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Germans are still Nazis against the Poles - Polish minority in Germany.

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MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	Edited by: Malopolanin Sep 7, 10, 11:16 #1
"Minority rights for Poles in Germany were revoked by Hermann Göring's World War II decree of 27 February 1940, and their property was confiscated. The official minority status of Poles has never been restored in Germany." en.wikipedia.org We should do the same thing to German minority in Poland, which has too many rights and privileges.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Sep 7, 10, 11:34 #2
Malopolanin: We should do the same thing to German minority in Poland Any other good Nazi ideas that you'd like to implement?

MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	Sep 7, 10, 11:38 #3
Principle of reciprocity.

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Sep 7, 10, 12:00 #4

Malopolanin:

Principle of reciprocity.

Just out of curiosity, how has the Germany minority caused you grief in Poland? Any reason to change these peoples lives?

On a side note, the Polish minority was never recognized in all of Germany, because the criteria was never fulfilled. It was only in the eastern states, which are now a part of Poland.

So how is Germany trampling Polish rights there? There are Polish schools, documentation in Polish, Poles can take part in the political process... Are you just trying to get recognition for immigrants? I don't think any country does that.

MalopolaninThreads: 8 Posts: 198 Joined: Sep 5, 10 ♂	Sep 11, 10, 23:58 #5
Interview about our nazi neighbour(in polish): http://mysl.pl/?module=content&m=11&art_id=1365&more=more

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Sep 12, 10, 00:02 #6
Malopolanin: Interview about our nazi neighbour(in polish): It was one person and she is toast regarding her political career, so you are making a mole hill into a mountain! Stop phucking crying!

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Sep 12, 10, 00:18 #7

Dochodzi do tego – tak jak na przykład w ostatnim przypadku, kiedy zgłosiło się do naszego stowarzyszenia małżeństwo włosko-polskie, gdzie dzieci były wychowane trójjęzycznie, ponieważ mieszkają w Niemczech, wszyscy rozmawiają po niemiecku – że Jugendamt stwierdził, iż to jest nie do pomyślenia, żeby dzieci tak języki mieszały i zostało to małżeństwo zmuszone do rozwiedzenia się.

Powiedziano, że jeżeli rodzice się nie rozejdą, to dzieci zostaną zabrane do domu dziecka i już nigdy ich nie zobaczą.

http://mysl.pl/?module=content&m=11&art_id=1365&more=more

it's shocking

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Sep 12, 10, 07:33 #8
Poles must be real masochists! Millions of them prefer living in Nazi-Germany...they even prefer to play for Nazi-Mannschaft....Poland must really suck! :(

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Edited by: Qrot Sep 12, 10, 08:19 #9

Bratwurst Boy:

Poles must be real masochists!

Millions of them prefer living in Nazi-Germany...

Good point.

If it is so bad for Poles in Germany, then they should either come back to Poland
or stop whining like bit*ches and accept the laws of the country they chose to live in.
To be honest, if any Pole chose Germany as a country to immigrate to, then such person
deserves everything he/she gets. That's the price for joining the dark side :)

Here's an idea - I say we should strip every Pole who goes to live in Germany permanently
(for, let's say, more than five years) of his citizenship. In this way there would be no problem
of Poles in Germany! I mean, if he's selling himself for German money, builds the German wealth,
pays taxes for Germany, helps to maintain German pension system etc. etc. then why should
we still consider him a Pole? Why should we fight for his rights and risk the deterioration
of relations with our most important neighbour?

Let's remember that there are no settled Polish minorities in Germany - only immigrants
who abandoned Poland for Deutsche Marks or Euros. It was their decision.

