What are Polish-Serbian relations like?

The Croats also have much Bosnian Muslim blood on their hands, this tale is much larger than just the Serbs.

They also have much serb blood on their hands. the problem here though is crow seems to think serbia is the sole victim. Serbia was never invaded,fact.

Plenty of blame to go around in the Balkans on all sides.

Damn Turks.

I support part of what Crow writes which is true.He does not know how to express it diplomatically.

I think you support Crow because you feel your beautiful Greece can be next on list of Albanians. In part of your country they are majority.

project of Great Albania ...

Albanians have been kicked out of Greece after they cooperated with Germans in WW2.There is low probability they will gain their properties again since they have been officially characterised as war criminals.
Anyway the Serbs are traditionally friends and keep every treaty.I mean every treaty that Serbs signed(known to public or hidden) they have honored.This means that Serbs are reliable and do not sell their friends.
If you knew a bit the Balcan situation you would justify their actions more or less.

maybe Serbs are loyal for their friends but lets say Kosovo stays in Serbia, Albanians starts to fight and you know what we are going to have there.

In my opinion it will be better for everybody (for Serbs as well) to give Alabanians their country.

First you do not know how Albanians came to be majority in Kossovo while they were non-existent before the battle of Kossovo in 1387.
Second you should take into account that there are about 1.5 million muslims in Bulgaria,250 thousand muslims in north Greece and 3 million muslims in Bosnia.If they are encouraged too much they can build a muslim continuity in south Europe which can destabilize seriously all balcan states if Turkey decides to.
Furthermore Albanians are 30% of population in former Republic of Macedonia which means that an independancy of Kossovo would make them eager to gain independancy as well and build great Albania in the long term(Albania+Kossovo+part of FYROM) which will maybe lead to dissolvement of the state of former Republic of Macedonia.This means that Balcans are likely to get into chaos again if any of the sensitive balances change.

In countries you mentioned people more or less are able to live togheter maybe in FYROM (yes I know that they have stolen name of Greece province) situation isn't good but generaly people live togheter.

What do you think we should do with Kosovo albanians, Serbs will kill them. It will be the result of Albanian rebel or Serbs will simply take their historical province and "clean" it. There will be no happy end.





Serbs know how to do it and this knowledge doesn't come form books.

I think that EU and USA can tell albanians that Kosovo is all they can get and there will be no help for them in next countries but we can't leave Albanians alone with Serbs. The best solution is independent Kosovo.

Lukasz you do not see the continuity of the actions.
The muslims in Bosnia rebeled when they saw the western attitude towards Croatia and realized West would support them.
Then the Albanians in Kossovo saw how the West treated Serbs and muslims in Bosnia and decided to revolt sure that the West would support them.
If they are encouraged to build a state and amputate Serbia,FYROM Albanians are likely to revolt as well and demand an independant state that will unite with the two other albanian states as well.
Who can guarantee then the attitude of muslims in Bulgaria?Why them not revolting if Turkey wants to press for something?Now the West gives the message that it is vulnerable to muslim demands in the region and all the forces get the message.There is effort to isolate the Serbs,the only stabilising factor in the region.

Let's see the events.
1.Germany recognizes Croatia in 1991 without consulting other EU members or negotiating with Yugoslavia.
2.This leads to civil war between Croatia and Serbia
3.Croatia loses in the battlefield and wins when West intervenes in favour of Croatia
4.Bosniak muslims see croatian success and negative attitude towards Serbia and revolt.
5.Serbs living in Bosnia defeat them in military field.
6.Then the West intervenes because nobody wants the Serbs to be the winners.
7.Bosnia is made independant despite wish of serbian part to unite with Serbia
8.Albanians wait to see the result of the conflict in Bosnia and when it is obvious that the West supports the muslims,they decide to revolt.
9.Serbian troops defeat the albanian guerilla forces and then the West decides to intervene to give the victory to Albanians.
10.Serbs call Russians for help and western forces do not allow them to intervene.
11.End result of the 10 year war.Victory of Serbians in military war,defeat in diplomatic war.Serb forces are withdrawn of every region which is taken up by UN forces symbollically to give the region to muslim forces.
In the end 1 million Serbs are forced to leave Croatia,Bosnia and Kossovo because it is decided so.
There is gold in Kossovo,there are american military bases in FYROM,Bulgaria,the Serbs are the only factor that does not allow total control over the region.

woa!

