Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

- Others refused...?



- Where? When? Any examples of this?! What a cheeky one you are sometimes.

Thanks miranda for what you've done, and for your lowdown in this forum.

Including your oh so kind and patient replies to my 'bugging.'

I don't know.
well, I find that sometimes news articles are written for a reason, as we all know, so when I read them, I try to concentrate on facts, not on opinions, which sometimes might not be easy - we all know how press works and sometimes a lot of things are left out.
So I provide links to those atricles, instead if interpreting them myself and as I have seen, different people have different take on the same article. I am trying to keep my emotions in check and try to be objective. I am trying not to make any jugements, but as I said - being from Poland myslef will make me a biased reader.
I am not trying to be cheeky. I really don't have the time:)

- A wise wen..., oops, lady you are indeed. My hat off to you.

you almost slipped. Good boy:)

The line of civilty was crossed a long time ago on this forum. These people who berate Canadians as a result of this unfortunate incident are a disgrace.

Is that not an issue here? What forum have you been reading? You yourself have partaken in this debate so enough of the "holier than thou" sentiment. The only problem I have on this forum is the constant barrage of verbal abuse from idiots like puzzler who are as clueless as the days is long. How can you honestly defend someone as narrow minded and blatently hypocritical as this person, and ask me what MY problem is?

Well you almost got it right. Solution is simple puzzler, we have a saying in Canada that you should be all too familar with - if you play with the bull, your gonna get the horns. I have never insinuated that Canada is without it's social problems, on the contrary I think it's amazing we cooexist at all given the level of multicultural integration in our society. However that is the point, we do manage and we are quite good at it despite your personal experiences. Regardless of my comments, you are obviously educated and have a genuine interest in political events. I enjoy these arguements. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right. The best thing about arguing with you is... I'M RIGHT.

I think your now getting the point. I'm not going as far as to say that my retaliation to you comments has somewhat caused you to bend with the breeze, so to say (wink), but I think there is still hope for you.

I took nothing out of context, it was taken word for word from your statement. Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. I did not alter the statement in any fashion. Cut and paste brother!




Took this out of the dictionary to help you out. You like using big words, small ones seem a bit more challenging to you.

rant /rænt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rant] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used without object) 1. to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way; rave: The demagogue ranted for hours.
–verb (used with object) 2. to utter or declaim in a ranting manner.
–noun 3. ranting, extravagant, or violent declamation.
4. a ranting utterance.

It should sound FAMILIAR to YOU because it is YOU who wrote the COMMENTS on the forum that I am referring to! You sound like a broken record. Are you telling me that each thread you write offers a fresh new perspective on the issues? Even on other forums your doing nothing but bashing other nationalities. You recently told me that you have held a grudge in Canada that is partially responsible for your hatred towards Canadians, are you telling me that you have been screwed over in the same manner by the other countries you berate, or just bitter from your inability to integrate into another society? I certainly don't blame you, it's hard being in a new country. At least I had the benefit of arriving in Canada when I was very young so it was very easy for me, I realize this. I certainly refuse to believe that immigration into any other country is no less challenging than it is here.



I don't have to pretend to be anyone. I'm a very proud person who is very opinionated. I excercise my rights to speak freely every time I get because I can in this country. Right or wrong, I always stand behind my comments. I do not gloat when I'm right nor fail acknowledge when I feel I'm truly wrong. I've done nothing to anyone, especially on this forum that I feel I have to apologize for (well maybe a few ill-placed ill-worded references),. but at the end of it all it's just me talking. I'm probably the most honest person on this forum.

Speaking of which, are you this hostile and volatile in real life, or are you simply manifesting your alter-ego under the anonimity of a screen name? Who REALLY is pretending here?

you also called me names, so you are no different than Puzller, who has called me names before.Therefore, the arguments of both of you have no value to me.

- So you can't prove, giving specific examples, that I have been 'ranting'? Seems you've been lying again.



- What other nationalities would that be? So I allegedly go to other forums? Which ones? Give the proof. Wow, I've always thought the PF is the only forum (and THE Polish forum) I come to, but denim the Canadian megalomaniac and Polonophobe seems to know better than me.
Let him give the proof (it's a rhetorical hope, of course).



- You surely came from Poland? In such a case, yes, it must have been real 'easy' on you, sure. :)

No point in denying, pal: there is a strong negative prejudice against the Poles in Canada, and it dates back at least 100 years. There's no such prejudice in other former British colonies, such as Australia and New Zealand.

And yes, you are a hypocrite: you pretend the prejudice doesn't exist and try to look like all-nations-loving angel.

