polish women and muslim men

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Are you referring to how they are seen in the Western world? Or where it is most common? I beg to differ. Every other religion, including Christianity in the Muslim world is sometimes seen as "bad." Don't you question why it is so? Islam is seen through the actions of its followers, and many religious fanatics are not presenting a good image for the West.

hi this is from me dianne i know i said somewhere that i was not coming back to this forum .... but i did so anyway,thankyou worklink for the encoaraging words and i will stay with what i believe to be true especailly for me, inshallah....... i also just want to say that it was of my own free choice no one influenced my decision except Allah my god my only focus in on him for everything even who i marry or what ever happens in my life i want to please and obey Allah ...which for me i will follow and obey my husband,and i will wear the hajib,lower my gaze and cover my self for modesty all for Allah ,not just my husband...my husband will be a big part of my life but we together will follow what our God asks of us and believe he my husabnd is a true muslim .

Good lord woman! Come back! You shall lower you're gaze, and wear a damned hijab over your face! Remember, you won't have a say whatsoever against your husband. What a waste, sheer waste of a young woman...

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couldn't have said it better myself! another young Polish woman, being dragged back to the desert. a pity

indeed:(

are you sure?

it's always like that.a muslim man finds a non muslim woman.he's caring lovely ect.one day he says;marry me .i love u to bits but we can't be together unless you become muslim...this is when big A comes upon you..................so on

Sorry didn't see your question.
I'm glad you asked - really.

You probably noticed that all major religions are talking almost the same - you live, you die, the Day of Judgement and then some get a LIFE and some get a .... you know what.

That's because everything coming from the one source. Long story - but every Book that was sent to people is continuing the one sent before and cancel some aspects given before. It's considered (and it's said) that Quran is the last Book which is sent. You don't have to believe it - just trying to give an insight here. But as for Quran - some surah in it has very clear meaning, some - remains as a mistery. Some became clear only nowdays, with our science discoveries - like describing what's happening inside the womb - how new baby is forming etc.

About life after death -
A lot is written about it, but one thing known for sure, is that it will be something, like (don't know the right word) - like test. Every religions say the same - exept some, that say like you're already forgiven - many people are misleaded by these words. In the long run, after all - everything will be fine, no?:)
In Islam, when you die, and get under the ground, you will be asked some questions by 2 angels, who will be there immediately. What happens next depend on what you answer them. Then it will be many and many of challenges - so you'd be better prepaired:) In Islam - you will get all your good deeds and all your evil (note that some deeds that we consider as good - not is going to be considered good at all), and tiny thing that we done once could weigh a lot - we just don't know. And nobody knows wether you will be considered as GOOD GUY or vise versa - in Islam you are judged by your intentions, not a deed just by itself.

As for ladies after death:)))
You know, actually many muslims are stunned with this - why, is it sex what are promised as something like a gift for those who is going to be in Heaven? Of course not.

We don't know - nobody knows, no human being is able to concieve that. We are created and we promised something that will overrate ANY of human being thoughts. Why gurias are chosen to descibe it - again, a mistery. Say - in many places in Quran to describe how beautiful it will be there, images of gardens, shadows and cool rivers used to attract our attention. You know something more beautiful in this world? Not a gardens like we have in a cities or parks:) For me, if I live in a place like this with one I love will be the most rewarding.

As yeras go by, you will feel that for every word, for every body moovement - for every tiniest thing we will bear responsibility - some day. Not in this life probably. But we sure will.
Or maybe you won't feel that - I don't know.


And concerning hidjab - it's just a very cool scarf - some women wears only a piece of cloth to cover the hair. Some ladies like when men staring at them, some are not. Some of them want only her husband to be the only man she could give all her beauty to.

And who told you they don't arguing with their husbands?:) Stereotypes... Believe me - they are as normal as you, but they believe in God and trying to follow the road that leads to happiness in this life and beyond. Nothing in this world can be more important for them. And for me, this is wonderful.

maybe she's really ugly in which case the hijab is a wonderful thing..

I uderstand that your joking - or you just don't know what are you talking about.
Hidjab won't save your ugliness, thing you're talking about is called nicab (or nikab).
Never mind:)

Tell me why all these good mulsim men want to marry none muslims? and why unlike most religions are people forced to convert?

