HELP! Australian wanted to apply for Polish Passport via ancestory

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Edited by: travelbugz Apr 4, 08, 20:27 #1

Hi All!

Myself and my partner wish to travel abroad from Australia at the end of next year (DEC 2009) We wish to work and travel around the EU and as she has her British Passport - I too hope to get my Polish Passport via my Grandmother.
I have been reading alot of information about the application for Polish citizenship, before you can apply for Polish Passport and the relvant documentation involved. It seems the Consualtes will take some time (approx 18months) so it is much easier to have someone appointed and based in Poland to do it for you such as lawyer.

If anyone out there could please help me it would be so greatly appreaciated. I need some contacts for some Polish based lawyers (english speaking) that could handle my case. Then I can simpliy contact him and send my documents and be a happy man!

Thankyou all so very much

DzhaklinThreads: 3 Posts: 190 Joined: Dec 3, 07 ♀	Apr 5, 08, 00:53 #2
Yea it takes a whole lot of time and patience because things have tendency to become lost. Also it is very very tricky. Check out this letter from an earlier thread " Recently, I emailed the Polish Embassy in the U.S. regarding this very question. Here is their response: http://www.polishforums.com/did_try_get_polish_citizenship_due-6_5847_ 0.html#msg74827

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Apr 5, 08, 01:07 #3

travelbugz:

It seems the Consualtes will take some time (approx 18months) so it is much easier to have someone appointed and based in Poland to do it for you such as lawyer.

You may want to refer to the SBS polish service homepage, it has a smogasload of infomation and recordings from people in the know.
The process is much harder (on the adminstrative type) as passports have to comply with EU stardards.
Check out the Polish Embassy site in Canberra.

http://www.radio.sbs.com.au/language.php?language=Polish

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,103 Joined: Jan 22, 07 ♂	Apr 6, 08, 17:46 #4
there is an australian company that does all this for you, for a fee, the website is: polaron.net

lefThreads: 13 Posts: 564 Joined: Jun 27, 06 ♂	Apr 6, 08, 17:50 #5
King Sobieski: for a fee, the website is: Check out the fee, ????,,, Its not a big deal applying for a passport.

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Apr 6, 08, 23:09 #6

lef:

Check out the fee, ????,,, Its not a big deal applying for a passport.

i assume you think the cost is outrageous?

i have no links whatsoever with this organisation, got one of their flyers at the polish festival in melbourne.

but my mate applied for citizenship and then a password by himself with the help of his dad who was a lawyer and had connections. after a year and half he still did not have anything back. he contact this polaron group and within 6 months he got his citizenship and password.

lefThreads: 13 Posts: 564 Joined: Jun 27, 06 ♂	Apr 7, 08, 03:35 #7
King Sobieski: he contact this polaron group and within 6 months he got his citizenship and password. the bottom line is how simple is your application and how much documentation you have.. everyman and his dog now wants a EU passport it allows you to work in every EU country. Lets be honest unless your the village idiot its no big deal applying for a passport!!!

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Apr 7, 08, 17:50 #8

lef:

the bottom line is how simple is your application and how much documentation you have.. everyman and his dog now wants a EU passport it allows you to work in every EU country.
Lets be honest unless your the village idiot its no big deal applying for a passport!!!

well, considering that the documentation is in polish and the application is in polish and my parents cant even complete i would have to pay a lawyer/interpreter to complete it.

i would assume the original poster would come across the same issues, and if his grandparents migrated after the war then there would be a lack of documentation as well.

DzhaklinThreads: 3 Posts: 190 Joined: Dec 3, 07 ♀	Edited by: Dzhaklin Apr 7, 08, 18:09 #9
I was under the assumption that you had to have been declared a citizen before you could apply for a passport... but then again I might be confused

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,103 Joined: Jan 22, 07 ♂	Apr 7, 08, 22:57 #10
Dzhaklin: I was under the assumption that you had to have been declared a citizen before you could apply for a passport... but then again I might be confused you are correct...but you still need your grandparents documentation for proof to obtain citizenship.

Guest	Apr 13, 08, 12:12 #11
email me your details to: polishcitizneship@googlemail.com would be happy to assist you.

Boo	Jun 2, 08, 14:02 #12
I am intrigued to know how Travelbugz is getting on and what they decided to do? I am in a very similar position...

