Polish Visitor to Vancouver Canada killed by RCMP TASER on the Airport

OK. thanks.

thanks Dr. for your professional opinion

no but they kill people without hesitation haha what a silly twat you are

discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217789

try this link , and then we can go from there ....

A lot of strong feelings there. Just as there are here. I don't think this [news] story will go away in a hurry.

Robert's Eulogy...

"This is from the postcard Robert sent to his mom, Zofia:

"Ludzie staja sie dobrzy poprzez praktykowanie dobroci, rzadko sie zdarza czlowiek dobry z natury. Dobroc istnieje wcale nie po to by z niej korzystac. Dobroc nie moze wyplywac ze slabosci tylko z potegi." Gliwice, 26/07/2006 Translation of Robert's notes to his mom:

"People become good by doing good; it is rare that a person is good by nature alone.

Goodness does not exist so one can make use of it. Goodness does not flow from a place of weakness but one of power."

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=968afa27-6404-47 18-acb0-1d3ee17656ae

link on excited delirium
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7608386

richmond! what difference does it make if he was Polish, German or Swedish?
Please try to answer why not wait a few more moments to see what he does? he did not have any weapons and there is 4 of SS criminals I would hope well trained- Why not use a spray???? Why not use a club ti hit his legs and jump on him while he is alive????
While on the ground he is not fihting the SS pigs he is fighting(mowing only) the pain try to put your fingers in an outlet and stay calm-why are you so ignorant?
In the moment when th SS pig puls the trigger, the poor guy is standing with his hand up
-what is wrong with you-why dont you ask your ss frinds to taser you and show the world how nicely you lay down without screaming and kicking from pain-why are you even mentioning if he was Polish or whatever what is your point-had they don it to a dog I would be as mad but here we are talking about an innocent, tired guy(you do mot kill people for breaking you computer-do you)who gets killed-cold blood by four lazy, "trainsed" and paid by us SS pigs-who should be there to serve and protect not to kill efore knowing what is going on

I didn't see any posts claming otherwise, that this tragedy could happen only to Polish people. But if you haven't notice, this forum is called polishforums.com, thus one would think that it's understandable that we would talk about polish mans tragedy, innit?

Oh, and you 're so superior when you talk about my inferiority complex. lol :)

As for the "real issue", earlier mentioned by JDK:

Dziekanski behaved like a mentally unstable person. He smashed that laptop, but even during the times of deep communism in Poland, vandalism nor mental illness wasn’t sentenced with death.

Dziekanski wasn't in possession of a knife or any other dangerous object that could be lethal to other people.

There were four RCMP officers - so why using a teaser?

In the last 5 years 16 people in Canada died because being tasered.

The officers didn't perform the first medical help, while he was dying.

In conclusion, the officers behaved very recklessly. Unfortunately it cost a man his life. And this has nothing to do with him being polish.

four f..... heros kneeling down and holding a death man!!!! bravo SS pigs

WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST AID?????????? No ambulance immediately at international Airport??????????? no they had to take a break and time to come up with the same story how dengerous he was etc. FOUR PIECES OF SHIET NOTHING MORE!!!!!!!!

interesting article

but odd that it occurs most often when police are involved....

yes... strange that, ey?

yah, second part in case you missed it
URL

Well , the story itself may linger on for a while , but like so many other outrageous stories , will fizzle away with time.

Additionally , buraucrats will do their usual utmost best to put as much time as possible between the tragic event and the trickling of forming commissions , preliminary reports , prliminary findings , reports etc etc.

And the nearer those things will get toward the Olympics , the less they will rattle some feathers. It will be the usual 'lip service' about the 'unfortunate accident' blah blah blah.

And changes? Don't bet the farm on it.

The singular unsual circumstance in this particular case is simply that the event was filmed. Again as usual , the police started to cover up their misdeeds by spinning some routine yarns about 'danger' , 'being attacked' etc.
Had it not been for the this time working camera , this would have been just an other routine killing of a "crazy Pole who endagered travellers in an international airport".