What would you suggest in case of German claims on Poland and Czeska, then? Retreat?

Sooner or later, those questions would be re-opened. After all, we see that Germans push things exactly in that dirrection.

When come to that, Serbs and only Serbs (both- Northern/Lusatians and Southern) would be the ones who won`t betray Poland, no matter how that can be complicated to us.

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one very interesting article. We see that intellectual public of so called west starting seriously to re-examine approach on Serbs dictated from some powers...

It's time to end Serb-bashing

January 14, 2008 2:30 PM, by Neil Clark
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/neil_clark/2008/01/its_time_to_end _serbbashing.html

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some Germans started do do so ...



nothing new

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I have only one question

What are you going to do with Albanians ?

It is simple.If the West shows no willingness to support Albanians,they will withdraw all their claims.

if not ?

What is offical Serb and offical Albanian proposal ?

What both sides want do do with Serbs/Alabanians in Kosovo ?

There are Albanians who are Serbian citizen and there are some (more then 500.000 of them, at least) who aren`t Serbian citizens. Then, there are Albanians who are loyal citizens and there are some who aren`t loyal to the state. [BDW, those who aren`t loyal terrorizing not only Serbs on Kosovo but also Kosovo Albanians and other minorities which are loyal to Serbia]

Those who aren`t Serbian citizens should be deported back in Albania under International supervision (after all NATO helped them to populate on Kosovo-Metohija and now should help in deportation; some Albanians were populated on Kosovo-Metohija illegally during communism). Then, those who aren`t loyal to Serbia and (!) chose to use terrorist methods for their struggle, should be treated as terrorists, as anywhere in the world.

They have their country. It's called... Albania.



This is the worst solution. It will be very difficult to keep Kosovo a part of Serbia but at worst Kosovo should become a part of Albania, which is very imperfect but much closer to normality than "Kosovians". How the hell could anyone accept independence of area, where organized crime is the main branch of economy ?

that is fact.

It was WWII scenario on the scene. And (!), its not ``Croatia`` who democratically wanted separation. That is Zagreb (true ethnic Croat region) who decided for all Catholics and for Orthodox in today`s Croatia, no matter that majority of those Catholics are Catholic Serbs. Nobody didn`t ask, nor Catholic Serbs, nor Orthodox- what they want. Why was/is democracy forbidden for them?

If you ask me, injustices and violation of rights of Catholic Serbs is biggest shame of Vatican. Poland as big Catholic nation (as people talk) should say few on this. And, when some other Catholics say that Poles are great Catholic nation, i would suggest to Poles, just don`t believe in that. Why? Simply, if Poles are big, important and influential Catholic nation why then Poles can`t do anything for Catholic Serbs, for both after all- for Catholic and Orthodox Serbs from the right side of Drina river (today`s Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia).

Poles, you failed to help to Racowie, to support cohesion of our nation. What a pity, what a shame, what a historic failure of Polish intelligentsia!



thank you brate

Albanians are among the biggest pimps in Europe.Almost all drug traffic from Afghanistan-Turkey passes through Albania or Kossovo.

I will stick to independent Kosovo



You haven't learned anything

no,my friend.
as a Croat,I wish the worst for extreme Serbs.And that would be serbian kosovo with bunch of albanians,so in 50 years or less they will have more albanians in belgrade than serbs.
serbs lose either way.

You mean, you understand that Albanian separatists (KLA) are terrorists but, you think that Serbs don`t have chance because so called west support them and that we should give up.

forget about that. Serbia would win and progress


so, i see. You have come back from your teraphy. It didn`t help?

siso!

Crow as far as I understand albanian guerillas act as log as they count on western support.Is that not true?Do you think these guerillas will have the strength to fight in case westerners abandon them?

worse thing that could happen to Albanians is fact that now world powers demonstrate its power over them. USA and so called west promised them independence and Russia seams strong enough to oppose that and to force respect for international (UN) laws and legality.