Guest	Jul 14, 08, 11:09 #13
I just went to the polaron.net link and it is not there anymore, did they get rid of it?

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Jul 14, 08, 11:23 #14

lef:

everyman and his dog now wants a EU passport it allows you to work in every EU country.

Not true and it's not an EU passport, each country has there own passport some European countries are memebers of the EU some are not. Only those who are members of the EU are allowed to work within the EU, some members of the EU have restrictions on how even members of the EU can work there.

In the UK there are restrictions on Bulgarians and Romanians..

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2004_02_27/eu/working_restrictions.htm

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,103 Joined: Jan 22, 07 ♂	Jul 14, 08, 17:43 #15
Guest: I just went to the polaron.net link and it is not there anymore, did they get rid of it? nah, my mum used them 2 weeks ago. try this link: www.polaron.com.au

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Nov 25, 08, 03:38 #16

Tavelbugz,

I have recently received my confirmation of Polish Citizenship after a long and exhausting 18 months.

My Grandparents who were both born in Poland were only 15 and 16 at the time they were taken by the Germans in WW2. This meant that neither of them had passports or Identification cards. The only documents that I had at the time of submitting the application for Citizenship were my grandparents marriage certificate and a copy of their Australian Naturalization certificates.

After submitting what I thought were the right documents and waiting over 8 months for any information I finally found a phone number for the office in Warsaw through this website. As many people here know, I was told that my case had not yet been assigned, but now that I had made contact it would be. I then found out that all of the documents that I had submitted had to be re-sent as the Polish Consulate in Australia had failed to certify them as direct copies of the originals. This was quite a blow as I know live in London and all the originals were back in Australia with my family who live 8 hours from Sydney. Long story short, I had all the orginals re-certified and submitted to the office in Warsaw. I was then informed that I needed further evidence, so with the help of a lawyer in Poland I was able to obtain my Grandfathers birth certificate and of course again I was told that this was not enough. What ended up being the deciding factor was obtaining the immigration records of my grandfather from the Australian National Archive. These documents stated the history of my Grandfather, his place of birth, school's attended, confirmation that he was taken by the Germans and that he was indeed a citizen of Poland.

I thought that receiving the confirmation of citizenship would be the end of the battle, but I was soon to find out that it was only the continuation of the process.

To obtain a Polish Passport, you must register your birth with the Polish Office and receive a Polish Birth Certificate. If I had of known this earlier I would have had this process underway at the same time as my Citizenship application. I am now having to re-submit my Australian Birth Certificate, along with a translated copy and certificate of confirmation of Citizenship. I have been advised that this could take up to 3 months to be issued.

Once I have the Polish Birth Certificate, I can then apply for a passport. Time for issuing?The Polish Consulate here in London has advised 4 months!

I know that this whole process has been exhausting and time consuming, so my aim here is not to rattle on about my story, but to help others with information and resources.

For help with obtaining Immigration Records, the link for the Australian National archive is:

naa.gov.au/whats-on/records-releases/making-australia-home.aspx

Make sure that when you request any documents you ask for them to be certified as copies of the original (this costs nothing more, but will mean that the office in Warsaw will accept them!)

The number of the Citizenship Confirmation Office in Warsaw

Poswiadczenie Obywatelstwa Polskiego, Pok. 23
Tel: +48 (022) 695 65 79

In my case I found that having a lawyer in Poland overseeing all of the communication was most beneficial. I made the initial application as it is much cheaper this way, I then asked for the help of the lawyer to follow up. The lawyer charged $100 US for his services, which really is quite cheap! If you want the name, feel free to contact me and I'll send it on!

All the best for your application!

inkrakow

Nov 25, 08, 07:45 #17

Nic076:

I am now having to re-submit my Australian Birth Certificate, along with a translated copy and certificate of confirmation of Citizenship. I have been advised that this could take up to 3 months to be issued.

I don't know if this is of any use to you but I had to go through the same process (from the UK and it was just as painful as yours sounds) and I found out that had I been willing to travel to Warsaw to take my birth certificate there in person and pick it up, they could have done it within a week or two. This isn't really feasible from Sydney I guess but from London it's a 2hr cheap flight so it may be an option if you want to hurry it up!

citizenshipThreads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂	Dec 2, 08, 03:01 #18
Please check website polish-citizenship.pl You can find an information about polish citizenship and polish passport there.

citizen123Threads: - Posts: 12 Joined: Dec 4, 08 ♂	Dec 4, 08, 03:40 #19
Unfortunatelly the whole process concerning getting decision about Polish citizenship takes a lot of time. It is because there are many applications submitted in Polish departments.