"And we certainly can't have that , can we?"

'"His own darn fault ... right?"

Mr. Dziekanski's funeral will start in less than two hours in Kamloops.

My heart goes out to the poor poor mother.

I hope those of you who are believers , will pray for her and her only son.

oh...may I add, that there are paramedics on bicycles in the airport. Seen them many a times. The initial reports state that they were not called, but an ambulance was dispatched and arrived 12 minutes later.

Marecki
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richmond! what difference does it make if he was Polish, German or Swedish?
Please try to answer why not wait a few more moments to see what he does? he did not have any weapons and there is 4 of SS criminals I would hope well trained- Why not use a spray???? Why not use a club ti hit his legs and jump on him while he is alive????
While on the ground he is not fihting the SS pigs he is fighting(mowing only) the pain try to put your fingers in an outlet and stay calm-why are you so ignorant?
In the moment when th SS pig puls the trigger, the poor guy is standing with his hand up
-what is wrong with you-why dont you ask your ss frinds to taser you and show the world how nicely you lay down without screaming and kicking from pain-why are you even mentioning if he was Polish or whatever what is your point-had they don it to a dog I would be as mad but here we are talking about an innocent, tired guy(you do mot kill people for breaking you computer-do you)who gets killed-cold blood by four lazy, "trainsed" and paid by us SS pigs-who should be there to serve and protect not to kill efore knowing what is going on

With due respect - you must have something completely misunderstood - I am in principle on your side. Please read through the given link

thanks

You legal folks might like to go to the Taser website and read the PDF

u have that one right..

its hard to know who you can trust ..

"Please stop blaming the taser for the Robert's death. It is not fair to our share prices, and our investors. We will use vast amounts of money to protect our source of taxpayer revenues. It is clear that he was saying "bring it on you scumbag cops, I'll kick your asses", as he continued to fight with the friendly, patient and professional officers who arrived at the scene to assist him."

Propaganda at it's finest.

O.k. it is very clear, that in this whole sad saga everything - from the very beginning of mom's letter to Robert until his being strangled on the ground - went wrong that could have possibly gone wrong - and then some.

If it would not be so awful , one could call it a comedy of errors including the keystone cops.

However it should be noted that under 'normal' circumstances a healthy man could absorb 2 high voltage jolts .
It should also be noted , that 'zapping' people has quickly become the preferred method to 'subdue' *dangerous* people. The beauty of it is of course, that most of the risk of injury for the polieman , even more -woman has been eliminated.

But these were everything but normal circumstances. Trained police 'professionals' on special duty on an international airport are expected to be familiar with and trained for those eventualities.

All those arguments about Robert's irrationality and his due subsequent irrational treatment falls short of the fact , that that is precisely what professional policemen are there for. If they could not handle it any better than you and I , then their existance is superfluous : anybody can shoot a bunch of darts from a few feet into a person.

But Robert was not at his usual best - he was at the lowest point in his whole life : physiologically through that long journey ; nicotin withdrawal ; dehydration and no toilet in sight , also psychologically because he worried about his mom , frustration about the language barrier , almost claustophobia of being coofed in that darn baggage area - and of course ,all that anxiety ; frustration raised his body temperature higher than normal.

It is well known , that musle convulsions also affect the breathing mechanism - for that reason a tazered person is supposed to be held upright. If he is down on the floor , gasps for air and cops press an arm or a knee against the neck , then of course whatever little breathing passage there was , gets 'choked off' .

Heat , exited mental state and physical choking did Robert in. I lay the blame squarely not only at the cops but also at the border officers responsible for surveillance of the airport grounds .

That the cops did not seriously try to resoucitate Robert is an other chink in their armour.

Oh , reading through some comments , you people seem to watch too much t.v.

To 'serve & protect' is nothing but a hollow p.r. slogan that has no bearing whatsoever on the mandate of the police forces in B.C.

