Any polish women who are married to muslim people?

There is a saying in London ,If it not polish girls we would still fu...k sheep on pastures
I love polish bi...es
Ersin
Jak se masz

I've never heard that saying. Which are you? Muslim or British or both?

Aisha is wrong, a Muslim man can marry a Christian ( Catholic, Protestant whatever ) and Jew woman. I don't want to get involved in this childish rubbish but I would do like to say that when it comes to marriage, love, relationship and feelings, its just an individual matter. Yes I understand and I admit, the culture in many muslim countries is kind of anti-woman but I say again, its Culture of the country not the Muslim Culture !
oh God, I am getting into this nonsense debate...bye !!

subject quiet old but let me say something... just few second as i rode yet older topic 'why polish womans wants so much arab mans' -something like that, where i many persons express their opinion in deferents way,ones of them said "because of money" - no way no nowadays.. problems is in polish/europeans ( i dont want offend no of them) mans.From many years many people are wonder at this even Arabs alone..(like in this book of|"Les Boucs" of moroccan poetry Driss Chraibi) Why (for example in Poland) even this this the worst Arab is often better than the best Pole?? maybe of way how he treat them/us. Even this woman dont care abaut him and isnt interesting his paition and consequence makes miracle!
Here other question why so many polish womans decide to be in relationship/get marry to a (for example) Egyptians waiters from |Sharm El Sheikh,Hurghada or other turistuc places and why even she is aware deferents culture, often objection family friends ( becuase of this terrible arab love story from crazy books or cheap newspapers) , even they this Egyptian isnt enough educated -why she is decide be with him ? saunds crazy - Evry of these womans is often very wise, educated,healthy, young beautiful woman and why on her own lands here in Poland she will never lost even 1 second to care abaut that man but ,there they get dizzy, what abaut arab immigrants - woman are often aware their future with Arab ( who often at that moments havent too much to offer her except his love ..
Mybe here is problems there sweet words, fast decizion of marriage from Arab side even ( first ignored by woman) in the and makes it works... In Poland ,Europ in this so free culture mans running away from responsibilty, they first thinking abaut theirselfs - that sad .. u know one my polish friends on question "Why Arabs?" said: I had enough, after 3 long years of relationship i softly asked my boyfriend abaut marry , he was suprise and pls to give him yet 1 years to wonder"'.If he after 3 years dont know what he wants-yet the same day she packed his bags and finish this "love"
Arabic mans isnt afraid this responisbilties he want creature family, and all womans need it , feel save, we need to know that is someone who is more strong than us on who we can caunt.. Europeans mans make womans respniblty from everything: work, home, baby, clean, cook etc


ok im finishing ... How i said i dont want offend nobody,not all mans from europ are like i wrote and not Arabs are so great. All we are just people!

what anti-Polish garbage are you spewing out of your mouth?

I didnt write it to show how bad are polish or generally europeans males, but i wrote show not all womans who marry arabs are BAD.. I see how some mans treat polish womans marring arab.

I saidI WASNT WANT OFFEND nobody!! If u r looking for reazon to argument its ur problem.. IM NOT ANTI-POLISH i m writing what i see

(if somewone creatured that topic it mean someone is interesting abaut this)
Pozdrawiam

Quoting* istatu or whatever your silly western name is

yeah,thats disengenuous BS aswell,trust me,plenty of pakistani s live around here, Drink beer,sleep around with white girls,generely act like everyone else does at a young age..
Around family though they are good little Muslimsand 99% of the time end up married off to another muslim,The focus of all that is not "respect" its fear,fear of what some evil men will do and fear your family may murder you,that doesnt stop them cheating on their wife though,no ,they go off and sleep with a non beliver.....and who the hell are you to judge our culture in such a negative way? Yes we have freedom to do what we want,and shock horror,so do women,so what,suppose its better that women are covered head to toe in cloth then?why is that,because your culture and men are too imature to see a bit of flesh? The attitude of many muslims stinks,cheapen the name of white girls and batter your own girls,pity help one who wants a little freedom,her own brother/father/uncle is likely to stab her to death for family "honor", when your "religion" moves out of the 9th century I might accept your critisism of the west,but all in all,look what the west has given to the world then look what the east has contributed...and dont give me any of that crap about arab scholors being geniuses in the middle ages,they just translated the greko roman texts from alexandia library.