Let`s just say that Russia is closer then USA and Cossacks already coming. This time Serbs won`t be alone. But, i believe that most extreme Albanians would chose war and they would lose- its obvious.

Kosovo situation is interesting from the many angles. For example, down there you have German zone of control (first German occupational zone after WWII). Then, you have Polish-Ukrainian forces UKPOLBAT and close to them Slovaks and Czechs. But, forces from Slavic countries don`t have its zones of control but are positioned in German, USA and British, Franch zones (yes, even on Kosovo we see who control things/zones and who serve as canon fodders- classical example).

Albanians don`t like KFOR forces from Slavic countries with whom they are often in conflict (in last conflict Slovak soldiers saved Serbian school children). Albanians especially like German and USA soldiers.

Upload now in that image, arriving of Serbian and Russian troops. You think NATO can face that chalange? I think not. I can bet on NATO collapse

You can imagine that Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainian, Poles fight on the behalf of Albanians, against Serbs and Russians? Absolutely nonsensical to expect that. I think public in those Slavic countries would play its role, too. Slavs aren`t that naive

So, i think NATO will retreat to avoid absolute disaster and Albanian extremists would face with truth- that Kosovo is Serbia.

nutter

Do you think forces from slavic countries were put there in order to avoid conflicts which the mere presence of german and US forces would induce to the local serbian population or do they mean an option that Kossovo will remain slavic?Can such forces be objective or help only Serbs leaving Albanians vulnerable?

you know Crow is right in some points.

Polish soldiers writes that Albanians started to kill Serbs first.

What is more extreme fractions of Albanians were killing neutral Albanians who didn't want to kill Serbs.

H. Thaci leader of Albanian rebeles was mass murder of Serbs and neutral Albanians.

What is more Alabanias were on German side in WWII, and were celebrating when Germans invaded us. Later formed SS units ...

Genraly I haven't known that Serbs were always helping Poles in XIX and XX century.

Serbs national athem had the same melody as Polish.

Germans in this region simply support their old Nazi puppets, and this is opinion of Polish soldiers.

What is important Albanians first started to kill Serb civils.

Maybe I can look like child who realized that St Claus doesnt exist, but after 1 hour of reading Polish articles I realy started to feel symphaty towards Serbs.

Hej, Sloveni!


Hej, Sloveni, jošte živi
Reč (duh) naših dedova
Dok za narod srce bije
Njihovih sinova

Živi, živi, duh slovenski
Živećeš vekovma
Zalud preti ponor pakla
Zalud vatra groma

Nek se sada i nad nama
Burom sve raznese
Stena puca, dub se lama
Zemlja nek se trese

Mi stojimo postojano
Kano klisurine
Proklet bio izdajica
Svoje domovine!


What is more, if 1 mln of 10 mln citizens of Serbia are refugies expeled form their houses in Croatia and Bosnia ... something is wrong. I think it is wrong that all compromises in this region are made on cost of Serbia.

hey,how many hundreds of thousands of croats and bosnians do you think were expelled from serb territory?
goes both ways.

I prefere opinions of Polish soldiers they go there to defend poor Albanians and come back and talk about poor Serbs ...

look,lukasz,no one is saying the albanians have been angels in kosovo,they havnt,there have been many cases of innocent serbs being murdered by them,the world knows that,what we dont need is extremists like crow muddying the waters and playing victim all the time. Only trouble is,in 1999 the serbs nationalists did start the storm by trying to force out all albanians.loyal or not from kosovo,ethnic cleansing,the reason serbia is isolated now. Can you now expect the albanians to sit back and let that happen again? or do you concede that it is maybe understandable that the albanians may lose control from time to time and fight the larger opresive serb forces ?

but Crow is in some way right, most of Albanians in Kosovo are simple illegal immigrants. A lot of them came to Serbia about 30 years ago and now they want to create their musilm country. Without Serbs. It is opinion of Polish soldiers form Kosovo.