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No, Wroclaw, PWEI is the troll. Larue is an honorable poster.
larue  Sep 14, 11, 19:16    #62
Art 4 of Polish citizenship Law says nothing else but this : polish citizenship passes from one polish citizen to his successor without any limitations in time .

Lets say X emigrated to another country lets say Australia in 1920 and was a polish citizen , he will always be considered a Polish citizen, unless he renounced it , than he has a child Y born in Australia , according to ius sauguinis this child becomes a polish citizen by law . He will get polish passport if he provides an act of birth of Y and any document proving his (X person ) polish citizenship eg. passport . Then Y has a child Z born also in Australia , in such a case a granchild of X will also get a polish passport as he is considered as polish citizen same as his grand parent X and a parent Y .



PWEI you lost this battle ,so now you go away and cry in your pillow .
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larue
Art 4 of Polish citizenship Law says nothing else but this : polish citizenship passes from one polish citizen to his successor without any limitations in time .

No it does not; kindly do not lie. It says exactly this:
Article 4
The acquisition of Polish citizenship by birth occurs when:
1. both parents are Polish citizens, or

2. when only one of them is a Polish citizen and the other is unknown or his/her citizenship is undetermined or he/she has no citizenship.

Samantha Stosur's parents are not Polish citizens and thus they can not pass citizenship on to her.
larue  Sep 14, 11, 19:24    #64
seems to me that u are the troll, larue


Wroclaw maybe you are the troll ?

Why are you accusing me of trolling if I am giving you all the true and valuable information relating to the subject, which you can verify and see if I am right or wrong on that subject . Before accusing me of troling just write what t kind of false information I posted in that thread . I am waiting for your answer . If you don`t find anything proving your claim it means you shouldn`t be a morerator here on PF as you know too little about Polish matters to become a mod .It is just a shame that such people moderate this place .

I must say that I feel insulted by your accusation of my person .
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larue
Why are you accusing me of trolling if I am giving you all the true and valuable information relating to the subject, which you can verify and see if I am right or wrong on that subject .

You are very clearly lying about what Polish law says. This link http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,LEGAL,,LEGISLATION,POL,4562d8b62 ,3ae6b4fd10,0.html shows precisely what Polish law says and exposes you as a liar. You are being described as a troll because you come here to lie.
larue  Sep 14, 11, 19:31    #66
Samantha Stosur's parents are not Polish citizens and thus they can not pass citizenship on to her.


Haha , if her grandfather was polish , his children are polish too even if he was married to a citizen of another country , you troll .

SECTION 1 - POLISH CITIZENSHIP ACT
Article 1 Persons having Polish citizenship under current regulations become Polish citizens on the day the Law comes into force.

Article 2 A person who is a Polish citizen under Polish law cannot be recognized at the same time as a citizen of another state.

Article 3 Conclusion of marriage by a Polish citizen with a person who is not a Polish citizen does not effect the citizenship of either the husband or the wife.Change of citizenship of either the husband or the wife does not effect the citizenship of the other.

SECTION 2 - ACQUISITION OF POLISH CITIZENSHIP Article 4
The acquisition of Polish citizenship by birth occurs when:both parents are Polish citizens, orwhen only one of them is a Polish citizen and the other is unknown or his/her citizenship is undetermined or he/she has no citizenship.

Article 5 When both parents are unknown or their citizenship is undetermined, or they have no citizenship, their child shall acquire Polish citizenship only if it is born or was found on Polish territory.

Article 6 The child of parents, one of whom is a Polish citizen and the other a citizen of another state, acquires Polish citizenship by birth. However the parents can, within three months from the child's birth, submit to a competent authority their concordant declaration stating that they choose for their child the citizenship of the foreign state of which one of the parents is a citizen, if under the law of the foreign state, that child will acquire its citizenship.


Read it , after reading art 6 sentence 1 you will find out you are wrong , troll .

See reading a part of law makes your knowledge unvaluable .
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larue
Article 6 The child of parents, one of whom is a Polish citizen and the other a citizen of another state, acquires Polish citizenship by birth.

