Polls for Poles in the UK

yeah donkeys too :)


no osiol your not stupid enough to lead off into the 'i'm questioning your intelligence or ability to understand something' i hope.


don't particularly want to and don't particularly think voting on foreign land should happen in the way i stated. For all the people saying i'm arguing for arguments sake then why can't we just say know that we can agree to disagree.

No, but I've given you many arguments before in favour of the UK's membership of the EU, but you got stuck on many simple statements I had made, so I'm not going to bother repeating myself.


Just because you don't want to vote, that doesn't mean you should deny the rights of others.

Probably because the simplest things in life are important :) You seem to be able to make a 2 page pull out a 300 page report, i merely cut it down and take out the parts that are simple, therefore important.


I do want to vote, i didn't say i don't, i just wouldn't want to do in another country in a public arena. I'm in somebody else's house doing my business, dosen't sound right does it!!

Are you still harping on about this?

i think osiol just wants to pick at me at the moment so what else am i meant to do keep stum, who me :)

Tornado00000, you don't understand economics, politics, international diplomacy, or when to shut up.


So you would deny the rights of others...

...we've been through this before. PAY ATTENTION.

you don't have a clue what i know and don't know :)


its not about denying the other people, its just i don't want public voting, simple. Its not the people i want to deny its the public voting i don't want. Surely you can see that, in fact i know you can.


I do but when you get two strong minded people this is what happens, i respect our opinion and this is why i don't call you stupid, or tell you to shut up, or say your wrong your wrong your wrong. I don't mind you putting forward points and counter debating my points, but you do exactly what you accuse me off. Yesterday or the day before you accused me of sitting on a high horse, you might want to read your last post and think about what you look like sometimes. I'm not accusing you of sitting on a high horse i'm saying that mayeb you shouldn't cast stones.

I don't think you realise that i have a respect for people that i talk to virtually, well most, those who can talk like adults (of which you are one) however i don't feel i get the same respect back.

You make some of it pretty obvious to this forum.


My horse has steadier legs, and you might notice I'm not always as stubborn as a donkey.
I have principles that will never move, but some of my opinions can change given strong enough facts and good argument. On some matters, I will admit to having no opinion whatsoever - there is nothing wrong with that.


I respect that you can lighten up at times with the same people you have just been arguing with (by that I mean against).
Occasionally, I even agree with you, but quite often I find you continually making a point we have all got, but that you don't seem to pay any attention the arguments made against it.

you can gage what i know but not what i don't after all you cannot read minds.


i totally agree with that


same here


lol


of course i can lighten up but i'm not arguing i'm debating with you. Arguing is over aggressive discussion that is beyond the reasonable, debating is giving your honest opinions on a subject and seeing and commenting on others responses.


hay don't think htis is one way, i also agree with you,
i do read all the arguments against me, however sometimes it isn't actually a reaction to my point rather something around the edges. Yes sometimes i may fail to react to something and i make mistakes, who dosen't were all human or an animal of some kind :)

Disagree.
Lack of knowledge of any particular subject becomes apparent when one posts on a forum about that subject.


No. That's having a row.
An argument can be a stated reason for or against an idea.
That, is my argument.


Oh no! This is getting too friendly. I might have to disagree.


I assumed that you at least glance over or scan through what other people have said in your arguments, sorry, debates. I don't think you always take it all in. Some arguments people make do move somewhat laterally, but that includes you too.


I'll come back as a goat next time... if there is a next time.

No he does not and we were ignoring all that heavy duty stuff like hundreds of other people for years when you were a happy-go-lucky bloke. We didn't even know you'd got married. The In Law is an Ass apparently?

Politics Sex Religion. That even sounds as though it could actually be something to worry about had you not simply made it up to bolster the crusade.

So it was you that started the rumour about Admin closing the Singles section. Bang to rights mate. :)

While I disagree with Tornado, because the point he made originally has been proved to be unfounded, and that personally I don't care who votes in the UK for elections in other countries, or even if the election was on Mars... paid for by Martians of course! ;)

But, here's something I got to wondering about. Should people, from one nation, now living in another, be allowed to vote in an election where the outcome will not affect them?

For example. Someone from Poland, living in the UK, and paying tax in the UK and no tax in Poland. Votes for a political party that says they'll reduce taxation, but at the cost of public services. (Like Th*tcher did in the UK) The impact of that will affect those in Poland, but will not affect those Polish living in the UK.

Is that OK?

And Tornado.. this does NOT validate your point... OK! ;)

i wouldn't dream of using it as a reason


money was not the only issue :)


lol and of course the whole of the forum is filled with knowledgeable people who just can't help but know more than me :)
your probably right, as i said everybody makes mistakes


why would you share all of your knowledge or even a tenth of it if you didn't think it was relevant to a certain point.

- Oh boy, he's still rambling?

Well if it's like this case - it has nothing to do with the UK...but nor would it affect UK residents in a bad way. Since, like this, it wouldn't affect us at all.
What on earth are you expecting? How long has it been going on and no knock-on effects that have caused harm..?

No, he's not stupid at all.

A related question that actually has better room for equal discussion than the thread's original question. Had this been the question to begin with - it would be an entirely different ball game.

