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Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 15:40    #1
I was horrified to read this article today:

http://dalje.com/en-world/three-chechen-girls-found-dead-in-polish-mou ntains/80588

Quite horrifying to say the least. How this Chechen mother lost 3 of her daughters while crossing into Poland! Only one of her daughters survived!

How cruel are these borders? Are we humans or are we rock and sand?

Are there any Chechens in this forum? Do Chechens have internet connection?
convexThreads: 46
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Joined: Nov 25, 09  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:11    #2
This woman needs to be locked up for a long time. Another sad case of idiots breeding.
Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:15    #3
convex:
Another sad case of idiots breeding.

What do you mean? ... she lost her children! ...
grubasThreads: 20
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Joined: Feb 1, 10  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: grubas  Feb 5, 11, 16:21    #4
This news is like 3 y/o,and no she was not locked up instead she was visited in a hospital by Kaczyńska.The "good" news is that her son Mohamad survived,1 male =20 females in their culture,so you guys better show some respect for different culture.Don't be racists!Her name is Marisa something.
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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convex:
This woman needs to be locked up for a long time. Another sad case of idiots breeding.

These are the words of a moderator at this discussion forum.....
Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:26    #6
grubas:
grubas

Have some respect for humanity ... beyond religion and cultures for God's sake even just one time you CREEPS.
convexThreads: 46
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Lodz_The_Boat:
What do you mean? ... she lost her children! ...

She killed her children through her stupidity.
Des Essientes:
These are the words of a moderator at this discussion forum.....

Yes they are. Don't like those words? Don't want to hear my opinion? Well, I'm really not too worried, this is a discussion forum after all....

Should this woman be given a medal for dragging her kids over the mountains during the winter?
Lodz_The_Boat:
Have some respect for humanity

No respect for child murdering idiots. Sorry. She killed her children.


Here's a bit more in depth writeup about the general situation:

http://www.krakowpost.com/article/675
grubasThreads: 20
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Joined: Feb 1, 10  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:33    #8
Lodz_The_Boat:
beyond religion and cultures for God's sake even just one time you CREEPS.

Inshallah my friend,Inshallah.
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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Joined: Feb 6, 10  Pictures: 4 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:45    #9
One would think Chechens struggling to free themselves from Russian domination would find a sympathetic ear at a Polish discussion forum. Those here who insist on seeing the world through Islamophobic lenses deserve to be hacked to death by the scimitars of Polish Tartars.
Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:47    #10
Des Essientes:
Those here who insist on seeing the world through Islamophobic lenses deserve to be hacked to death by the scimitars of Polish Tartars.

Here comes another extreme view.

You guyz really can't possibly try and see anything from a humane point of view. You are all brainwashed people, toys of politicians ... who divide and rule and loot.
Des EssientesThreads: 11
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Lodz_The_Boat:
Here comes another extreme view.

I was ironically pointing out that Poland has had Muslim citizens for centuries and satirizing the call for eugenics by the "moderator" above with a call for another out-moded form of population control.
wildroverThreads: 180
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Joined: Jun 7, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:58    #12
Lodz_The_Boat:
You guyz really can't possibly try and see anything from a humane point of view. You are all brainwashed people, toys of politicians ... who divide and rule and loot.


You are brainwashed by the bible....how many people have been divided by this great book....

How many people have died because of differing opinions on what its all supposed to mean...?
Wiedzmin_fanThreads: 2
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Joined: May 31, 10 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 16:59    #13
She protected her son over her daughters, in accordance with their culture. You shouldn't judge!

Also, I am sure it is all Russia's fault.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		Edited by: jonni  Feb 5, 11, 16:59    #14
You'd be surprised at the size of the Chechen community in Poland. I had a friend who was a Chechen. After 15 years here the government decided to send him back, after having build a life, family and career here. Goodness knows what they expected him to do for a living when he went back. He died though, from a heart attack probably caused by stress, so The government didn't have to do anything in the end. A really nice guy.

Lodz_The_Boat:
You are all brainwashed people,

This from a cult member, part of an extreme sect who allow no deviation from the organisation's official line.

The fact is, that the woman took an extremely dangerous, irresponsible and foolhardy decision. Instead of dragging up a story from years ago, it's better to examine what she was fleeing from and whether there were any alternatives.
Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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jonni:
This from a cult member, part of an extreme sect who allow no deviation from the organisation's official line.

