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 Mar 23, 11, 17:00    #1
I've been watching British documentaries and reading articles about Polish and other Eastern European immigration to the U.K and in them you hear or read how non indigenous Brits (non whites) Arabs, Pakis, Indians who live there or were born there seam like they have a lot sometimes more to say that white Brits about the issue. You hear them say no more immigrants, "these people", they should have never been allowed to come here send them back. I dunno maybe you all look at it all different but for me to see someone who's mommy and daddy weren't even European, who come from immigrant families themselves and say that i feel anger.

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 Mar 23, 11, 17:07    #2
PennBoy:
but for me to see someone who's mommy and daddy weren't even European,

You live in America right? you must see that all the time.

It is sometime comical watching coloured 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants complain about other immigrants, fact is they are as English as they come and have a right to their opinion.

Ive always been proud of the UK's multiculturalism policy, not so much over the past few years because of the sheer numbers. One World, One People.
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Edited by: Des Essientes  Mar 23, 11, 17:11    #3
PennBoy:
I dunno maybe you all look at it all different but for me to see someone who's mommy and daddy weren't even European, who come from immigrant families themselves and say that i feel anger.

Of course anti-Polish remarks should be condemned regardless of whether the British people making them are pasty or not, but the mommies and daddies of most British people of color were under British colonial rule back in their native countries and so despite not being European their labor and taxes contributed to Britain.
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:12    #4
The empire was pretty big, mommy and daddy didn't have to be European to be British. They might be a bit upset because they live in the UK, pay taxes there, have a British passport, take part in the electoral process, and are well within their right to express their discontent.
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:15    #5
Wroclaw Boy:
You live in America right? you must see that all the time.

Actually I've never had any colored in this country say to me go back to Poland. I think it's because African-Americans and others don't feel equal even to me, even to an immigrant because i'm white. I've had a few look at me with envy but that's as far as it went. Plus that's Europe u'd think they'd be even more like our coloreds but they seem to be the complete opposite.
alexw68  Mar 23, 11, 17:17    #6
PennBoy:
I dunno maybe you all look at it all different but for me to see someone who's mommy and daddy weren't even European, who come from immigrant families themselves and say that i feel anger.

Why? With all due respect, that's for us to feel or not.

I think there are a number of factors here:

1) Educated immigrants who assimilate well into a new culture feel often more protective of that new culture than the locals (who can take it for granted)
2) ... which can lead to a somewhat fossilised view of that culture in later years.
3) Add up the above and you can get a somewhat intransigent view towards newer-generation immigrants. It's not often clear from the quotes whether they are referring to new immigrants necessarily from other cultures or to economic migrants from their own too (which would not be out of place, especially where the latter are gaming the benefits system).

Whether they are of European descent or not, is irrelevant.
Whether they are immigrant or not (though possibly European), is irrelevant.

And don't use the word Paki again, here or anywhere else. It's beneath you - or should be.
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:19    #7
true all the second class british citizens are the worst of the worst of britain.

they have been here all of their lives and we have to listen their disgusting accent like the jamaicanbrits or the pakibrits......
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Edited by: PennBoy  Mar 23, 11, 17:26    #8
alexw68:
Why? With all due respect, that's for us to feel or not.

Because it concerns my people Poles, who emigrated from Poland as i have.
alexw68:
It's beneath you

don't place me anywhere below, if you don't fully understand where i'm getting at.
Maybe here it's different due to America's racist past, slavery and people officially being placed as second class citizens, their children grow up feeling not equal to whites. I do believe they should feel equal they are human beings. But these non European Brits are just arrogant, full of themselves and look down on Eastern Europeans like they're trash.
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:28    #9
PennBoy:
But these non European Brits are just arrogant, full of themselves and look down on Eastern Europeans like they're trash.

Quite a few Brits feel that way. A whole bunch of them don't. It's not exactly spread amongst racial lines. Why turn it into a racial issue?
alexw68  Mar 23, 11, 17:32    #10
PennBoy:
don't place me anywhere below, if you don't fully understand where i'm getting at.

And don't get back at me if you don't fully understand English idiom. 'It's beneath you' means 'it's undignified to say such a thing (Paki), you are more than capable of better'. Clear now?

PennBoy:
But these non European Brits are just arrogant, full of themselves and look down on Eastern Europeans like they're trash.