As for my ugliness, I do just fine thanks and I dont need someone to tell me about modesty, its been practiced for many many years by women who are brought up well.

From what I know every muslim is happy to have a muslim wife. That's why many of them (and that's disgusting) have a romance with non-muslims but when it comes to marriage - marry muslim girl. Terrible thing - but happens very often.
When this is true love, it's ok, they are allowed to marry Christians or whoever believe.
As for forcing to be converted - stereotypes again. Think it came from times when arabs had wars with "non-believers" - those who were not muslims had a right to live in muslim country only if he 1) pays some money (like taxes) 2) or convert to Islam.

BUT - it says in a Muslim's Holy Book that - No forcing in religion. No one shall be forced when it comes to religion. This is against God.
People may talk different - but people are people, some of them didn't even read Quran but have their own meanings on everything.

I arrest my case, muslim men on the whole are hypocrites, a man will sleep about but a woman is not even allowed to be in the company of another man if he is not a relative? or she faces being punished.

As for the quran there is nothing holy about that book it is full of lies and hate..

who told you that? Everybody is equal regarding this. Many girls in UAE take in the eve their hijabs off and hit disco. By their religion they are not allowed to do so. Men and women who cheat on their wives/husband don't allowed doing this either - and by Islamic laws could be sentenced to death for that. Doesn't matter - man or woman.
But that doesn't mean that a man or a woman who living in non-islamic countries are following what their religion told them - why! they are Muslims! - but this depends on their believing. If you believe, it's obvious taht you won't do this. If you don't believe - why call yourself a muslim? Because you were born in Islamic country? But that doesn't make yourself the one who submissed to God, who loves God and who trying to follow what the God set up for those who believe.


One simple thing - and I think this is very hard to understand for those who blame Islam - this is for those who believe in God. Ok, you say, I believe in Christ - what's the difference?! Huge difference. Or some people here may say - ok, but we have so many Gods - what is the difference in which of them we will be believing? Or like my mom is saying - but I'm going to Church, I know the God is only one, but I don't think about why all these saints and why we are asking them to help instead of God - this is the way we are taught - that's it. End of story. Oh - you converted to Islam?! You have to be crazy! They are bomb innocents, don't ya know? - I'm sorry, I have my life and you have yours - yopu have a right to live it the way you want it. So do I.

You blame a man killed her daughter for not wearing hidjab? This man is a real bastard and a murderer - but how this is connected to Islam?! Because he is a Muslim?! Who said so? He said, right? Ok - where in Quran is written that women has to wear hidjab? In case you don't know - you will never find it! What you will find that women has to hide their Beauty from other men eyes - that's it! And it's arguable til nowdays - does it mean to cover hair or face or just earings! You guys are just don't know the subject - but this is so cool, right?


Sorry if hurt somebody's feelings. Keep talking.

hi

i hope to u happy life with your husband and to tall u that your are not alon there is lots of girls like u in there and they are happy with there lifes so good for you and i love islam too and i love my life i'm free and i can do what every i want in my own life so i think islam is the best thing can every happy to you

but i feel sorry for who can't understand the really islam not the one in tv or newspaper ..ect there is few people who know it very will and when you see them u know the real meaning of life

after all every one is free with there life and what they want to do with it and where they fell happy so i hope that every one fell like that

So women are not free to do whatever they like, they must remain covered or face punishment, because of something a "man" made up.....Its okay for muslim men to dress in westernised clothes though isn’t it?



Nice law :) - again violence!

The Koran was written after the bible and the Torah. - it's a poor imitation and not consistent, it’s a religion that has gone mad and now represents death and threats to us infidels - you try so hard to convince people how good you are but only today there were circa. 70 people killed in various muslim countries all killed by suicide bombers, you think us in the west want people like that in our countries…no.