T2007, it is obvious you do not understand some things from the arguments you make that are clearly lacking in understanding of how things work.

You still haven't said anything about how you feel about EU citizens voting in UK elections.
I am not just winding you up.

entirely agree with you on that one

better than most others on the planet

who are you trying to kid?




in ur opinion!



????

You think the education system in the UK is the best?
Is the NHS really so fantastic? Look at hospital closures, number of GPs per head of population, usage of the private sector, how medical students are funded and what then happens to them...


Being a member of the EU has many benefits, such as
trading relations with other EU countries - much more costly without membership,
making decisions about the EU and within the EU,
political cohesion and stability within Europe,
EU funding for projects, and into poorer areas neglected at local and national levels,
EU laws strengthening our civil liberties, eg. minimum wage,
investment from outside the EU, into the EU, using the UK as a base,
etc. etc.

For those who hark back to the glory days, when were they:
1970s - strikes, strikes and more strikes
1950s - the age of austerity, rationing, everyone in dull grey clothes
1930s - mass unempolyment, riots
Victorian era - children working up chimneys, etc. etc.
The Mediaeval - say no more
When they built Stonehenge
??

Oh, and what is the Asian community?
Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists...
Indian origin, Punjabi origin, Bangladeshi origin, Sri Lankan...
Well to do families, poor families...
Recent immigrants, 2nd generation, 3rd...

Thank you ladies *blush* .....

(that's my entire yearly allowance of sensible posts used up now..)

2 b quite honest u bore me 2 tears with ur one sided views on most everything! so much so that when i normally see ur name i skip right past anything u have 2 say!!! but i will say the only reason any part of the uk needs any type of funding is due 2 the amount of money dragged out the country by europe!

now in the future do not reply 2 anything i might say and i will do likewise!

ta ta

i think the majority of my contribution has a bit more quality attached to it than yours puzzler :)


exactly so it shouldn't be done here, we need things done here that effect US not other countries.


being going on for ages, what Polish people voting in the UK i don't think so.


i think osiol will appreciate the brown nosing and may thank you later :)


considering my real point wasn't about the 'vote' it was about the vote 'taking place' you just didn't pick that up and i don't think i explained myself well. However as i said to osiol everyone makes mistakes.


Daisy a lot of your contribution is agreeing with people why don't you change the cat to a sheep my dear :) lol


smiling right back at you buddy, lol :):):):):):):):)

Tornado. I'm kind of new here. But I'm a regular poster on forums elsewhere. Your responses seem to me, now, Trolling.

You're looking for an argument, and your selectively quoting as well as being quite derogatory towards people.

Quite sad.

Don't feed the Troll.

being able to vote for your own country whilst in another. Not specifically Polish. Did you do that deliberately?

I wonder how many people find you interesting... I'd bet that a lot more people would agree that Osiol is far more worthy of being listened to than a very rude man such as yourself.

I'm sorry - it's 'brown-nosing' to say a clever man is clever? I thought I could better be accused of stating the obvious, but you are leaning on the side of nasty now, which is not required. I'm not the only person to think of Osiol as clever. But I guess they were just 'brown-nosing' too.

yeah... it's me who is missing the point. You seem to think if people don't agree with your point, they haven't understood you. But that is your misunderstanding.

If she has an opinion on something and wants to state it, but someone else has already said it - why would she repeat it? Why not just make her view known by saying she agrees?
Am I 'brown-nosing' again Tornado?

I don't take kindly to that remark.

well i'm sorry king of the forums, i'm not looking for an argument at all, i'm looking for a discussion about topics taht matter to me.


derogatory and a touch childish don't you think :) call me what you wnat but doon't whatever you do be a hypocrite like you have there :):)


So then you have only seen a few of my posts, you are not really in a position to judge clearly or with much accuracy, however i admire your honesty.


<Smiles to himself> don't make me laugh is that meant to be clever

Ah I was too busy typing to see that - I'm beginning to wish I'd just kept out of it to begin with. Tornado has gotten personal. I wasn't surprised by his thread, but must express that I am surprised at his attitude toward those who disagree. That I did not expect.

do what deliberately?? use the word 'Polish' well as an example yes, as this is a Polish forum, i'm always getting told off for not talking about 'Polish' specifically so i'm just doing as i'm told. Of course i'm not picking on the Polish i'm not biggoted.


well yes i guess they are then :). by all means say nice things about people thats acceptable but just to say it to back him in an debate is somewhat brown nosing. I know he's clever and intellegent but i don't say it while he's in the middle of a discussion with somebody else.



you didn't quote all of what i said, i also said this is something that i do and that 'all' people make mistakes. so please but that card you just played back in the deck.



no your not because your not saying she's the most beautiful ***** cat in the world :). I think you'll find i said 'a lot of the time' so not just on this occasion, Daisy is a frequent 'i agree' poster more than the average bear.


i apoligise if it offends you what would you rather me say to describe it?? by the way i'm asking seriously as i really don't mean to openly offend people.


you what?? what are you calling personal?

Tornado - never mind putting that one card back in the deck, I'm putting them all back. I see it's futile and I give up.

it is if you believe the hearsay, its just as i said i'm not talking about the 'voting' i'm talking about the 'action' happening on UK soil. we have spoken before about many subjects i think you know i'm not impossible.