Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

Thanks m, it helps me to understand a little more.

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no problem - here is the "full" coverage of the events and other realted topics. I am still upset.

Hi all, please don't judge Canadians by the reprehensible actions of these thugs. The majority of Canadians are appalled and calling for an inquiry into the incident as well as demanding the officers be charged. Most are calling for murder charges. We are also demanding that the practice of having the police investigate themselves be stopped because nothing ever comes out of it other than a coverup.

I am so disgusted by what I watched I can't even consider appropriate adjectives.

You may also want to know that there is a campaign being organized where people are contacting their elected officials at all levels of government with copies going to Robert's mother's lawyer to show the public support we feel she deserves.

I have never been embarrassed to be Canadian before.

pete, what can i do to join the campaign thing you talked about, what do you meanm"copies"...

i cant believe our own flesh and blood is being executed on canadian soil, to hell with these pigs...

And warsaw.....i just realized that you put "the real tragedy is that 4 RCMP members will be under scruitny" THE REAL TRAGEDY? YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE SOME COPS ARE THE FOCUS OF OUTRAGE IS WORSE THEN EBING MURDERED?

jak ty myslis ze polaka zycie jest warte mniej nisz jakies huje policijne, to ty masz pomerdane w glowie. ty nie jestes polak. spierdalaj huju, ic sie powieszic!

You know for years it has been evident the RCMP are incapable of policing our country. Here from the video they totally over-reacted and killed a innocent man. Why did it take a tazer and four men to subdue this person. There is no excuse and lets admit it they are "circling the wagons" and we are going to be fed great amounts of BS by the RCMP in the next few weeks. This man came from a totally secure area of the airport so we know he did not possess any weapon that could harm anyone, oh yes he had a stapler in his hand wow is that ever enough to scare me??? I have visited Poland several times and find overall most people have a healthy respect for the police so this man was not going to be a problem, just confused and worried. I know how I feel in a strange place not speaking the language and no one helping me. It is time the RCMP are held responsible for their actions, after all they EASILY could have just tackled this man and held him, no instead they get trigger happy and we now see the results. So VERY SAD for this man and his family.

have done it , thank you for your suggestion;)

There's a big drive for funds and official protest here in Canada. Polish Canadian communities and organizations will try to help Dzienkanski's mom, and keep pressure on the government to punish all those responsible for the tragedy.

Polish Wings: here you go: //justice4robertd.blogspot.com/ apparently there is a stock template letter already set up to go to your MP. Personally, I'm sending mine to my MLA (Mantioba Legislature), my Member of Parliament, our Justice Minister Stockwell Day (his email is available through Gov't websites) and a paper signed original to Robert's mother so she can forward that to her lawyer (that's what I meant by copies).

If anyone doesn't think the Canadians are disgusted look at the Globe & Mail. One article has 971 comments. A CBC British Columbia website comment section has 905. Most are not supportive of the RCMP.

And to Puzzler: You're a racist. That's why people treat you like that. You paint everyone with generalities so they do it back. Not saying it's right. Our country is full of immigrants because everyone was one at one time or another here.

And for what I think of Poles? My grandfather trained with them in the UK in WWII for with the RAF. He said they were practically fearless. My great-uncle served in the Cdn Airborne in WWII (Arnhem). He said the Poles wanted to jump into Arnhem even though they knew the plan was bad and had been compromised. Why? They weren't going to leave their comrades on the ground by themselves. He also said that they were brave to the point it made you shake your head. That was about the 'attacking tanks with swords' comment. His version was an infantryman facing a tank will die unless he takes it out. He also added that if your country was illegally attacked, the people repressed and you were fighting for your family and home you would probably go after a Tiger with a can opener if it was all you had. Bottom line: we're not all racists here. No country has a monopoly on stupidity.

thanks Pete, I just spoke to my local MP and forwarded part of your message, since she hasn't organized anything herself yet.
However she is pressing for public inquiry.

This is shame of manking, thats shows how people can be so stupid. The victim is totally safe and harmless. Its obvious racist canadian police did it deliberately. I am not polish so its enough for me to be objective. THere is no excuse for the cops. They are 100 % faulty. But i believe God is great how they get terrorized people they will have it cascaded someday. I pray those cops will have disasters in their families. same stupid canadian goverment import many terrorists and show them respect because of their money earned from drug trafficking. But innocent people like the Polish victim being tortured and killed. SHAME ON YOU CANADIAN GOVERNMENT. I am going to witdraw all my investment in Canadian investment agency. I dont wanna do business with inhuman morons. I send my condolonces all my polish brothers sisters.

Aviorix, please read some of the responses from Canadians to this horrible event on the forums I've already listed. People here are not impressed either.

