Polish Thoughts on Britain and the British

Yes they are paying tax but the lower the wage the less tax, and this tax does not cover the services which they use,


Sadie,

Can you please clarify what are the services that we use fo free? That is apart from medical service( that i use maybe twice a year) ? We pay for accomodation, pay travel, phone etc what comes to us free?
when i was applying for my job, the salary was already set , noone said to me, hey you are polish we can pay you a lower wage. So whoever is working in my position Brit or not brit is paying exactly the same amount of tax!!!!!

Joey

Please let me explain, I wasn't referring to just Polish people, I was referring to the newcomers, the bulgarians etc., who are prepared to work for a wage that a person in this country with a family and children could not live on.

The services to which I refer to are hospitals, doctors, libraries, job centres, schools I could go on but I dont have the time, public services to sum it up. You may not use these services, but those coming over with families are and there are lot more coming with families.

I understand what you are saying regarding your salary, I didnt say that every single immigrant in this country was paying a pitance or working in menial jobs, but they outweigh the ones like you who are in a job where there are opportunities.

I didnt want to offend I was merely making a point.

Sadie

P.S. ooops, I'm THANKFUL to people on this site who are HELPFUL and OPEN-MINDED, so I thank you all However I consider EVERY opinion IF it make sense, even if is antagonistic.

I understand it, because I try walking in English shoes also. In the same situation I suppose my opinion could be the same.



So because of that I'm looking for what I'm looking for.

"Why on earth shoul foreigners come to UK and get all the good jobs while there is plenty of Brits who need to work themselves?"

Employers look who will be good worker here, not who is British or not, however they are more open to the Brits sometimes..and it's absolutely normal.





You have not noticed I've mentioned I'm not good in that...YET!



Could you quote where I said that?

REALLY??? LACK of info. I had a very well paid job in Poland, BUT I'm traveller AND many people through the AGES were travelled LIKE ME to different countries, willing to develope, to know new cultures in the countries where they could gain some experience, knowledge and learn language non through English courses only.



Like I said de gustibus non est disputandum. What's more I'm not suprised. However is hard to believe you are Polish, I don't know anyone who is talking like you. I!! want to GIVE something from me, I want know better Englishmen, be a FRIEND and PARTNER NOT thankfull slave (I prefer leave it for the masochists), what's more I don't think that English need it. They've got good proffessionals I'm sure they are able to find a good job, but I don't think English are terrified because our fantasic densitst, doctors or engineers coming here. Somebody who is doing minor office job maybe is not good canditate for other positions.
This is not a question to be grateful, but partner in MY opinion. For now I've got some interesting intervievs, I was ALSO invited! to come to Ireland, Google's headquarter, (kind of MAJOR office because their head-hunter have found! my details on-line, the same with London- sales executive position 30.000 per year etc etc so I feel appreciated in great Britain, maybe you've got the same opportunities so it's your choice to do minor jobs. It's ok, the world need different people to many other proffesions. I don't want always repeat- I'm looking here not for big money, I could get them even in Poland, Italy, Mars maybe. I'm looking for right people to work with, to feel good in my job, to know better this country and maybe go to see other places or maybe fall in love in UK and stay here? Who knows?. Life is too short to waste it. If somebody like it, ok, but do not make me to to it the same.

If someone has spent years educating themselves and specialising as a dentist, doctor or teacher or other specialised profession, of course they want to work in their field and not to simple warehouse work which pays less and gives them less job satisfaction. Even if they are able to earn more working in GB as a warehouse operative than a doctor in Poland (which sadly is true at the moment).

As for Polish workers paying less tax - what utter nonsense. Noone chooses what tax they pay, employment agencies slap on a tax of 25% and that is what most people pay. I would say they pay above the average until they are sorted out with a permanent NI number and a P45 from the last job.

I really get annoyed at stupid posts like this, my advice to you is stop reading the Daily Mail and start talking to people - real Poles to find out just what they are paying and what they are using.

Funny, a British person emigrates to Australia or Poland (yes there are many Brits in Poland now, most teach English , or another country and they expect to send their child to school, get free healthcare, but they seem to think it does not work the other way round.

Wouldn't it be easier to just stop all topics about "British people" they always degenerate into the same thing "that pole stole my job" or "English people are lazy".

With the current multicultural tension in England I think it's a lot safer just to get back to discussing what this forum is supposed to be about.. Poland, not England.

The reason I go to places like Poland is to get away from all this crap.

Look, buddy. I really like yours castles in scotland or whatever. The problem is: Loch Ness monster. How You deal with it?

I wasnt quoting you Magdushya, that was just a general statment




Well, maybe i am one of those Polish people who do not expect to be given anything just because they came to the country and are willing to work. I have a good job, it is reasonably well paid and people who i work with are just terrific plus i get free collage training. It is a minor job now but i know in a few years time i will get higher.
My point is, that people should not come to the country and think that they deserve all the best. Yes we should all be equal and i do believe there is enough opportunities for Poles in UK and i just do not get why do you always want to have everything.

If you are as great as you say and everyone wants to employ you, how come you are here moaning about not equal opportunities?

one more thing i can tell from my expierience that what is highly required and valued here is a personality. most employers will not give you work if they think that you would not fit in and get on with their staff.


Its all about first impressions, and if you come to an interview and you act like you deserve everything because people offer you great jobs and you are so well educated and everythin about you is perfect then no wonder it's hard. Have you heard about such thing as being overqualified for a position?