i lived in the west fir 30 years why is it when your in any western club scene on friday or saturday night the white men who are so gentle and christian start slagging of the white woman calling them slags slappers dappers dollar hous hot totty durty botty ect ect why is it that whte men only see the skin on a woman whats the culkture about white relationships are based on sex the more the man gets the more the woman gives thoght when one has enuff the relation ship falls to bits the women all get desperate have affairs the men sleep whith whoever they want and blame the drink espana your just some lo life lo class village girl so i aint even going to bother whith yor comments why is it 99 percent of the cells are full in the uk on a friday and saturday night whith white people for beating there women up supposadly cuss they was pissed! why is it when a woman wears a lil skurt in england shes called a slag by the white builder who is down theroad bricking up soe sewer and your telling us that weare fuced up as for the roman texts what the hell are you on about you idiot exactly like the white man falsly told the whole world and made em belive that men went to the moon you people are full of cow crap every big nation fell read the skriptures whether its the Holy Quran the Bible the gospel the guru grant they all have storys of great nations meeting there demise what happened to noas people the the people of Aad and Lut what happened to the people of mohengho dioro the myans the astectz the eygeptians and soon the Amerikans every Nation that sawitself as great fell exactly like the west will there are two unions at the moment the united states and the eu what they going to do battle it out or join forces well since the protastants the roman chatliks the church of england johovaswitnesses ect ect ect all have different idias on a religion that is basically based on one book have different idias i cant see that hapening the bloody ira proved my point still are even thoght the media have put a blank on reporting about ulster and its so called liberation armys>.

Stop the grouping..

Too many of the children/mentally-deficient on this board seem to believe that race == culture. It does not.

Adoption of cultural norms varies across a population. In fact I may I be as bold as to suggest this variation manifests itself in every nation.

Consider that fact that in every country you have those that embrace the system and those that fight against it. This, even though they are (in the main) of the same race. Even considering the lessons of history, was in not ever thus?

People are people.. Yes overlaid by a veneer of culture, but proponents of norms/attributes/values such as respect, thinking for yourself, common concern, right and wrong etc etc are to be found everywhere..

just my six pennies worth i think the whole Muslim world dosen't have a clue how to treat women correctly in fact more often than not they abuse and oppress them. Why any non-Muslim lady would want to marry a Muslim is well beyond me

Word Tornado.

So Mr. T... Does every person who is of a race where the predominant religion is Islam "not know how to treat women"?

Did you miss my point above, where I state that in every country there are those that fight against the prevailing norms? or was it too subtle for you?

(p.s. I know it takes some time for some minds to alter their worldview and that this is sometimes a painful process. Dont worry you will feel better for it afterwards. Just the facts, logic and reason please. (ahem!) Word! )

IdW, the fact is Islam is not an equal rights religion, If you dont believe me go to afganistan and tell the woman who try to commit suicide by burning themselves to escape Their "Norm". Thats a FACT, logically that would tell us there is something wrong. Women who speak out about equal rights are belittled and laughed at, FACT.

One does not need a narrowmind to see it for what it is...

Do not try and make excuses for your cultures poor treatment of women, Islam is hardly into equal rights now is it. If somebody wanted to change what you call the 'norm' it would be outside of the religion, therefore probably discounted by those nations who declare themselves 'Islamic' :)

I am not talking about the religion as historically I suppose Christians have been more "evil/destructive" in global terms.

I am talking about the individuals.. Please answer the question..

