polish women and muslim men

I'm a bit confused Grzegorz!
Am I wrong in thinking....
No freedom of choice in Catholicism??

Of course there is the freedom of choice but people have to bear the consequences.

Will Jesus face them for not being one?

What consequences?
I'm intrigued...will my GF be in any danger?

i think Holy Father is not exactly the One who will decide.
all of people are god's children,therefore all have same rights before him.ok maybe some have privileges.
and i'm not happy that my puppy won't go to Heaven with me.

My cat is going whether I have to smuggle her under the gates or not.

You think your cat has commited no sins?

Would anybody get in on that policy?

all babies that died during births were officially condemned to Purgatory,by official Church.few months ago Pope changed that.
what about babies in a last few centuries that died?
that's not fair.I think God is above that,he already provided a place in Heaven for them long ago.but i'm dissapointed that Vatican didn't recognized that from the beginning.

Cats never fell from grace, so they can just do what they want.
A bit like donkeys.

I heard about that. Here is a good piece discussing this issue: Irrational belief won't go out on a limbo. A quote:


Completely cynical about the third world and infant mortality, but there may be something in it. Who knows -- by stripping away some of the more obviously preposterous tenets they may find their numbers of devotees actually go up.

There was a heartrending programme on Radio 4 a few months ago on this issue: Limbo Babies. A Catholic mother who lost three babies asked: "How can this ever-loving God banish an innocent baby into limbo?" Ah, but according to the church, the baby was not innocent, thanks to the inhuman doctrine of original sin.

True religious belief will always be with us. It doesn’t just satisfy the deep human desire, belief could even be an evolutionary construct. More than anything, religion gives one a sense of community, people coming together to celebrate and mourn at intervals in their lives.

Suicide bomb DVD for children :) Its been made by muslims, now try and tell me that muslims are peaceful, loving, caring people!



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Is this DVD for real???

ok i tell you, muslims are peaceful, loving, caring people :P
but these bombers are not muslims, they are simply not, just accept. they can call theirselves muslim but they can't be after all. as it doesn't make you a devil what the things hitler or bush done because of being in same religion, this doesn't make muslims bad people.
damn how can't you see this? i suppose you are kidding :P

Useless. Some people prefer not to see and accept things even when they see them clear. It's written in Quran about it but still I find it hard to believe that people are like that.

Oh but they are, they are quite open that they do it in the name of religion and that we (the infidels) are to be punished....



Seems clear enough to me that there is a dvd being sold that promotes suicide bombings...



Yes it is.

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At long last the government are going to do something :)))))))))))))))))

I though the Pope was infallible.

Only in certain circumstances, supposedly. See Papal infallibility. From the section, Instances of papal infallibility:


I'm sure any list of infallible papal statements issued by the Vatican will not include any that contradict each other!

You have to know that no one who makes an attempt to kill innocents (or kill) in no circumstances can be a muslim.
And something else for you to note - in Quran, which has to be followed by any muslim, is written that
If you kill a man, it equals if like you kill the whole humankind. And if you saved a life, it equals if like you would saved the whole Humankind also.

Now you can dig to look for DVDs and other examples of apalling "muslim" acts.


You know, actually situation is very familiar - lots of so called "Christians" are very surprised when being said that God restricted them from drawing alive human beings - it is very clearly said in Bible. And yet they still pray to saints portrets (icons). Because some people who decide that they can make new rules did so after Jesus gone. But no one can cancell or change something in what God gave to people. This is people's deviation from the clear written text. But most prefer to follow "the leader" without thinking. And this is what you're doing right now.

Not the protestants.And for some centuries there was great rivalry between people in favour and against the use of icons.

They don't pray to icons. They ask saints to "support" them in front of God.

So does Limbo exist this week or not?


I prefer Yasser Arafat's opinion on all this - "all religious wars are about is who's imaginary friend is better."

In fact they beg Saints to introduce their preys to God.
Islam was developed where the most extremist Christians lived.In Syria,Egypt,Palestine,Arabia the Christians believed that Jesus was God and not human at all.Islam regards Jesus as the main prophet of Allah before Moameth.
The Christians who lived there and later turned to Islam were against any interference of cosmic state with religious affairs as it happened in Vatikan.They wanted a pure religion and when the Christians in Rome and Constantinopol betrayed them and connected religion to state,they turned to Islam which was developed on the basis of their believs.

Agreed.

Dont need to I can just turn on the TV and read about some muslim killing his wife or some woman suicide bomber walking in to a crowed place and taking half the crowd out...



July 7th London bombings?

Having lived in England all my life I understand about terrorism - we had the IRA for many years....you know what, they didnt kill one person the day the Manchester bomb went off - yet it did more damage than the London bombs - you know why because they had a different agenda, it wasnt about taking human life!

muslims just want to murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After all , I think you have great hatred to islam, it may be you have lost some beloved one in these barbaric bombings which islam does not sanction any acts like that, just give urself a chance by reading in the Quran. Or The biography of the prophet
Or just maybe have an overlook about this great book

Today was major bairam (EID) and outside one of the mosques i prayed at had that banner written on it "The Virgin Mary Church congratulates the muslim brothers and the muslim nation on their EID"
So muslims do live with people with other religions in peace then.

Shelleys, you make me laugh!

Oooh, ooooh, it's different! they're muslims! LOL

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/major_killin gs.html

It never did, in my opinion. Ditto Heaven and Hell.


Under what circumstance can an infidel be considered "innocent"? It's a matter of interpretation, isn't it? Along with the silent majority of Muslims, you may accept an inclusive definition of "innocent". The problem is that an influential minority of extremist Muslims hold that no infidel can be considered innocent, and may therefore be killed.


Actually, as I'm sure you're well aware, the Koran qualifies this by specifically excluding those who "murder" or "spread mischief in the land." Other translations use "corruption in the earth" instead of the latter caveat. I'm not familiar with the commentaries on this Sura, or whether it's supposed to apply only to the Jewish tribes in Arabia at the time, but "mischief" seems to allow considerable latitude for extremists. The relevant verses, 5:32-34:

Let's not minimise the Troubles. The IRA killed more than 3000 people over a period of three decades. Nevertheless, there are differences between the IRA and Islamist terrorists. For one, the IRA never sought to conquer Britain, or convert it to Islam. In the words of Osama bin Laden, whose image on t-shirts sells widely in the Muslim world:


Nor (to the best of my knowledge) did the IRA cite Catholic theology to justify its atrocities.