I said that people will earn less and therefore pay less - e.g., I earn in excess of £2,500 a month therefore I will pay significant amount more than someone earning £800 per month - I didnt say "those people would be on a lower tax bracket" please read my post before slinging mud in my direction.



Did anyone say that??? Also I have noticed that private health care is also preferred in Poland, so most will pay for their health care, and howmany British are living in Poland?? certainly not 1million.

My post was not about putting down Polish people, I was merely making a point and would appreciate it if you didn't get so overheated.

Joey

I couldn't agree more with your above comments. Good luck for the future.

Sadie

Sorry Joey, for me this khm khm debate with you is pointless, even if I start to use Polish and believe me in this I'm sure I'm really but really good. Don't take me wrong, you've got your point of viev, I've got mine. If you didn't understand what I mean so doesn't make sense I will be trying again. Ok, maybe one LAST time, I don't WYMAGAM or ŻĄDAM it, I want to ZASŁUŻYĆ na GODNĄ work. Could somebody help me with the better translation of these words please, better than "deserve"? However, like Sadie, I wish you really good luck for the future, whatever it means to you

Hunkydory thank you for your very interesting and observant post.I agree with most of your points and it is nice to hear from someone who has been here since 1994 and the changes you have noticed.

Magdushya,these are some things you must do:

Buy or borrow the Lonely Planet guide to Britain.

Visit free London - Hyde Park,Regents Park,St James Park,British Museum,Natural History Museum,Science Museum etc.

Visit traditional English fishing villages like Shorham On Sea,Leigh On Sea (no posh yuppies)

Visit Cornwall and Devon.Here you will find many traditional,polite more laid-back English people who left South East England because it got too commercial and money obsessed.

To be honest in every town,village and city in England you will find some of those traditional,mannered,open hearted people you seek.You just need to look in the right places.

Of course I have seen some of these places, BUT I'm greedy for more! Thank you for pointing me in the right direction

My favourite places are:

The Western Isles of Scotland
The English Lake District
The Isles of Scilly
Selly Oak (only joking)

Also try Bournemouth and Brighton

Scarborough -- Whitby are good coastal towns of the north

T... thats just not true...

how about the Midlands... the true heart of England..home to faggots and mushy peas and famous for industries such as glass blowing, steel works and saddlery. the people are very friendly indeed and most have a great sense of humour (you need it to live there), there is a growing Polish community and drinks and houses (in no particular order) are amongst the cheapest in the UK... you may have problems understanding the local accent though.

Including the only city in the whole world where the entire population has a speech impediment !

Only joking Brummies - I was born a Scouser so have had far worse jokes than this . If anyone mentions hub caps I'm going to lose it big time

well to some, there is a subtle difference... when I first moved to London, people thought I was a scouser.. as they couldnt tell the difference between Midlands and Scouse accents... I even got chased down the street in Croydon by a gang of hoodies calling me a scouse *****... so I followed them home later and burgled them

youre such a scally Saph

oh Sappire, I live in B'ham hehe, You are not only foxy lady but bad girl also


Scouse: Spiegl refers to this dish with a pun: pot-au-feu l'hiver poule. The word comes from lobscouse, a sailor's (very likely a Norwegian sailor) dish of stewed meat, vegetables, and ship's biscuit, not unlike Irish stew. Lobscouser became a slang name for a sailor. As a port city, Liverpool became known for this dish. The word Scouser came to refer to a native of Liverpool, the city where they ate scouse, and Scouse referred also to the pronunciations and usages of that speech community. Debates about details continue, but some of the details are fascinating, for instance the fact that in Norway today Lapp Skews (not all that far from labscouse) are stewed strips of reindeer meat.

Can some one tell me if there is a better "definition" of a Scouser?

S is for Sardonic sense of humour
C is for Comedian born and Bred
O is for Only supports one soccer team (but has two to choose from!)
U is for Unswerving love for all things Liverpool
S is for Scouse eater
E is for Eulogizes Liverpool at every opportunity
R is for Rejoices in a good argument

Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Scous*er (noun) First appeared 1959: a native or inhabitant of Liverpool, England.

What does It mean ?

hmmm...could be:

Burglar: A person who steals
Ham-burglar: Robble robble robble. hamburger thief
Turd Burglar:male homosexual...no need to explain

Thanks Fish.

A warm, compassionate person from the fair port city of Liverpool with a wicked sense of humour who does not steal hub caps from cars, or car radios, or grandmothers and who is absolutely not over sensitive to jokes about the preceeding list. Oh, and they must have an intense dislike of Boris Johnson, MP.

Can't resist it.

heard a joke. Liverpool John Lennon airport (above me only sky)
has been renamed - imagine no possesions!

LOL

Bless you my son, you are forgiven

Or Colleen in the sky with diamonds

I find it impossible to have English friends. I am a female, 27, I am very open and friendly, and everywhere I go (example at work) English girls talk behing each other back. They don't like talking to me much, they like their own company. Possibly they think because I am Polish I think differently and have different to their mentality.

Last night, three of us went into a Hertford pub. Two of us English, one Polish. It wasn't a great pub - just a few old blokes, no music. We were on a bit of a pub crawl, so we thought we'd have one pint then go. After a few minutes, word of a Polish man amongst us became known and suddenly there were about three different people talking to him in Polish. They were all English, but each had their own bizarre reasons for knowing some of the language. None of them spoke very good Polish, but what a warm welcome to an otherwise dull public house!