P.S. The same rule should apply to all the plastic Poles in US and Canada and pretty much
any other immigrant group. The only minorities worth defending are those that
never abandoned Poland, but the borders simply moved over their heads. Poles in Wilno
and Lithuania in general, Belarus, Ukraine or those who were deported to eastern parts
of former Soviet Union. They never betrayed Poland, so Poland should never betray them.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Sep 12, 10, 10:24 #10
Bratwurst Boy: Poles must be real masochists! Millions of them prefer living in Nazi-Germany...they even prefer to play for Nazi-Mannschaft....Poland must really suck! :( millions?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 10:25 #11
zetigrek: millions? Millions! ;) Polonia in Germany is the biggest in Europe and the second biggest in the world (after the US). It must really suck in Germany for Poles! ;) (I'm not even talking about the masses who immigrated during the last century into the Ruhrgebiet or anywhere else...where do you think all these 'skis in Germany come from?)

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 12, 10, 10:35 #12

Qrot:

If it is so bad for Poles in Germany, then they should either come back to Poland
or stop whining like bit*ches and accept the laws of the country they chose to live in.

Some ppl felt in love in German men/women and they think everything is ok until the divorce...

It's not only the Poles who complain about Jugendampt. According to this article there is an organisation of parents disadvantaged by Jugenampt in France. I heard also before even about some Americans who complain. The European Court of Human Rights have acknoledge that those parents have reasons to complain and the Jugendampt in many cases acts against human rights but they can't do nothing with it as German Gov is ignoring that verdict.

Bratwurst Boy:

where do you think all these 'skis in Germany come from?

from your family?
Funny that those skins are stabbing now Poles.
The son of Hans Frank said that even in 60/70s ppl in Germany were not hiding their liking to the Nazi Germany...

Bratwurst Boy:

It must really suck in Germany for Poles!

I think yes it must. I've read an article also written by a joutnalist living in Germany and she said that her kids are bullied by other studnets because of their polish roots.

Ppl are ready to bear the humilitation and earn money for convenient life, and I uderstand it as I would also do that. How would you feel if you or your children were living in Poland and treared like that?

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 10:48 #13

zetigrek:

I think yes it must.

No...you don't....think that is! To bad! Stupids never die out...:(

Somehow I can't help thinking that some of you are looking for it. Searching for perceived or even real problems...always whining...complaining....demanding....what are you? The new Jews???

Face it man...there is a continous emigration by Poles westwards into Germay now for centuries.
If you want to believe they all choose german "hell" before polish "heaven" and they suffer here I can't help it.
Such beliefs have no place in reality so facts won't convince you otherwise...you want to mope about nothing? Be my guest! :)

zetigrek:

How would you feel if you or your children were living in Poland and treared like that?

You never heard of that???
Germans in Poland...not exactly a love story, isn't it....

PS: And it's not only Germany, isn't it?
POLISH PEOPLE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND MURDERED BY ITALIANS

Then there are some bad experiences in Great Britain recently....they are all out to torture poor Poles...booo hooo

;)

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 12, 10, 10:55 #14

Bratwurst Boy:

Somehow I can't help thinking that some of you are looking for it. Searching for perceived or even real problems...always whining...complaining....demanding....what are you? The new Jews???

I'm shocked that in civilized country someone can forbit a child to talk with a parent in native language (a parent who was not abusive)

Bratwurst Boy:

You never heard of that???

no.

Bratwurst Boy:

Germans in Poland...not exactly a love story, isn't it....

any example?

........................................
What's your comment on Niklas Hans story how he was respected in Germany because of being a war crimminal son?

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 10:58 #15

zetigrek:

What's your comment on Niklas Hans story how he was respected in Germany because of being a war crimminal son?

I don't think he was respected because he was Hans Franks son...that is not his merit actually..;)

zetigrek:

I'm shocked that in civilized country someone can forbit a child to talk with a parent in native language (a parent who was not abusive)

Why don't you google PF...we had chewed this particular topic over and over again and it get's lame! :(

If a father living for eternity in Germany and even teaching here doesn't want the Guardians to understand what he is saying to his kids (even as all concerned speak German) then there is something stinking rotten and I can't blame the Jugendamt for being careful..

