Polish teenager murdered after arriving in UK

For all that are interested, the best way to find news is to use Google news and type in "Zuzanna Zommer".

One sad comment was:
The resident said there was a large Polish community in the area who mainly kept themselves to themselves.

Britain has had large influxes of immigrants at various times before; West Indian, Pakistani, Ugandan Asian etc, but now it is the turn of Eastern Europe. This forum ought to be a vehicle for promoting understanding and integration. We all have ideological, religious and even racial predispositions and bias, but that should inspire us understand each other on a deeper level.
The constant threads on sex do not help integration, very few are amusing; most are puerile.

This 14 year old girl was sexually assaulted and killed, probably by a neighbour of a similar age as her own father. That is the ultimate result of one man's sexual fantasy.

Please do not misunderstand. I enjoy sex, but there is more to life than this; just as there is more to Poles than the colour of their hair or their eyes or thier physical attributes.

My interest in Poles started because of girls coming to stay in the summer and improve their English, now my family visits theirs and the circle has widened to include friends on both sides.

I don't want to see or hear of ghetto mentality - just integration and respect.

My heartfelt sympathy goes to the bereaved family with prayers for them all.

You and I have disagreed on some things in the past, but I am 100% with you on this one, absolutely

my friend atleast you have the courage to admit this shallow thought, that you only restricted your human understanding of another creation to females from a particular area.

in regards to the rest of your comments you are quite right, these poblems exist in britain becasue they are fixed in their lives, they do not seem to understand human nature, in poland this type of crime is limited one reason is becasue families are stronger. i think the family is the core of society and although its not always hunky dory but its the root to goodness.
you are right when you say there is more to sex, but how come in a society like this can one move away from it, have a look at crimewatch, hiddeos crimes are commited against women - this is in the name of freedom, in poland 30-40 years ago woman had their place in society - as mothers, sisters, wives, developing the family. to move away from hese problems we need to respect women and control the youth.
i pray our fathers kinest blessings are showered on this family. amen

"Jareck" - Any shallowness is in your mind and comprehension

I apologise for my shorthand phraseology. Gender is irrelevant, the students were specifically introduced by a mutual friend for the sole purpose of learning English with an English family during holidays.
As my wife is a registered childminder, my entire family has passed Police checks for legal and moral suitability.
Our family hospitality to students has not been restricted to females or Poles and I recommend that foreign nationals use official student schemes when coming to the UK if they have no family connections.

BTW I regard all non-member comments as suspect in motive and content.

indeed, what difference does it make if one is a member or not, i am rather busy teaching english these days, unable to find the time

Your pupils are in dire straits: marks for punctuation 0/10

Condolences to the girls family but UK is no more dangerous than Poland. people can get killed where ever they live and crimes are sadly committed against polish people, but crimes are also committed by polish people.

Here is a case of Wojciech Ciesla, aged 49, who sneaked into the house of single mother Juline Chambers with the intention of robbing her, but he strangled her in the process, right in front of her 15month old son.

I do not wish to demean the murder of Zuzanna but I guess what i'm trying to say is, sometimes there are bad apples in a given bunch and all we can do is pray and hope that we don't become a victim of any serious crime.

Britain is safer then Las Vegas. been there I know.
who sick can somebody be to do this. I hope this guy gets shot.
its really sad what people can do. here in Las Vegas rthere are crimes here evryday.
we were in London walking at night and felt very safe.

It's a big place. There are many areas where I wouldn't walk at any time of the day.

I know Britain is big but the towns where I was were safe.its is never safe anywhere you go nowadays really sad.I hope things work out for the family.

I do too. What I really hope for is that my country can curb the rise in violent crime to prevent more inncoecent people having to go through what this poor family are going through now.

I agree S. I love your country people everywhere should help to stop crime and put all these sick f88ks away for good.you British are very nice people better then Amercians I am not kidding.thanks

Fixated.? not the word i would have chosen , but since you asked i am just a little sad that somebody came to the city that was my home for 20 years and got murdered at the age of 14...If concern for this poor family is fixation then yes i am fixated...

Actually i only posted once...the other post was not from me , i wasn,t aware of the tragedy till i read it...

The latest news is that the guy who was arrested has now been charged with the crime....

love and light to this young girls family, they must be going through hell right now.

glad they cought and charged the creep who did this.
hope they give him capital punishment. condolences to the family.

I just thought that i would add that two men have been arrested in connection with the death of the Polish woman that was caught up in the gunfight........

i think you can ry and prevent this sort of behaviour without using violence... like people have said that poland is not as dangerous as england there are certain reasons fro this... just as many middle and far eastern countries have very low crime rates:
people respect laws, they are less rebelious, parents have control over children, upbringing of children in school and home is well balanced with good values and behaviours,,
unfortunately in some of the most developed countries like us and uk there are no values, parents have no control......... the TV is the mother and musci is the father.........
in the uk there was a shooting between drug dealers that resulted in the loss of life af an inocent female......... what crime did she commit..

yes...this the death i was speaking about...two men arrested...

Jareck I fear you may be right. I have always felt safer in mainland Europe/Poland than here in the UK.That said,the UK is hardly the crime ridden nightmare that may be portrayed in some media. Of approximatly 1 1/2 million Poles here over the last few years I can think of around four or five who have come to tragic ends,the lass in Scotland,the young lad in london,the girl shot last week also in london,obviously little Zuzanna and the girl caught up in the london bombings. Wouldnt this compare ,percentage wise to the murder rate in Poland itself? Obviously to die far from home is somehow more tragic but I dont think the UK is any more deadly for Poles than anywhere else. Random acts of violence and drunken/drugged up street crime are ,I would guess far more commen over here though to this countries shame.

In case anyone is wondering, this was unfortunately a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.. she was an innocent passer-by who got caught in cross-fire. Absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she happened to be Polish. I live in London and yes, we have street crime and certain areas are more dodgy than others.. but dont let that put you off visiting or indeed living here. I believe there is more violence in suburbia (quiet towns) than there is in any City centre.. too many bored teenagers with nothing to do.

oh crikey no,I dont think anyones actually been killed for being Polish here ,yet.The knuckle draggers and scumbags have more clearly defined,ie brown,targets to pick on.

jareck I agree with you whole heartedly but here in America parents or never home to watch their children kids here get into sex have babies earlier are into drugs not show up to school grow up too early.that is most of parents here not all.
I believe in capital punishment.becuase if somebody kills especially a child is to me too sick and should die. its called morals.I think Britain is safer to live then here.

your morals,others belive that NO human has the right to take another life whether out of pschosis or a pencil pushing state lackey ordering it as pointless retribution.

I am just saying no one should get away with murder. how about this the murderer should live in jail the rest of their lives everyday going through hell in their mind never forgeting what they did. do i sound better now.

sounds like my belief :)

bless ya Sofi,its nice to know Im not alone in finding the "Hang 'em" mentality as disturbing as the mind of a murderer. :)

100% with you there! No parole without seriously extenuating circumstances .

I find it to be sinking to their level... the biggest hypocrisy there is.

addition: as well as being a horrible thing to find yourself capable of deciding lol

eh??

There were around 1/4 million of us Poles before the EU floodgates opened! :p