And which of Stosur's parents are Polish citizens now? One of them might be but until his status is resolved and he acquires Polish citizenship, he can not pass it on to her.

By the way, nice of you to post the real Article four after first lying about what it said.
larue  Sep 14, 11, 19:42    #68
PWEI is a liar , because he contradicts what the section 6 sentence 1 says according to Polish Citizenship Act
Samantha Stosur's parents are not Polish citizens and thus they can not pass citizenship on to her.
and he insults valuable posters who post here all the true information about Poland .

You PWEI have no knowledge and even a bit of understanding of Polish legal system , because you are plain ignorant about this subject , so don`t misslead people here any more . You are just an english teacher so admit your ignorance now .
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larue
PWEI is a liar , because he contradicts what the section 6 sentence 1 says according to Polish Citizenship Act

Which of Stosur's parents holds Polish citizenship and can thus pass it to her? One of them might qualify but he does not currently have it, therefore she can not be Polish.

larue
valuable posters who post here all the true information about Poland .

Clearly you can't be talking about yourself here: you lied about what Polish law says!

larue
You are just an english teacher

Guess again liar.
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Harry and Monia,

can we now move on, please.
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can we now move on, please.

No problem.

Any chance you can correct the title of this thread? The woman is either American-Australian or Polish-English-American-Australian, not Polish-Australian. Thanks.
larue  Sep 14, 11, 19:54    #72
PWEI

Just take into consideration that people in Polish consultes assume more than you and issue passports to ancestors in case if just one grand parent holded polish citizenship.


PWEI
he can not pass it on to her.

What is the ground of such a claim , cite me the law that forbids that , lol. Polish citizenship is passed by birth on ancestors . Her father gained it through birth from a Polish citizen . I explained it in my previous post .

PWEI
By the way, nice of you to post the real Article four after first lying about what it said.


Haha , it means you know nothing about Polish Law. I don`t need to quote anything here if I don`t want to . I did it on puropse to unveil your stupidity .

Now I finished with you PWEI as I proved enough of your ignorance and have no intention to devote any more of my time to a troll like you . Good bye , Mr Troll .
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Haha , if her grandfather was polish , his children are polish too even if he was married to a citizen of another country , you troll .


Haha, actually, if her grandfather acquired Australian citizenship before 1968, he would have been stripped of Polish citizenship automatically and therefore - his children cannot be Polish, troll. Likewise, if her parents were Australian citizens before 1968, they would've been stripped of the citizenship too.

Lets say X emigrated to another country lets say Australia in 1920 and was a polish citizen , he will always be considered a Polish citizen, unless he renounced it


Wrong. He would have been stripped of the citizenship under the relevant citizenship acts. Is it really such a difficult concept to understand?

Gotta love plastic Poles - they don't even understand the law when written in English!
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Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂ 		Edited by: PWEI  Sep 14, 11, 19:57    #74
Now I finished with you PWEI as I proved enough of your ignorance and have no intention to devote any more of my time to a troll like you . Good bye , Mr Troll .

So you aren't going to tell us which of Stosur's parents holds Polish citizenship and can thus pass it to her?

Thanks for changing the title mods but I don't see how Stosur is part Polish-Australian, none of her relatives are Polish-Australian. At best her father is Polish-American-Australian, so she'd be part Polish-American-Australian, not part Polish-Australian.
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This thread's title is correct Samantha Stosur is a Polish-Australian. Her surname is from Poland. PWEI by repeatedly demanding the thread's title be changed is "flaming" and he deserves to be suspended.
Edit: and now I see that the thread's title has been changed to include "Part" before it says Polish. Ha ha Wroclaw you really have no business being a moderator on a Polish discussion forum when your loyalties clearly lie with the British expatriate trolls that infest this forum rather than with Poles and Polonia.
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Des Essientes
This thread's title is correct Samantha Stosur is a Polish-Australian.

Nope: she is American-Australian. Or Polish-English-American-Australian if you want to go back that far.

Des Essientes
Her surname is from Poland.