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,957 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Sep 12, 10, 11:00 #16
Germans treat the Poles the way Poles treat the Ukrainians.It happens inevitably when you view yourself as superior.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 11:05 #17

zetigrek:

any example?

That might be the reason you never heard anything about it:

....

Gone was Jan Krol, the Polish identity he was forced to assume in the early 1950s as part of a government attempt to deny the existence of the several hundred thousand Germans who remained on land transferred from Germany to Poland at the end of World War II.

"We lost our culture, our customs, everything," said Kroll, a 68-year-old leader of the German minority in the Upper Silesia region that extends well beyond the small farming community about 160 miles southwest of Warsaw. "They refused to admit we existed."

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-12-30/news/mn-10346_1_german-minority

"They refused to admit we existed."

What do you think about that Zet?

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 12, 10, 11:10 #18

Bratwurst Boy:

If you want to believe they all choose german "hell" before polish "heaven" and they suffer here I can't help it.
Such beliefs have no place in reality so facts won't convince you otherwise...you want to mope about nothing? Be my guest! :)

Adult Germnas are polite. They never show their prejudice straight in face. But their kids are more frank. In my highschool there were studnets exchange programme and I heard some stories...

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 11:10 #19
zetigrek: Adult Germnas are polite. They never show their prejudice straight in face. But their kids are more frank. In my highschool there were studnets exchange programme and I heard some stories... Yawn :( Who need facts when he "heard stories"....

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 12, 10, 11:11 #20
Southern makes a good point above. This superiority thing is typical of mainland Europeans and causes many problems.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Sep 12, 10, 11:13 #21
Seanus: This superiority thing is typical of mainland Europeans and causes many problems. Then whining about some perceived slights is a sure sign of feeling inferior....and it's pathetic to every proud Pole (I know some), so stop it please!

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 12, 10, 11:13 #22

Bratwurst Boy:

What do you think about that Zet?

I know they existed. My grandma was even living in one house with a german guy for few months.

We are talking about modern times. Modern, civilized society which Germans think they are...

Bratwurst Boy:

Who need facts when he "heard stories"....

From my german languege teacher? German society is prejudiced really much against Poles. It set me up against you. Do you wanna change it or make me more believe I have right?

Seanus:

This superiority thing is typical of mainland Europeans and causes many problems.

exactly. I fully agree with that.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 11:15 #23

zetigrek:

I know they existed. My grandma was even living in one house with a german guy for few months.

Well, your country denied them!

They did discriminate against their Germans for decades far, far worse than just some Jugendamt ever did. They managed to drive them away in waves, the number always dwindling - compared to the rising numbers of Poles, going the same direction but voluntarily, chosing Germany for life instead of Poland!

Think about that before you cry out against the "mean" Germans next time...

zetigrek:

German society is prejudiced really much against Poles.

Well...you are not helping to paint a brighter picture, really! :(

Often prejudices are earned! ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 11:29 #24
Seanus: BB, let's to a hypothetical. Your work supervisor tells you that a Pole is coming to join you in your workplace. What are your first thoughts/impressions? I would hug and cuddle him and ask him for his nickname on PF! :)

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Sep 12, 10, 11:40 #25

Why is it, BB, that Scotland gets a much better rap than Poland? Scots, from what I can tell anyway, are perceived to be a higher class of people than Poles in the eyes of Germans. When I say 'Ich bin aus Schottland' to a German, he's off on his 'ja ja, das ist wunderbar' speech. Asides from being stingy/tight-fisted, we are seen in a good light. What is it that separates us from Poles? We have a similar history and I see many similarities in certain types of people.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 11:47 #26

Seanus:

What is it that separates us from Poles?

You know how it is Seanie...the more far away the better the opinion!