AussiepoleThreads: 1 Posts: 5 Joined: Dec 15, 08 ♂	Jan 3, 09, 03:13 #20
It took me about 3 years from getting all the paperwork done to actually receiving my passport! I used a fantastic lady who runs a smallbusiness called LOST HISTORIES http://members.optusnet.com.au/~losthistories/ I thought i would get it all done within a year and be on way traveling abroad! But be warned Polish Red tape is incredible! Richard

dreamerSThreads: - Posts: 1 Joined: Jan 11, 09 ♀	Edited by: dreamerS Jan 11, 09, 19:00 #21
I would like to obtain Polish citizenship. I have my father's Polish passport and my birth certificate translated into Polish. I think that it is time to contact a Polish lawyer to get help with the application. Could you please send me your contact?

King SobieskiThreads: 7 Posts: 1,103 Joined: Jan 22, 07 ♂	Jan 11, 09, 20:58 #22
dreamerS: I would like to obtain Polish citizenship. I have my father's Polish passport and my birth certificate translated into Polish. I think that it is time to contact a Polish lawyer to get help with the application. Could you please send me your contact? polaron.net

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Jan 22, 09, 22:24 #23

Hi all,

I just thought I'd let you know that our website is polaron.com.au. Unlike many other companies, we actually hold our clients' hands, from the beginning to the end of the process (the coveted Polish passport!). Yes, it can be expensive, frustrating and time consuming. But our success rate is 100%. You do get what you pay for.

We are currently in the process of setting up a Pro Bono program to those deserving prospective Polish citizens who cannot afford our services. If interested, send us an email (info@polaron.com.au) and we will send you an application form. There is no hidden agenda, no pressure to do anything and no spam. All the best to everyone!

Eva

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Edited by: fetsy Jan 26, 09, 23:41 #24

Has anybody had any success getting a passport with a family history similar to mine?

- Mother born Polish in 1921, came to Australia in 1927, naturalized as a British subject in 1929 (automatically upgraded to an Australian citizen in 1949)
- Father born Polish in 1907 but lived in Austria until 1939, came to Australia 1939 (told authorities he was 'stateless'), compelled to do military service in Australia in 1942, naturalized as a British subject in 1942 (and also upgraded to citizen in 1949 by operation of law).

There are all sorts of legal hurdles because of the provisions of Poland's 1920 constitution. I think there is a way to argue my way around them, but I need to be sure.

fetsyThreads: - Posts: 3 Joined: Jan 26, 09 ♂	Jan 28, 09, 19:36 #25
Sorry, I mean the 1920 citizenship law.

frank80	Jan 30, 09, 15:08 #26
Hi,i had the same case with you,i was living in USA,until i was directed to a citizenship polish lawyer working in the Polish commission in cameroon.If you wish you can email him using aloysfixon@yahoo.com. I think if you contact him,your problem will be solved in two months.

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Edited by: gjene Jan 31, 09, 08:15 #27

travelbugz

Are you still following this thread? Look up www.easyexpat.com, then go to the forums, then click on the immigration uk. After that you will find a thread about Polish citizenship there. It is about 26 or 27 pages by now. Others have gone through what you are trying to do with obtaining a passport.
There is also a part 1 to this thread as well that can be read, but not posted to. Someone in the current thread could link you to the previous so you can read it. From there you would have to either get it printed out for future reference or make notes and ask in the current thread. Good Luck. If you cannot find it let me know.

Guest	Apr 16, 09, 10:38 #28
Travelbugz If you still need legal help in obtaining a Polish passport and citizenship, I think that I could help you in this application procedure. I am a Polish lawyer and I speak English. I can handle your case. Contact : sligecki@wp.pl

dbarashi	Aug 25, 09, 01:59 #29
Hi, can you send me the contact of the person who helped you. I am also in a need for help. dbarashi@yahoo.com

rafix

Aug 31, 09, 05:22 #30

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone has additional problems proving citizenship or applying for a passport after changing their family name via deed poll???

I was born in Poland in '78 to Polish parents but my mother changed our family name not long after arriving in Australia. I have all the required paperwork, but my mother feels that Poland will not recognise the Australian name change?

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Cheers,

Rafael.

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