By the way, powertripping cops have harassed me to the point where I had to hire a lawyer and I was born in Canada, so please put the racism card back in the deck. Those thugs would've tasered Mother Teresa they were so ignorant.

And for the importing terrorists and money earned from drug trafficking - back up what you say or don't say it. Facts, please. I could use Puzzler as an example of your average Polish person, but I won't because it wouldn't be an accurate representation. Painting people of different countries and races with the same brush rather than looking at individual cases is what you say the motivation behind this was. So how do you measure up doing the same thing to all Canadians, be they average citizens, police or government? You see I could put you down, write you off as this or that, but I'm not an 'inhuman moron'. The only reason I'm even posting here is to make people like you aware that the majority of Canadians are appalled and want action to be taken so this never happens again.

- It would be even better if you scrutinised your conscience and admitted, instead of disgracefully denying, that for long years Canadians have been holding a negative, contemptuous, in fact racist, attitude towards the Polish people and things Polish. This admission could prevent horrific things happening in the future, such as murder of Poles by Canadians.

I agree with Pete. We are talking about RCMP, who represent a case of misconuct, one a many in Canada. I am sure police forces in other countries have behaved in similar way.

Last year I witnessed 20!!!!!!! police officers integogating one homelss men during the Caribana festival. They brought extra forces into the city, just in case and were just "looking" for trouble. 20 policemen vs. one ill Afro - American. Absolute disgrace.

- Are you suggesting there's something wrong with Puzzler? What would that be? And yes, use me as an example of an average Polish person - who gives damn if you do or don't.

Is it a threat or what, creep? Maybe you and those like you in your 'great' country should bunch up and start lynching local Poles in reprisal for Puzzler's opinions? You certainly have got a long experience in lynching and tormenting others, don't you, incorrigible, stuck-in-denial, self-complacent racist creeps?

I'm disgusted by most of posts by Canadians in this thread. Apart from Shawn, the only one who has showed dignity and real human feeling is the person using the nick Sorry. Yes, there are also such decent people in Canada, but, judging even from this thread, they are very few indeed.

- Of course you do. No surprises here, as you always seem to tend to agree with Polonophobes, being a virulent Polonophobe yourself. I'll repeat (without any hope of being understood by the likes of you): can you imagine the psychopaths from Canadian Customs and RCMP pigs treating a visitor from China, India, Africa, or any such place, or indeed from Germany, Denmark, Holland, etc. the way they treated Mr Dziekanski?

If you can't, what would it tell you?

- In reality, the responsibility falls, first of all, on the particular racist psychopaths from Canadian Customs and police, then on countless Polonophobic racist members of Canadian 'society,' including Canadian media psychopaths.

I don't know what you are talking about. I just spoke with a local MP in regards to Dziekanski - she called me back from Ottawa. How is that Polonophobic to you?
If you really want to do something productive, instead of yapping of PF, e-mail whomever you want in the Canadian governemt as a sign of protest. Every person counts. Many people, incluing Polish organizations are doing something as we speak. Action, not yapping changes things.

And don't tell me that the government will not do anything. People here are REALLY upset.

I am sure this incident will bring changes in the future.
Some people who posted here actually got off their behinds and pick up the phone, googled some contacts etc - how about you? What have you done about Mr Dzikanski's death? Ha? I really want to know how patriotic you are - so we can all follow your example.

The verbal diaherrea that spews from puzzler, is nothing short of a broken sewer pipe and deserves no response. The only relief for him is a padded cell with copious doseages of ritilin or lithium.

My only question to the disgruntled is, if it's so bad, why stay, go back. There is no N.K.V.D. No one is keeping you here against your will. And we know it has nothing to do with your charm. Your negative cristisms make it more difficult for the hard working poles, and other immigrants, who love this country and work hard at it , raising families, and making it a better place to live than some of the places that they came from. As many had in the past.

Now on a more serious note, since the joke has been dealt with.

I am a Canadain, born to Polish parents. The tragedy that occurred at Vancouver has virtually shocked everyone in Canada and most of the world. Because of it I offer my condolences to the mother and to all poles for an act that was truly dispicable.

As as a Canadian I am outraged at this immortal act. But as previous contributors have written don't paint us all with the same brush, because of the wrong doings of a few. If any good can come from this is that maybe we can be better, maybe we can learn, and maybe we can become a more gentler, kinder and tolerant people.

As an ex member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, this event has left an indelable stain on all of us past and present and will always be remembered in its history as one of its lowest moments.