Did you know there were hundreds of thousands of abortions in the UK last year. I offer no opinion on the rights of wrong of that but many, religious people, would consider those acts of murder and a denigration of the female body/role. The fact that this happened did even raise a peep in the local media. Who knows what Afghanis think about that? Even "god" (if he exists) for that matter?

Does that make all people in the UK "evil". No.. because even if you subscribe to the opinion that it is a "evil act" there are many Brits who fight against it. The same is true in Afghanistan.

Dont let the prism of your local "culture/worldview" warp your view of others. You do not deserve to be prejudged due to the the actions of others in your "community". As a logical, (moral, as you infer) person as a minimum you should be diligent in affording that right to others.

Its a lot of work not to group and sadly most people are not capable of it.

p.s. I would say more "Simple" than "Narrow"

I am not Islamic..

Like I said simple minded..

Just answer the question..

As (by your logic) we are permitted to group people together, are you indicative of the standard of education in Poland?

You might also want to refer to the following before you reply..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument
"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted."

They might help!

p.s. Word! lol

looks like your pretty simple minded too :) i'm not Polish :)

so there is no need to answer your question because it does not have any relation with me :)

p.s. funny lol

No problem with that.. I dont have anything against Polish people or any other racial group for that matter.

I do however have a problem with "non-sequitur spouting, illogical idiots", and although I lack sufficient evidence to make a judgment in your case, the evidence thus far seems to suggest that you might be one.

1. Did you read the links?

2. Dont worry I will be around to put you in your place should you spout more ill-founded nonsense.

3. Answer the question.. (whoops! we have done that one already havent we)

4. Word!

You may or may not have noticed. I am not an adolescent and Im quite well informed.

You will have to (as they say) "up your game" if you wish to avoid further public deconstruction and humiliation.

p.s. Word!

obviously you think your a hot shot, fair enough i'l let you run away with that. If you were that educated and so far above me then you wouldn't continue with the 'word' jibe which to be honest is what you would expect in the third year at school :)

As for you trying to be little me i will also let you carry on trying to do that, if you were that confident you wouldn't be continually jibing at me because your far superior brain should be able to do the job on its own.



I can assume this is the question your talking about. Well my answer is yes, any culture, race, religion that allows the stoning to death of woman obviously does not know how to treat a fellow human being let alone women. usually you will find that a woman is stoned to death because she has been accused (not actually found guilty) of adulatory. You think that is treating women correctly??

here is an example of the great profit himself:
Mohammed's favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when she was married to him.

I think that is called pedophilia isn't it??

A quote from the great book of Islam itself:

IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them.

what kind of treatment is that towards women.

then we can go onto how the religion of Islam oppresses woman, for example:

# If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the right to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody to enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)
# It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
# A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father
# A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
# She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
# A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
# If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
# If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
# The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)
# A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440)
On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will.
# Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
# If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
# Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)
# A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to practise birth control either

These are clear written documents worshiped by those who follow the religion of Islam is it any wonder they don't know how to treat women???

I will leave it there or the post will get to long. Maybe in your next reply you could try and be a little more mature in writting your replies to me like any mature adult would. Thank you

T

Thanks for the reply..

Just to make sure that I have understood you correctly are you saying that every person (of the majority race) within a country is individually responsible for the actions of that country?

Please do one of the following to help avoid ambiguity.

1. State Yes
2. State No
3. Correct or replace my statement above with an equally succinct one.

Thanks for your co-operation

I don't think that you can base this on an individual, but the actions of the majority speaks for everyone.

thats ok any time.


yes i do, a nation is judged on the actions of the majority, whether rightly or wrongly this is what happens

Thanks

As it seems you have taken option 3, does that mean that the individual can/should be punished (sans "habeas corpus" without "primae facia" evidence) for the actions of the majority?

Absolutely not, but it can't be avoided either. Not everyone has these views and are quick to point the finger at the first :) This is normal. Just like we in America suffer for GW's idiocity.