I gave you a link on this distinction between cult and religion. Why are you always after my beliefs? ... Here it is humanity I am talking about, and we should stick to that. You have problems with me on my beliefs, you can PM me about it. To come here and ridicule someone's belief is very stupid thing to do.
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 17:30    #16
Lodz_The_Boat:
I gave you a link on this distinction between cult and religion.

There is a big distinction. Dodgy link or not, yours is a brainwashing cult which, constantly recruits, solicits money off its 'members' and tells them what they can or cannot believe and who they can or cannot sleep with. And some of your posts could frankly be reprinted in their in-house magazine without much editing (though they doubtless edit everything). All the one-world stuff, and marriage between people from whatever cultures. I posted a list of their tactics here once. You should seriously think about getting out before it's too late. People who are not members of your cult (or as you call it, religion) are at often least as happy, healthy, well adjusted, fulfilled as you, if not more so, so why pay all the money, attend the 'meetings' and go away for the 'weekends'?

The Chechen woman however was prepared to risk everything for a better life. Remember the TV footage of the war in Grozny? The siege of Beslan. Those people (only a million of them left) are desperate. What makes someone take such risks, and is the life she had a chance of making in Poland so much better than the one she was leaving?

I don't think so. Those people who cling to rafts from Cuba tothe US aren't leaving because Cuba is a hell hole (it isn't by any means) or the US is paradise (those folks are frankly not going to be buying a home in the Hamptons or joining a country club) - it's because of a whole complex set of factors. Sending money (only sometimes - immigrants don't often get much), improved quality of life (not always), ambition (doing a lower status job). No. There must be something more to it.
Lodz_The_BoatThreads: 58
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Joined: Sep 7, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: Lodz_The_Boat  Feb 5, 11, 18:24    #17
jonni:
I posted a list of their tactics here once.

Those are beliefs ... not tactics

jonni:
are at often least as happy, healthy, well adjusted, fulfilled as you, if not more so, so why pay all the money, attend the 'meetings' and go away for the 'weekends'?

Its contribution, and believe me people are more than happy to pay it. They do not take a single penny from any one else. And it is every individuals own wish if they want to contribute or not. No one forces. The meetings ... everything ... is free for everyone, without force.

Why are you so animalistic on this? If you don't believe, move aside. But you have no right to hurl stones. Yes Baha'is welcome anyone who likes to join, but we don't pull people in in exchange of money like many missionaries do in the east. Lets not talk about it. There will be too much to say ... and I don't like arguments which insult Religions, beliefs ... that should always be respected.

jonni:
You should seriously think about getting out before it's too late.

www.bahai.org.pl

I invite you to rethink your situation ... come ... have a tea with Baha'is in Warsaw. We will talk.

Whatever you are writing is very negative and baseless thing. Baha'is have complete freedom of expression, and like all religions have a set of laws they follow. I don't want this discussion to be blemished by you in bringing off topic matters.

jonni:
is the life she had a chance of making in Poland so much better than the one she was leaving?

Probably atleast safer then in Grozny. Safety matters, future matters ...
grubasThreads: 20
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Joined: Feb 1, 10  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		Edited by: grubas  Feb 5, 11, 18:31    #18
jonni:
The siege of Beslan

The siege of Beslan?You call it an example of Chechen "suffering"?Funny.
jonniThreads: 26
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Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂ 		 Feb 5, 11, 18:41    #19
Lodz_The_Boat:
vite you to rethink your situation

I'll have a look at your link. My opinion on that group was formed by people I've met - perhaps you're right and it's indeed time for a rethink.
Lodz_The_Boat:
Probably atleast safer then in Grozny. Safety matters, future matters ...

I can't help thinking that's only a part of the story. The future of one's children must play a part for a lot of people, but there seems to be a human desire to believe not only that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence (and for Chechens in Russia it almost invariably is) but also to follow it.

And then they get here and discover the streets aren't paved with gold.
grubas:
The siege of Beslan?You call it an example of Chechen "suffering"?Funny.

More an example of man's inhumanity to man. Things as dreadful as that are rarely isolated incidents - I wonder what horrors led up to it...


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