No amount of words or retaric can change this event, but I believe a better understanding and tolerance can prevent it from ever happening again.

yes, but this isnt serbia so we should resist the temptation of persecuting him... however hard that may be

Puzzler, I don't have to review my conscience. Did you read my post and just ignore the two examples I gave from my family claiming that Poles were some of the bravest people they've ever met? I've got friends who are Polish, Ukranian, Chinese, Jewish, English, French, German.... I'm no racist.

I am actually coming out and stating again: you are a racist. You refuse to believe that I could have positive feelings and dealings with Poles because of my nationality. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RACISM WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU GET???!!!! That's what I'm doing here - only trying to tell people that most Canadians I talk to are disgusted. We don't think it's acceptable. I'm posting forums where you can read the debate going on here and even write to the Canadian government to show your support for Mrs. Dziekanski - why would I do that if I was a racist? At least I'm trying to make a difference here and where I live. What are you doing? Fanning the flames of division and hatred.

I am an ex soldier and peacekeeper. I've been shot at many times and never had to resort to loading my rifle to resolve the situation. I used communication, respect and understanding, even in light of the fact the person I was dealing with put a bullet within an inch of my head. What the police did was wrong, inexcusable and in my opinion second degree murder.

A lot of Canadian died fighting along side Polish forces attached to the Commonwealth in WWII. Are they racists too?

I'd laugh but I think you actually believe the hate you're spouting. People with mindsets like yours start wars. I've traveled around the world and in every military hotspot there are people like you preaching hate. I've had Muslims wish me a Merry Christmas. I've celebrated Ramadan (spelled wrong) with them in return (but didn't fast). Tolerance and understanding are virtues. Try it some time. Maybe people in Canada are treating you the way you treat them?

And by the way, he'd cleared Customs and Immigration so technically the RCMP committed this act on a Canadian citizen.

To Miranda - thanks for the kind words. Hopefully we get through to the government and they abolish the practice of police investigating themselves.

am i dreaming or something?
no it's not possible.i thought that S.H.I.T couldn't speak!jeez it stinks and still can speak.zeze.this guy was probably cheap labour but i bet that your mom,wife and daughter and even dog are cheaper.they fcuk around for free.

why are you in poland then?you are just an exellent example of an ignorant tw.at from the british isles.thank god that you are minority.

you don't need to be shot in the head as you are brain dead already

- I'm happy, Marcin that you - a young Polish man, I presume - can see clearly what Canada is really like and stand up to the racist scum insulting you and your nationality. Don't let your experiences fade away without trace; note them down, and maybe in the future you can share them with people in Poland, e.g. in an article or even a book form? As you must know, many Poles in Poland (totally mistakenly) regard Canada as a Poland-friendly, great, hospitable land. It's high time to open their eyes wide, don't you think? Otherwise, you can pass your notes on me; I'd be immensely interested in them. If you dislike Canada and its xenophobic and Polonophobic stink so much, why don't you try to transfer your courses to some decent country, where you will be respected as a Pole? Why don't you advise your fellow Polish students to try to do exactly the same? Besides, as you have probably noticed already, Canadian universities are crap. Why spend your money on this crap, and why suffer, Marcin?

Pozdrawiam serdecznie (heartfelt greetings).

- Then why are you responding, kosher troll-impostor?
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it is a shocking video.sorr i didn't have time to read through the whole thread but has anyone tried to translate of what this man said?
firstly he appears in the door,noticeably disstreased,heavily breathing.he grabes the chair and i tlooks as though as he tries to stop the door from closing.he says;i am gonna ******* break this door(remember he's been waiting 10 hours in the arrival area).he repeats it a few times.then he shoutes towards the immigration officers-i'll take you to the court!in the background we can hear people say-he speaks russian. after 10 hours they still don't know what language he speaks!when the police arrives he(i think it was him,correct me if i am wrong) shoutes-Policja,policja!he actually thinks that they will help him!we can see the police try to speak to him and then i couldn't see but he shouts-are you crazy?he is stunned. it is a very sad and disstressing video.
i don't agree with puzzler cuz he talks a lot of crap but i can't imagine ,say,a german tourist being treated in such horrible way

- Talking with trolls, Bubba? At last a creature on a comparable intellectual level with you?

What have you got against Serbia? You should rather replace the word 'Serbia' with 'Canada' - it's the latter that is the land of total absurd politically correct censorship.

I suspect censorship is far worse in Canada than in Serbia.

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there is a translation in the links I have provided

ok.thanx miranda.i just came back from work and quickly read a few posts.

The issue here is airport security. It could have happened in any country. The security is very sensitive to any suspicious behaviour that would result in harm to others. Too bad it ended this way.
My condolences to his family and mother who was waiting for her son who never came. Very sad.
I couldn't sleep last night.