Polish students are rising to the to the top of the class

I have decided to post something positive about Poles in UK :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article3510811.ece









I don't agree with all statemnets there ... all in all article is positive.

not sure if it can be counted as positive as it will only **** off the british more.

I feel that we have false picture of Polish emigration in UK ... and I wanted to bring something new.

I love comments of young Poles under this article :) my blood :)

It's quite interesting and congrats to their intelligence ( I really believe that they are better educated than British kids but in the ongoing education crisis in the UK that probably isn't too difficult to achieve!) but I do think it's a little unpleasant and in a way another example of perceiving Poles as a nation of people who will 'sell their own mother' to get success. Is that really to be seen as an admirable trait? I personally find comments like "for us failure is not an option, so we value discipline and hard work" somewhat arrogant rather than something to celebrate. Unless of course you adhere to the 1980's world of Gordon Gekko in 'Wall Street'.

you know on this forum we have seen so many posts about lazy Poles unable to speak english ... and I wanted to show something new here ...



it is good motivated young student who knows what he wants ... I am sure he is going achieve what he wants.
Wthout determination of Polish people we would never be free ...

The fact that somebody is hard working and disciplined doesn't mean that he would sell his family.

This is not a secret that during communist period the level of education in Polish schools was higher. All in all we are going down and soon we will reach the EU level (fact which for sure would make happy the champions of EUropeiness in this country).

Polish IQ guarantees their future high rates of admissions in top schools unless laws are made against it deliberately(hard to achive in times of EU).
The Germans were lucky that turkish immigrants had such a low IQ(90) that they have remained still largely out of higher education.Of course Germans turn a blind eye to that not considering giving extra positions in universities in minorities.
In UK the Poles do not need extra positions aimed for them.They will take the current positions because they are more competitive.And if the English will be reluctant to leave them,the usual victims will be again the Asians.

I disagree, the worst discrimination is often pushed under so called "anti-discrimination laws".

Anti-discrimination against who?Here the victims will be english students.Can you imagine a country making laws against discrimination of its own citizens?

Like blacks can have easier access to American universities, replace "blacks" with any other group, poor people, women, homosexuals, peasants, British etc.

The key word is american.In Europe there is no such affirmative policy and if sb wants to start it,it will be ridiculous to protect native inhabitants of the country against minorities because it is against the scope of affirmative policy.So they will find another name,I cannot imagine sth right now.Anyway you are lucky,they have not yet waken up.

Interesting article, though I am not sure why you are using this to justify that massive chip that you have on your shoulder, Lukasz :)

A couple of highly talented Polish pupils have been given an amazing opportunity. Good on them!!

Getting straight As in an environment like Cheltenham College is however no indication of success in real life.

honestly I don't have I just love to argue :) at least now we have freedom of speach.



I would say that it is good for UK, competition brings progress ... it is good strategy and honestly we want to copy it ;)

http://www.polishforums.com/more_more_foreign_students_poland-4_22435_ 0.html




I think that most of this so strongly motivated people will achieve what they want, we have some univ. in Poland where we create that kind of people and we see that it is very good investemnt (they are successful).

I would not be surprised at all if someday they would establish such laws. Anti-discrimination laws are on rise in Europe and this is dangerous tendency.

Interesting example of protection of "Europeans" is economic protectionism. Officially it is not against anybody but to help our own people. In this case minorities are not targeted but people in other countries obviously are. European Community use this even inside its own borders. For example Poland cannot export more milk than bureaucrats from Brussels allow, job market of many member states is still denied to Polish citizens, Polish peasants receive smaller donation than those from the west.

It is no guarantee - the Alpha females at my school (you know the type - straight As, prefects, prefects, leads in the school orchestra, hockey and netball captains etc) didn't go on to be particularly successful in adult life.

one of the most famous places where that kind of people are created in Poland is :

http://www.sgh.waw.pl/en/ogolne-en/

Polish people translate it in way "Szczury gonią hajs". What means "Rats chase after money"
there are two different questions:
1) If we like them
2) If we need them ;)

(students form other economics schools in Poland would have the same answer for two questions ;) )

I feel that there are two different answers ...

I know that a lot of people feel satisfaction when puffed up person is unsuccessful ;) and some of them have problems after studies ... Most od them are successful (we talk about career) ...

as to SGH (link I have posted) they are very good in what they do ...



generaly hard work is the most important thing ... I feel that Polish students of medicne, informatics and economics know what I mean. In Poland poles have education for free so there is no difference poor or rich ... everybody have chance.

Yeah, my friend worked for some time as a teacher in high school and gimnazjum here in Poland and said to me that the level of education was definitely higher in "our times". Maybe it's just an international phenomenon?

Yes,exactly because teachers and proffessors are now pressed by middle class to lower expectations of academic performance,to substantially lower criteria for admission process to university etc and most of them comply in order to keep their jobs.There is a general culture of anti-intellectualism.

After watching polish Big Brother the other day, I'm afraid you are right.

The irony of all this is that, as 'Lesser' (I like the name!) hints at, the excellence of the Polish education system IS rooted in the communist era and IS now starting to see a decline (like all over Europe). I just have to board our local bus at the end of the school day to despair at the future of the Polish education system! I suggest everyone watches "Idiocracy" to see what the future holds for humanity!

My girl is the top of our group of 250 at college...so proud of her!

above the rest of maybe 240 none polish people.

matches the topic title.

This is too much to say that the communist started this process. However they kept high level of education in many areas. This just sad that high level of math could coexist with retarded communist vision of economics.



I think that this is rather politicians try to appease to the people in this area. They don't care about public pressure if this would cost them much of effort.

That's the whole point of the anti-discrimination laws. One group of people feels bad for another and tries to "make up" for it.

Like the whites in America are somewhat doing for the blacks.