Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British

I completely agree with this. I have seen the amounts of people who are actually better off sitting around doing nothing and living off the state. The polish population (in the most part) actually comes over here to honestly work and earn a little bit of money. We work hard, we pay taxes (again for the most part) and we are honest people trying to make a life for ourselves.

As much as I may have "taken" someone's job, in this job I pay taxes which pays for the large percentage of people on benefits. Either way, things work out to be fair. By working here the Poles put money into the British economy and at the end of the day everyone benefits!

this is not the case now, it has been abolished and people must pay!

It doesnt actually state the hours worked by migrants, but I would imagine that migrant works longer hours. I read a similar article in the Telegraph yesterday and it also said mentioned the strain on schools and hospitals and that wages were being driven down by migrant works.

So what it comes down to is that migrant workers work harder, even though they earn less. So instead of giving motivation to current employees of many establishments, the employees of those establishments find it easier to complain...

'Weekly mean earnings'.......is like for like......so it doesn't say they earn more because they work more hours.

A comparison based on like for like.......It's a government study and I read the online info about it.

Nice to see you back Shelley, did you have a good holiday ?

:)

That may or may not be the case. The Government study stated what i already quoted in a previous post. It doesn't specifically refer to Polish people.

It's always best to read the article first based on the evidence otherwise things can so easily get misconstrued. :)

I don't understand how Polish people are harder workers than their British counterparts.

When I was working in the building trade I was paid a daily rate and usually a bonus. It stands to reason that anyone being paid a bonus will put in more effort. Also. some building jobs are paid according to a fixed price. So the quicker you do it, the quicker you can move on to the next job.
Experience is what counts and some people who are well organized can appear to work slower, but in fact achieve more.

The last time I worked in the UK was almost twenty years ago. The going rate offered by building companies on this forum is no higher than I was earning all those years ago.

Polish immigrants and others are without doubt dragging pay rates down and building companies are obviously using the "hard workers" statement as an excuse to pay less

That's exactly the point, the immigrants don't make up the pay rates, their employers do. So in fact the employers are paying less. I don't know a single polish person who would rather work for less than for more. In the end everyone wants to be paid the most they can make. Your statement logically doesn't follow through.

Try reading to the end of the sentence.

Hence you are actually saying that building companys are using migrant workers as an excuse?

I think it's clear what I'm saying. In order to guarantee work, Polish workers have shown that they will work for less. Building companies are taking full advantage of this.



To pay less. Yes.

Ok, I got it and I agree, to a point migrant workers do agree to work for lower wages if those wages translate to earning more than they would earn in their country of origin.

Hi - again

I feel better having got my rant off my chest now - thanx to those above : mkrzywinski, Nigel, _Sofi_ and osiol who agreed enough to quote me.

osiol - you are right - I'm not sorry really - just a figure of 'speech'. I like this forum already - just as good as the car club I'm a member of.

Oh one last thing I just noticed .... I mis-spelt my own name !!!! - ah well

Allowing all these Poles in to the U.K will no doubt bring general wage levels down and quality of building work will suffer too. A lot of these Poles pretend they know everything and can turn their hands to anything, rather like a lot on this forum! However, in general, their work can even be dangerous! The future working class in this country is going to have serious problems.

I wonder why language tuition is free.
I think it should be each person's individual responsibility.

Wrong. From what I have seen - this is how it works:

The Employee knows that wages are lower in Poland. He offers the Pole £50 when normally it's £100, but in Poland he'd get £25. The Pole says yes because he's making double and he can't risk losing the job to the next Pole. The employee makes £50.
However - once the Poles settle down they learn how to deal with the employees and gradually get better pay.

I could never afford builders at the going UK rate anyhow - and I'm on £30K. I have a roof over my head because a pole agreed to fix my house for a price I could afford.

So when the building inspector arrives on site - and issues pass certificates etc...that means nothing or are they cowboys also?

"rather like a lot on this forum! "
don't be so hard on yourself

Very often these 'pass certificates' are passed without any visual inspection at all. I am certainly never hard upon myself and am not to start to either.

So why are these qualified, intelligent, western, civilised gentlemen inspectors not doing their job properly and exposing those poor working class to years of problems and general danger? Why do they not view the work done by these so called cowboys?

Note* If a house was built in Poland by UK standards I hazzard to guess it would not make it through the first winter.



Before you conclude about others - you first need to have a good look at yourself.

Before you can rock & roll - you first need to learn how to play the blues.