Why use the word muslim so much - I don’t go around telling the whole world that I’m a catholic, you lot have a chip on your shoulder and are in the main angry at the world because in general muslim countries are poor and under developed, I wonder why? maybe if you took more time to understand that life is not about imposing martial law and going around checking if women are wearing the correct attire, you might, I say just might move on and become part of the world and not be despised and treated with suspicion

and good Christians shouldnt kiss before mariage ... ;)

All right - everybody free to think whatever they think.
If you think that some rules was "made up" by man - this is your choice.
If you think that Quran was written - up to you. If you think it's not the same God who gave Torah, then Bible, then Quran - up to you again.

If you think it's all about going around checking women dress - I really can't help it.
As a saying goes - you have your life, we have ours. Everybody choose what is best for him. You chose your life. For me and for many others Islam is the only thing that have answers for my questions. Thanks God I was curious enough and went beyond these ordinary "islam thoughts' on my time. Ordinary always lays on the surface.
Thanks for discussion!

And this is the point, Isn't it ?

A muslim woman is not free to choose what is best for her.

ShelleyS , why is it u that is always trying to find flaws in islam, tough luck but u wont, cuz everything has a reason and a well reason too.
Before condeming why muslim men let their women cover their hair, havent u thought why u dont cover urz? why nuns cover their hair? Isnt that part of ur religion? Why dont u follow it? Isnt fornication and having relations before marriage is forbiddenin christianity? well it is.

Is Terrorism Tied To Christian Sect?[

Christian Terrorism is mentioned on the internet

A non muslim killing his daughter , and its not for hijab

another suicide

I think this is enough, people are people wherever they are.

Here is the prophets biography read it .

Also here is a link to the quran , read it before just throwing questions you just heard from some1, try to be positive in your life.

Not all orders do - like I have said time moves on :) but for those that do, they have chosen to do this, it is not forced on them it is also man made it wasn't written in the bible that nuns shall ware the habbit and head gear :) they also wear a wedding ring, because they are married to god....its a life time committment, nothing any mulim woman would know because they are not able to go in to any religious order.....



I have found many flaws in islam, the interpretations that you muslim put on islam is that its a controlling barbaric and heathen religioin with no place in modern society.



Again modern society understand that times have changed and the church isnt going to check if you have been get down and dirty before that ring goes on a ya finger :)

Now if you dont mind, Im going home to have a nice pork chop and a glass of red wine :)

:) Shelley, but you are being very naughty, aren't you?

Bellzili, do us all a favour, and just stop posting messages. It is a useless discussion.

Heyy it's Hana, I'm back! I know 90% of people are like "DON'T COME BACK", but I have something to say, and so be it.

I'm wondering if it is verrryyy different being muslim from a muslim country and being muslim from america. Do you think your muslim brothers and sisters here in America, drinking, dating, and still praying are not true muslims? Are they infidels??

My muslim girl friends don't wear hijabs. They date (muslim and non-muslim boys). They are still wayyy more modest than my muslim guy friends who party, date, sleep around, drink, ect ect, anything goes (okay I'm exagerrating... I'm not saying they'd end up on girls gone wild, or something totally reckless lol) Yet they all fast, pray, and end up marrying a muslim. Like the comedian Ahmed Ahmed said "You know someone is a muslim if they drink, gamble, and have sex.... but don't eat pork!"



However, like the guys that go down in airplanes hoping to go to be greeted with however many virgins, the people that convert to Islam are usually soooo in your face crazy!! Like as if once you convert, that's it! your life eveolves around allah and you'll never have fun again (or actually, your idea of fun will be praying and preaching). And you'll hate on everyone non-muslim, you'll see all your past friends and family as infidels, and move on to this all new life you set out to live. The fine taste of cabernet will only be a slight and forbidden memory... your sexual fantasies will be repressed and touching held off until marriage... ect ect, I have known very few muslims (like one or two) that actually live this perfect life according to the qu'ran, and it was of course an Egyptian guy (kudos to him for now falling into American temptations!) and a converted girl...

KAY... so my point is kind of that there are varying degrees of islam (as any religion...), there are some devout muslims that go by the book word for word, spiritual muslims (sufis), some extream ones that brainwash good polish girls, the converted suddenly god-fearing ones, and some that are like the equivilant to christians who celebrate christmas for the fun of getting presents.

*Hana*

this video is wonderful :D

What a fun video! Thanks for posting it.

Ignorance breeds everywhere I see!

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