So that makes her Polish. Oh well, I guess that Warsaw was then destroyed on the orders of a Pole: Zelewski is a Polish name, so he must have been a Pole.

On the bright side, at least both Stosur and Zelewski can spell their names, which is more than you can manage.
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So that makes her Polish.

An Australian with a Polish surname, not acquired through marriage or adoption, is a Polish-Australian. It is that simple. PWEI you are an idiot for contesting this fact.
larue  Sep 14, 11, 20:09    #78
delphiandomine

Delfdomin
Wrong. He would have been stripped of the citizenship under the relevant citizenship acts. Is it really such a difficult concept to understand?

Gotta love plastic Poles - they don't even understand the law when written in English!

Haha , you are jewish aren`t you so you know a bit about the subject but only what was referred to Jews. You think that what was pertaining to Jews in 1968 was applied to Polish citizens . You are wrong . Read more about the subject, another troll .
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Her surname is from Poland.

What does that prove? I know people in Poznan with German last names. Are they German? Don't be ridiculous.

PWEI by repeatedly demanding the thread's title be changed is "flaming" and he deserves to be suspended.

Aw. Look at you, trying to demand things. Are you so forceful with children?

Edit: and now I see that the thread's title has been changed to include "Part" before it says Polish. Ha ha Wroclaw you really have no business being a moderator on a Polish discussion forum when your loyalties clearly lie with the British expatriate trolls that infest this forum rather than with Poles and Polonia.

Rule #1 of PolishForums - the mods are always right.
Prosze To Napis  Sep 14, 11, 20:11    #80
PWEI by repeatedly demanding the thread's title be changed is "flaming" and he deserves to be suspended.


No. It is nothing more than him in denial of his own roots. By denying Sam he can deny himself. Be Proud of where you hail PWEI and DD!
larue  Sep 14, 11, 20:12    #81
Article 13

1.Subject to exceptions provided by this Law a Polish citizen may acquire foreign citizenship only with the consent of the appropriate Polish authority permitting such change of citizenship. The acquisition of foreign citizenship automatically results in the loss of Polish citizenship.

2. Permission for change of citizenship granted to parents covers also children remaining under their parental authority.

3. Permission granted to only one of the parents shall cover children remaining under his/her parental authority when the other parent has no parental authority or when the other parent is not a Polish citizen or when that parent being a Polish citizen submits his consent to a competent authority for the children to change their citizenship.

4. When the other parent, being a Polish citizen, objects to the change of citizenship of the children or when the parentsare unable to reach mutual understanding then each of the parents may apply for adjudgement to a Polish Court.

5. Permission to change citizenship shall cover children of sixteen years of age or over only with their consent.

Read this section so you will find out more , before trolling .
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An Australian with a Polish surname, not acquired through marriage or adoption, is a Polish-Australian. It is that simple.

Possibly, if that person had only Australian and Polish blood. However, Stosur is also English (as English as she is Polish) and American, so she is Polish-English-American-Australian. Kind of pathetic for you plastic Poles to always want to claim as Polish people who do not identify themselves as Polish.
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What does that prove? I know people in Poznan with German last names. Are they German?

They are Poles that have some German ancestry, just as Samantha Stosur is an Australian with Polish ancestry. It doesn't make her a Pole as the idiot PWEI falsley claims I am stating. It makes her a Polish-Australian and a member of Polonia.
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1.Subject to exceptions provided by this Law a Polish citizen may acquire foreign citizenship only with the consent of the appropriate Polish authority permitting such change of citizenship. The acquisition of foreign citizenship automatically results in the loss of Polish citizenship.

Yes, but this is the modern law. It's unlikely that her grandfather still had Polish citizenship at the time of the introduction of this law.

[quote]They are Poles that have some German ancestry, just as Samantha Stosur is an Australian with Polish ancestry. [/quite]

She also has American and British ancestry. Perhaps when you stop denying this, we can move on.
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Nothing about Sam Stosur's talent

Plenty of argument about nationality

The thread has been dragged off topic

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