The police do not interprete their duty as to prevent crime/disorderly/illegal behaviour. They are only there to investigate crime and then also only the more serious ones , also attend to traffic accidents and collect money via speed traps.

They may , after many questions and a lot of humming and hoing , send an officer by , but even that only when the complainer clearly states he/she fears for his/her life. Domestic situation with kids involved will get some attention .

I live and work in Richmond , near the intern airport in fact , I know first and second hand some not very pretty stories.

Having said that , there are some great officers too - unfortunately , dealing with cops in my area is sometimes a little bit like playing Russion Roulette ......

- Sure, 'the Polish community' is to blame for Polonophobia in Canada. Have you ever heard the expression 'blaming the victim,' creep? As for the respect for 'those in mourning,' your post shows how 'respectful' you are towards them. So you call Mr Dziekanski's family 'another peoples'? Aren't they Polish?

Pretending that those like yourself aren't racist towards Polish people? What a gutless disgusting hypocrite.

The nut is, that the RCMP guys and the Airport authority were very incompetent.

Let us put aside all the racial issues, prejudices, and ignorance at the moment.

The Pole was frustrated, for God's sake, and I would be very much pissed off if I was staying there for 10 hrs without any good reason, and nobody is telling me anything.

The authority may have thought that he may become another illegal immigrant; a possible aussmption. Yet instead of trying to find his true intentions, they simply let him rot there. it seems that they had convieniently forgotten about him, untill he began to throw things around. The incompetence of the Airport authoirty, to deal with such situation, must have irritated the Pole.

Let us think about a very similar situation - someone have invited you to his/her home, and then in front of the doorstep, he/she does not respond to your knocks (and you are stuck there, for 10hrs - will you not be really mad, and what will you do?

As for the RCMP - their actions were very much incompetent also. To me, they did not try to see what is going on - rather, they sought to 'kill-off' the racket (and they did).

If they had any sense of prfessionalism (in dealing with foreigners like him) they may have tried more different approaches, like body languages to understand his problems - my conclusion is that, they did not know what to do in that situation, so they tasered him to shut him up first. This is more like 'Shoot first, and ask questions later.'

This incident is very much tradgic, and an embarassment for Canada.

Don't go to Canada. Canadian policemen don't respect for those who can't speak English well or look like coming from the sphere of minorities. This is one of the example and it is just a tip of iceberg. There are tons of nice places to live (for emigration), work or travel.

As a Hong Konger, I suggest that you had better go to Hong Kong. Policemen/custom officers are well very well trained and they treat foreigners very nicely. As a Pole, they surely get a royal treatment for sure in Hong Kong.

IF SOMEONE COULD DO ME A FAVOR PLEASE! LETS DO SOMETHING IF SOMEONE KNOW HOW TO AND COULS SET A WEBSITE WHER WE COULD COLLECT AS MANY SIGNATURES AS POSSIBLE AND THEN SEND ONE REQUEST TO THE CANADIAN GOVERMANT-
1. REQUESTING THAT PUBLIC WILL BE INFORMED WHAT HAPPEND TO THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO KILLED HIM!
2. SEND A REQUEST TO TASER COMPANY REQUESTING THAT THEY TAKE BACK IN MAJOR NEWSPAPERS WHAT ALL LIES ""Please stop blaming the taser for the Robert's death. It is not fair to our share prices, and our investors. We will use vast amounts of money to protect our source of taxpayer revenues. It is clear that he was saying "bring it on you scumbag cops, I'll kick your asses", as he continued to fight with the friendly, patient and professional officers who arrived at the scene to assist him."

"it is clear he was saying bring it on you scumbag cops, I will kick your asses" he said only policja. as far as he continued to fight with friendly....... officers First the frindly officers did not even gave him a chance to raise his hands secon he was fighting nothing but the payn

does anyone nows how to do it so we can start the international campaign and collect thousends of "signatures" names?
what do you think-mayby we can make a difference

there are plenty of sites for online petitions
google

could you give me one please

i heard Facebook has something going