.
As for Lithuania... I'm Lithuanian descendant but proud to be Russian (nationality for me is a question of sef-identiification rather than blood) and personally know some mixed Lit-Rus people who are not a rara avis in the western Russia... they feel like at home. Russian nation is mostly friendly and tolerant. I like them and proud to be part of them.
Upd: Ukraine? 60% of Russians (here citizens) have relatives in Ukraine. Silly to think they don't like us. We're essentially the one whole. Does your left hand hate your right one?



That's their problem if so. I mind my own business and trying to do my best for people aorund regardless of their nation unless they're complete bastards. I don't think if you don't speak Russian you won't be served in any restaurants in Moscow and it's the thing to be proud of as well.



That's your personal opinion of rough and uneducated person who you in fact are. Nevertheless I don't want you to shut up your craphole (read "mouth"), because people like you are very useful for Russia, for the way we're seen in the world (including Poland).
One jewish doer was asked on how many promoters he'd needed for the propaganda of Zionism. He said "I don't need any... just give me 30-40 docked young men of aryan appearance yealling antisemitic slogans. The more stupid they [slogans] will be the better. Think it's the best advertising of our views."
So... you can carry on...

I've got one more thing which is probably good to mention at this point. I've noticed that in pol-net almost at any forum (even about flowers and gardening lol) one can easily find some gibberish about Ruses whereas in the ru-net there's significantly less number of jerks who throw mud to Poles. Strange... especially considering the fact many Poles think Russians are arrogant.
Or let's recall what was yesterday... as only insane jew-eater appeared, some accusing him in being nazi started to talk about hypothetical russkies kalmyks and spreading of venerical deceases among Russian women. Great... it was hillarious. :))

It's also funny how you have a gall to call me Polonophobe being a pure Russophobe yourself. :)) The best defence is an attack, or what?

They could talk better with Americans. Germans will always be against their old enemies and with their old friends.
. Finaly you sold them and bought their companies for peanuts.



It seems that they have changed their mind.

You must be kidding...



Oh yeah... I see your point. Ok.



Serbs haven't. From my large experience it's the only nation that with no evident reason likes Russians more than they like themselves. Some fraternal ties will always be between us. As for Tadic... he has never been pro-Russian.

Both, if you cant take a hint by the tone in their media, foreign diplomacy and internal attitude to their russian citizens then i have no questions.
Not at all, given that Russia occupied Lithuania for quite a while and we all know just how the russian occupation looks like there's reasons enough to hate.
So basically you're a russian with lithuanian roots, self explanatory, i concur that russian people are extremely friendly and well educated, Moscow metro is the only place where i've seen people read classic literature from all the cities i've been.

However russian people are not tolerant, Russia is currently the most xenophobic country in Europe not to mention that Russians follow their foreign policy without question which in my book makes them barbaric, in any civil country a former KGB agent would never become president.
Well you're the descendants of murderers you havent been on the receiving end so of course you harbour no ill feelings :)
No ? I live in Poland ? A country where your people rape stole and pillaged whenever they could ? Stories of Russians who did not know how to flush a toilet or marveled at our wrist watches back when you "liberated" us still abound, we have absolutely no reason to like Russia and plenty of reasons to dislike and distrust it.

I am not kidding. If they had spoken to Americans they would be mauch stronger after the war. Of course other states in region would have been independent but compromises wouldn't be made on their cost. Finaly German proposal won.




Yes I've met some Serbs and they some of them see in Russia what some Poles see in USA. As for Tadic we will see what he is going to achieve.

Tadic is supported by majority...

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Lithuanians have similar opinion about Poland, only because we support them they are quite nice.

Poles like Russians and don't like Russia, maybe it is strange but it is fact. Read current opinion polls.

Lithuanian dislike of Poles is completely justified given that we tried to take away one of their major cities for basically no reason, we're to Lithuania mainly invaders.

Of course concept of collective guilt is nonessential. What major city do you mean?

Yes it is but the negative sentiment is understood and i meant Wilno or Wilinus ( is that how its spelled ?)

Wilno was populated by Poles. You could also claim that Berlin is Slavic.