I'll be speaking about the Canadian prejudice, and try thus to make Canadians admit it exists and get rid of it. I'm not into keeping alive mutual bitterness. I believe that speaking out one's grudges honestly, even in an extremely insulting manner, helps remove them and restore peace and harmony. Of course, one needs as honest and outspoken opponent as oneself for the method to work. Are you such an opponent, denim the hypocrite?
:)

- And right you are by not going as far (but you have gone nonetheless). I have changed my mind for other reasons than having been intimidated by you. All this doesn't mean I'm recanting my previous statements, such as there's strong Polonophobia in Canada, and not going to provide pertinent facts.

I wouldn't mind an ol' good mud-slinging match with you. There used to be an abuse thread on this forum (a brilliant idea indeed), but I'm not sure if folks running the forum will allow it to be continued at present, with folks like miranda complaining about calling names (I once called her, pardon me, a 'wench').

Then get out and go home...!! Simple as that!!

On reading 'some' of these comments... Sure makes me realize... there are a lot of insecure people out there... regardless from what country you reside or are from.

RE: RCMP TASERING @ YVR... We must realize it was the 'Hands' these taser's are placed in that does most damage!

more news on Dziekanski and tasers


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U.N.: Tasers Are A Form Of Torture


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Timeline traces 9 hours from man's arrival at Vancouver airport to his death

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and should i care?

Hello,

My condolescences to Robert and his family. This story had all the hallmarks of a tragedy:
I do have some unaswered questions in my mind.

1) Why was a translator not informed or at least obtained? In the video you can hear someone saying he is talking Russian. I wonder if even a Russian translator might have helped defuse the situation.

2) If Robert was coming to an English speaking country, why did he not have a translation dictionary (English/Polska) on him? Surely he might have been able to piece a few broken sentences together on paper for someone to assist?

3) Why didn't customs do their job? How can a person just magically disappear for 6 hours and nobody seems to know what exactly happened. This is all in a so-called secure area?

4) Why did RCMP become involved when security in the airport could have diffused the situation?

I will try to play devil's advocate. I try to picture what it must have been like to have an obviously agitated person, who speaks no English staring down at you and obvisouly not understanding a word you are saying. With adrenalin pumping through my veins, I can't say what I would have done if I was the RCMP officer.

On the other hand, I've been in Robert's shoes - sort of. I do not want to underplay the experience that he endured. Nothing I have lived would have compared to his situation. This summer I was in Poland after taking a 10 hour journey to get there via car. When I got there, I immediately got lost. The instructions my friend gave me were good, but I did not realize there had been construction. My phone card did not work and nobody spoke English or not enough for them to understand me. There was a moment where I pulled over and contemplated. I am sure Robert was doing the same thing too. What do I do now? Well, suffice it to say, I didn't lose control but I feel I could easily have, had I been dehydrated and as tired as him. BTW, I still remember that kind gentlemen at the petro station who jumped on a phone to help direct my friend to my location. Without his assistance, I don't what I would have done that night. I suppose the Polish customs didn't attack me either, but then who knows what they would have done had I reached for their monitor or attempted to block the customs driveway.

In all tragedies, we may never know. I hope that Canadian police forces stop using tasers and if the RCMP was in fact found to be in breach of protocol, should be appropriately punished and prosecuted to the further extent of the law.

I lost my illusions long time ago .... that I escaped totalitarian system.
Marek

His mother was the one who told him to wait by the baggage pick up area. He only did what he was told and was waiting for her. Although she did try to find him, but nobody knew where he was.
Very strange situation....

Terrible case... Many Canadians are sorrow and feel bad about what happened in the airport.

So, where are you at now? Just to clarify....

Good, straightforward comments! Thanks!

update on Dziakanski
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The order of events were never clear but finally it is. Thanks Miranda.

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more on tasers
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yup..

whats worse then Polish whining are Canadians posting here and begging for forgiveness like we committed some kind of war atrocity on Poland
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Maybe Poland is going to declare war on Canada.? Puzzler would be happy.

Hey everyone I was just concerned because it looked like he was having a panic attack before the security got there. After Sept 11th I could see that happening in the USA although I hate to admit it. What bothered me worse was seeing the guard with the club at the end of the tape come over keep hitting him.
Carol

The depth of your reasoning and conclusion is just amazing! Wow! :) So Canadian...just like those police officers at the scene. And the last time I checked Poland had enough fish, wood and snow...so taking over Canada is probably not on the national interest priority list there. Signing off. No more posts here; this thread is dying naturally since it's been a while.