Neighbours never like each other very much...to much history...to many similiarities...to much chafing....to much nearness!
Neighbours know each other much better than some other good-weather-relationships from far away.
Germany has no history with Scotland whatsoever...we don't mean much to each other, easy to be nice! :)

Don't take it personally! ;)

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Sep 12, 10, 11:53 #27

Malopolanin:

Interview about our nazi neighbour(in polish):

http://mysl.pl/?module=content&m=11&art_id=1365&more=more

Malopolanin,

I read that Polish article.

I don't think it was nice or fair of you to call Germany a "Nazi neighbor".

Although I understand your concern and I don't like seeing the German authorities in Germany banning Polish parents talking to their kids in Polish or discouraging the learning of Polish, you do have to realize it is THEIR country.

If people CHOOSE to live in Germany OR ANY COUNTRY for that matter, they should try to be the best citizens of that country. In other words they should first and foremost BE GERMANS. That means most of all they should FOCUS on BEING German by absorbing the German culture which is primarily the language. Most Poles in Germany have already done this. Historically no nation/group of people other than Germany/Germans has spoken as much German as the Polish have. In Germany I have always heard that there are at least a few million German citizens who have Polish ancestry. Maybe its partly because they want the best of both worlds, knowing two central European languages.

Like the saying goes, when in Rome do as the Romans. When in Germany do as the Germans.

These kind of problems where people of group A go to nation B and feel they are mistreated happens ALL THE TIME. My solution is if people of group A don't like nation B, then they should LEAVE nation B.

Here in the United States I can't stand people who come into this country and then complain about the United States. Especially those who impose the language of the country they came from on the language of the United States, which is English.

As for Poles in Germany, I'm sure Poles in Germany can always secretly speak their Polish language in private ;)

In my book, one of the things that makes me feel proud of people of Polish ancestry outside of Poland, is when they INTEGRATE into another country and are successful proud citizens of those countries where they have MASTERED the language. You can't be successful in a country unless you master the language of that country. Its part of becoming Worldly.

Successful self-made Polish American Billionaires like Co-founder of Apple Computer Steve Wozniak and Martha Stewart of Martha Stewart Living Enterprises didn't become rags to riches success stories in the US because they didn't put a strong focus on being AMERICAN and catering to American culture and interests.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Sep 12, 10, 11:56 #28

MediaWatch:

In Germany I have always heard that there are at least a few million German citizens who have Polish ancestry.

*nods*

MediaWatch:

My solution is if people of group A don't like nation B, then they should LEAVE nation B.

*nods*

Poles play a big role in Germany, always have and vice versa...for centuries....why not chose that to build from but always looking and searching for the differences and problems???

MediaWatch:

As for Poles in Germany, I'm sure Poles in Germany can always secretly speak their Polish language in private ;)

Ahem...I know at least about two Poles who speak polish to each other on the football field...in front of the cameras!

:):):)

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 770 Joined: Apr 25, 08 ♂	Sep 12, 10, 12:14 #29
Seanus , you dont know the German society the way I do. They referr to the British as ... Inselaffen. Thats what you are in Alemania LOL... At least in Alemania West. But of course after Golf war I and Tommies withdrawal they have less everyday contacts with you and less conflicts than with Polish gastarbeiters.

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Sep 12, 10, 12:24 #30

Well, I did find quite a few to be arrogant on my course. Many Germans that I've met have had this elevated sense of self importance. The nice ones were humble and up for a beer and a chat. They were fair. The other ones were just snobby gits that looked down their noses at me. How could a Scottish man be doing the same level of postgraduate legal education as them, they thought? My wife also has problems with Germans here.

The common element? They tend to pre-judge. They knew nothing of my exploits at undergrad level and I often outscored them. They pre-judged my wife too by assuming she couldn't speak German. Shame that both her parents speak fluent German :) :) Their jaws dropped when she replied in German, LOL.

The logic of it, people are people. Don't underestimate the guile and thinking power of some Scots and Poles :) :) We have people that can really drive our nations forward and will not be subjugated easily.

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