It was just my 2 cents :)

sorry for butting in however were a bit of track, i was stating that i think the Muslim/islamic world does not know how to treat women, nothing about punishing, who is responsible for a country etc.

I just want to know why you think that Muslim/Islam does not mistreat women??

1. Not "is".. I am not asking what happens.. I am talking about should (i.e. morally justifiable in your opinion). * assuming you ascribe to some notion of morality

So in your world one person (based on the loose definition of race) should be randomly punished for the crimes of any other individual within that grouping?

If we (as an ill thought out example) consider the situation where you and I are of the same race. Despite the fact that we hold totally different views on the matter you seem to be suggesting that should you be found guilty of a "xenophobic crime" against someone who is Islamic on the basis that they hold this faith, it is morally fair and proper than I be punished in your stead despite the fact that I have done my fair best to expound the virtues of tolerance (as far as the law permits).

I hope the failure in logic in what you say it now apparent.

Habeas Corpus is there for a reason. It is one of the pillars of basic human law and for that matter practically every religion.

p.s. I am not suggesting that you would/could commit such an act. Its just an example.

To randomly punish people for the actions of others (which they could do nothing about and may in fact themselves be fighting) is an obvious nonsense.

no the whole group should be outed for the way they treat women, that group being Muslim/Islam. I'm not into punishing one person in a group, i'm on about a whole religion (not individuals) it dosen't matter to me what nation there in.


but you've totally turned away from what i said in the first place!!!!! i was saying i believe that Muslim/Islamic men don't know how to treat women, if they follow Islam, then they follow and read the books of the Islamic religion, which promote and teach the mis-treatment of women. I'm not questioning individuals i'm questioning a religion or culture not individuals.


yes of course, i think we have misunderstood each other, my quarrel is with Religion while you think i want to persecute or punish individuals which is not the case.

I'm a big fan of religion being lost in the process of time so that all human life can have one less 'element' to separate them from one annother.

thanks for talking and discussing in an adult manner, sometimes its difficult to find that on this forum, sorry for the mis understanding and i hope you realise what my point was.

thanks

T

Thanks

As it seems you have taken option 3, does that mean that the individual can/should be punished (sans "habeas corpus" without "primae facia" evidence) for the actions of the majority?

Because (getting back on topic as the arc closes) Polish Women do not marry the "Muslim World". They marry people

It is irrelevant what the Muslim World does. It is more important what the person the "Polish Girl" marries does.

Ironically you need to consider the fact that those who you affect most by your sweeping judgments are not those who willfully mistreat women (as they, as in most cultures, will have a variety of opinions wrt your comments which center on ambivalence). The ones who will be most bothered by your comments are those Muslims who fight for the rights of women. Your actions punish those most who agree with you..

As a great man once said "beware the media et al. they will have you hating the oppressed and loving the oppressors"

Think about it!

i have thought about it a lot, your right about the individual polish woman or Muslim guy, i agree, people are individual.

What i mean is that the way the religion views women is wrong and should be condemned for doing so. Everything else in modern society that has a radical point of view is broken up straight away. For example the BNP (I agree that the BNP are wrong) but to help my point , the racist views of this so called political party are some what controlled by the government or law, however in the case of Islam, it seems the mistreatment of women is above the law!!!!

What i'm saying is just because its a religion people are scared to condemn it or even fail to see it as an acceptable group in modern society.

I suppose so.. Buts thats another topic..

A word on the topic if I may.

If we however substitute the term "Religion" for "Belief System" (which is what it is) we can then compare the relative merits of the beliefs within the systems and the legacy of results produced by them.

A superficial examination of provable manifestations of Belief Systems in terms of what they promote and the results of their actions would suggest that the Muslims should not be the main targets of your (probably justified) ire.

Religion is just part of a World View and (contrary to what some will tell you) every cognizant human on earth has a belief system.