Do the speakers you have referred to speak exclusively, or even specifically, about Eastern European immigration? What they are saying is at least as true of the new wave from Pakistan, Somalia and other such places. Vis-a-vis the Somalis: until Poles are taking over the drug trade on entire South London estates and routinely stabbing one another in the streets on Friday evenings, they aren't even getting close to the dysfunctional immigrant experience these people are talking about.

Take that chip off your shoulder, please.
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Edited by: espana  Mar 23, 11, 17:33    #11
PennBoy:
and look down on Eastern Europeans like they're trash.

they should not do that!!! , in the end you pay your tax and the money of your tax go for them to buy drugs ,alcohol and to feed their hundred kids.
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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Mar 23, 11, 17:39    #12
The problem with the pakis is that the Poles mostly populate their areas, the paki areas in my city i would never go there as a youngster, the Poles are there in the 1000's and the pakis have some new bad boys on the block.

Also i think it wasnt so long ago that the pakis were in a similar boat to the Poles, essentially they are racial competitors.
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Mar 23, 11, 17:39    #13
espana:
they have been here all of their lives and we have to listen their disgusting accent like the jamaicanbrits or the

so what we have to listen to your "disgusting" Spanish accents...what's the difference...oh yes i just remembered the difference ...they have British passports.. Get a life or move back to Spain.
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:40    #14
PennBoy:
non indigenous AMERICANS seam like they have a lot sometimes more to say that NATIVE AMERICANS about the issue. You hear them say no more immigrants

Sorry pennboy - fixed that for you
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:41    #15
PennBoy:
look down on Eastern Europeans like they're trash.

Remember not all Poles (or for that matter Eastern Europeans) are the same. They don't all share the same values or interests. There is however a significant demographic of provincial uneducated men in their 20s who are very visible on the streets and in local newspaper crime pages.
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Edited by: PennBoy  Mar 23, 11, 17:46    #16
alexw68:
And don't get back at me if you don't fully understand English idiom. 'It's beneath you' means 'it's undignified to say such a thing (Paki), you are more than capable of better'. Clear now?

I fully understand English idioms, my English is even better than my Polish, I just though you were also, in a sneaky way, trying to imply something.
alexw68:
Do the speakers you have referred to speak exclusively, or even specifically, about Eastern European immigration

They actually specifically spoke of Poles, and only Poles.
alexw68:
What they are saying is at least as true of the new wave from Pakistan, Somalia and other such places. Vis-a-vis the Somalis: until Poles are taking over the drug trade on entire South London estates and routinely stabbing one another in the streets on Friday evenings, they aren't even getting close to the dysfunctional immigrant experience these people are talking about.

I doubt somehow British Pakistanis, Indians are screaming as loudly about this new wave of Pakistanis and Somalians coming there as about Poles. When all is said and done i'm sure they feel like whatever their origins are. And how do Brits feel about this south London drug trade experience, with all it's glamour?
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:49    #17
PennBoy:
Actually I've never had any colored in this country

no sh!t, you live is US?? Where, Mississippi?
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:49    #18
PennBoy:
I doubt somehow British Pakistanis, Indians are screaming as loudly

Nobody is screaming. What you saw was somebody who had been approached by a journalist.
alexw68  Mar 23, 11, 17:56    #19
PennBoy:
I just though you were also, in a sneaky way, trying to imply something.

Now you know better. Apology accepted.

PennBoy:
And how do Brits feel about this south London drug trade experience, with all it's glamour?

Same as the people you've been talking about. And just as vociferous. What the hell do you think, the bourgeois housewives of Streatham and Norbury (S. London districts, for the uninitiated) invite the hoodies in for sandwiches and light conversation?

PennBoy:
I doubt somehow British Pakistanis, Indians are screaming as loudly about this new wave of Pakistanis and Somalians coming there as about Poles. [citation required]

You might want to substantiate that.
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 Mar 23, 11, 17:59    #20
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no sh!t, you live is US?? Where, Mississippi?

PENNSYLVANIA
Wroclaw Boy:
The problem with the pakis is that the Poles mostly populate their areas, the paki areas in my city i would never go there as a youngster, the Poles are there in the 1000's and the pakis have some new bad boys on the block.

Polish neighborhoods in the States disappeared or are disappearing also, the one in Detroit is now a Yemeni neighborhood, Slavic village in Cleveland is black, Port Richmond in Philadelphia is half gone, blacks and latinos moving in, