Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

how can I prove what I'm saying is true? Should I give you my cousin's phone #? Popieluszko? Mr. Zajac? Get into the history, you'll see proves. Check websites.. What other proves can I give you? I've lived in Poland for some time. Unfortunatelly Poland is very untolerant and I could not stay there anymore. The RCMP act was not intended against the polish guy, it was intended against the person who was cousing disturbance. They did not intend to kill.

the fundamental difference between SS was they intend to kill, with the case of RCMP it was accident.

tome111 I am sorry but you are so ignorant the further discussion with you doeas not make any sense-answer -why did they not use paper spray? 23 sec. decision to kill a man? he was not drunk but even if he was, what if he was sick (crazy) it them gave the reason to kill him? you are so ignorant I am 100% sure you are from Russia or some other strange country. Why do they have clubs????????? do they teach them how to fight? greb someone by the hand???? DID HE HAVE GUN? A NIFE? what is wrong with you

Good stuff. The truth is that what goes around, comes around. For years and years and years I used to think that Canada is much better than America (sort of all the good that American culture has to offer, with little bad from it (guns, no universal healthcare, crime level, etc.) and lots of good European influence (French or otherwise. Sounds like a perfect mix, right? But when you come across hundreds upon hundreds or thousands of different post all over the internet on social networking sites, immigration sites, and so on with comments from people who actually live in Canada and TELL YOU HOW BAD IT IS THERE FOR FOREIGNERS then you really have to believe this is more than just a few angry, self-centered, subjective individuals. At one point, your view of the country, its people, its culture changes forever. There sure are nice and selfless people everywhere in the world - rich or poor, including Canada, but again - there is something universal that comes out of these negative stories about Canada time and time again from people who have moved there from all over the world: Asia, Europe, etc. For me this airport incident was the point of "no return". I will try hard to be as open minded toward INDIVIDUAL Canadians as I can be because this is the right way to do things and judge people as individuals, but as far as the "national/universal image" of the country is concerned, you have lost my vote forever. Sorry.....I was going to visit Canada and travel all over the place some day and see the beautiful nature there, PEI, Niagara Falls, etc. but no more. Will never go, never buy anything Canadian, never care about anything Canadian as a whole....there clearly are better place to go. I wish this had never happened.

tome111 when having so many other options 3ss pig friends, guns, clubs, spray-not knowing what is really going on-not knowing if the person is sick etc. within the firs 23 seconds you decide not to use any other means but you 50000volt toy (because you are a piece of shiet lazy SS) you should take into consideration that you may indeed kill a person-- Real SS were german enemy, soldiers-we are talking about elite canadien Police-TO SERVE AND PROTECT not TO KILL AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED

- And I don't give damn what you think or who you are, troll $hit, racist Polonophobe. Why don't you kick the bucket?
:)

To a happy Tomme111!
before you use any weapon you should think-especially being a part of an "elite" police forces

the sad part of it also is that in a week or two everybody forgets abou it and that is it- in Chicago I think it was a year or two ago a drunk police officer killed(ran over a young Polish Girl) everybody was so upset but now I do not even know what happened to him? does anybody?

puzzler-you are Polish and so am I-you must know the song less then zero-that is you
no wonder people trat you like ****** matter where you are you are sick-get some help man

good night tomme111 i think with your way of thinking you could make a good police officer especially in Rio they kill children too- oh, I know the children have stones

puzzler you are **************!

It is quite amazing that mentality of most immigrants focuses on their own agenda instead of the real issue. Even in this case which has nothing to do with your own experiences , this blog is filled with your own personal matters. This crime(no doubt) could happen to any national. Sure, Polish community has developed sense of inferiority that goes deep and wide , however this is not the time to pour this over another peoples tragedy. Get over your selves , and have some respect to those in mourning. Unless you have something to say that is constructive for everybody, I suggest ,choose some other chat room where your whining can be fully received. Too many notes on this blog is simply crude and arrogant. Such level of arrogance leads to plain stupidity. Isn't that the core of the Polish inferiority? I guess, every side has something to work on. So if every one will learn something today and make even a smallest step forward , Robert's death will not be a complete waste.

We're all missing a vital point here. The RCMP incident could not have been instigated by a polonophobic attitude, because they assumed the man was Russian. So they probably hate Russians? Whatever incited them to do this is inexcusible and deploring.

hazel8500.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/pritchard-a-world-citizen

link to comment about Paul Pritchard who shot the video. It is worth mentioning that he gave the video to RCMP right after the accient and had to retrive it with the help of the court order.

I totally agree, this was not a premeditated act against a pole. The events that unfolded and the resulting death was made possible by the total break down of a security system. Questions that should be asked is why;

1. Was he left to wonder around for 10 hours without somebody noticing and offering assistence? (Vancouver Airport Authority)

2. Why after only 23 seconds of confrontation, and him showing passive agression was
he shot. (R.C.M.P.)

3. Where was the medical protocol, dealing with medical emergencies?
(W.C.B., Vancouver Airport Authority, and R.C.M.P.)

4. What happened to the man's mother who was left waiting? Why didn't someone
notice her? How easy is it for people unfamiliar and for that matter familiar with
airports to get information?

5. Since Vancouver is recognized as internatinal airport, and the traffic through the
airport is going to rise dramatically with the advent of the Olympics. Why haven't
signs in different languages been posted offering assistence or direction?

As I mentioned before this has nothing to do with Poles, Panamanians, Peruvians or any other race creed, or color. The was a deplorable act that resulted in the death of a human being, who happened to be a pole, and the questions that this incident posses need to be answered in a clear, concise, and timely manner. Not just for the benifit of this man's family, but for everyone here, all Poles, Canadians, for all people's. And then fix the bloody problem so something like this tragicedy will not happen again.

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- Thanks, Miranda.

What was the deal with the guard (toward the end of the video) on the right side of Robert, it appeared he was using his stick to hit him.

Why? Because it is a 3rd world country trying to pass on paper as something better. If you travel the world, you can see that Canada is simply irrelevant. I don't know what they are so proud of: maple syrup, logs for cabins, fish, 6-month long winters? Give me a break..a few million people taking half the continent. What this incident shows is that the police there have never seen anything international to start with. Since the old school police force is long gone, many young people there have few if any real career opportunities, so all they can do is enslave themselves by higher education and a BS degree in order to get a call center job and spend the next 15 years paying off those loans or they can join some government entity (including the police force) to make a decent living even in the most depressed areas. So, what do you expect from these folks? The North American way of life is more like being able to drive from your home to work, to the mall, to a local school, BBQ three times a week, put cheese in every imaginable dish (and I do like cheese!). The airport police/security know as much about international travelers as I know about biotechnology or brain surgery - nada. To them, if you don't speak English and look White, you're Russian, if you're Asian - you're Chinese, etc. If you throw a chair and a laptop in an empty waiting area in frustration, you are a threat to national security, if you're an Arab, you are a terrorist unless you prove yourself otherwise, if you are Polish, you're stupid, if you don't speak English, your're mentally sick...soon you will need a credit report handy to buy shoes (coming to the store near you!), the mass media report on every possible tragedy in the world to make you feel lucky to have what you have so that you don't get creative and start wanting more...and on and on and on....however, I do give the Canadians an A plus for their marketing skills in managing immigration. They make you believe in long lines, years of waiting, reward point system, etc. so that you feel chosen and special if and when you are able to emigrate there with a Ph.D. to drive a cab.

It is too bad that Mr. Dziekankis's first day in Canada had to end in tragedy. However, it is very clear from the video that the police had to act in the way that they did. There can be no question that he was acting in a violent manner, that he was intoxicated, and that he had in his right hand a large metal stapler that he threatened to throw at the police (this is not speculation, these are the FACTS). After being wrestled to the ground, he continued to struggle and had to be controlled by the four officers in the manner that they did. His death LIKELY occurred as a result of exited delirium and not directly from the taser. Observers of the video need to step back and stop making knee jerk reactions.

Utter rubbish !

,,, the PUZZLER (THAT guy is off the deep end).

Where you're right, you're right

I thought we're discussing an event here. Criticism of RCMP has its justified basis. They are no angels and there have been issues with them long before Dzienkansi's tragedy. However, Puzzler paints a picture of the entire country based on this once incident and, it appears, on his personal failures. That is utter bull, and only (easilly) leads to reposts attempting to paint other countries with a bruch that is way too wide, and that too based on isolated incidents. Other Poles have different experience. I am one of them. Sure, there are problems with some Canadian realities, but is there a country with no such problems?

What Hmmm (above) wrote is important to consider. In the cops' minds they were tasering a Russian, not a Pole, so the allegation of their anti-Polonism is just plain stupid. They may be anti-Polish, but the event doesn't prove it.

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And by the way, he'd cleared Customs and Immigration so technically the RCMP committed this act on a Canadian citizen.

Point well taken , actually you meant 'permanent resident' .

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I thought we're discussing an event here.

Yes, a most tragic one .


Criticism of RCMP has its justified basis.
Indeed , there is more than ample ground for it .


However, Puzzler paints a picture of the entire country based on this once incident and, it appears, on his personal failures. That is utter bull, and only (easilly) leads to reposts attempting to paint other countries with a bruch that is way too wide, and that too based on isolated incidents. Other Poles have different experience. I am one of them. Sure, there are problems with some Canadian realities, but is there a country with no such problems?

Our friend obviously has had a bitter experience , either with a relation or financially - and he could not dig himself out of this psychological hole. I have seen quite a few people like that.
Well , the mental problems of one person should not distract from the thematic as such.
Enough said on this off topic.

What Hmmm (above) wrote is important to consider. In the cops' minds they were tasering a Russian, not a Pole, so the allegation of their anti-Polonism is just plain stupid. They may be anti-Polish, but the event doesn't prove it.

No, that's not quite correct. I'll try to lead you step by step through the mess.Just keep in mind , I,m on your side : it is my considered opinion, that thos four cops committed manslaughter - bat also, that several echelons in the hirachie above them also bear some degrees of guilt.

u say that because u met every polish police officer??

I'm confused [again, you say]

If he had cleared customs. Where was his luggage ? I didn't notice any. And I read that he had problems at baggage reclaim.

Who did the laptop belong to ? It's not something I would leave unattended in an airport.

Just trying to put the pieces together.

lets not go overboard, last couple of times I have been stopped and asked for identification I have been treated with due courtesy by the Polish men in blue.

exactly what is this inferiority?

i think it was a monitor on a desk iof some kind not a laptop. this is a guy who supposedly spent 10 hours wandering around the baggage check area while mumbling to himself and acting weird, although the mounties seemed to use unnecessary force this guy was allegdly deranged and possibly mental..

boo hoo cry my a river

like we need u here anyways

the very fact that polish police officers stop people for identification makes my point nice and clear! they dont do that in Canada.

also, my 2 uncles are cops in poland right now and my dad was a cop and PI when we lived there. I know plenty of stories... they're no angels.. u have good cops and bad cops everywhere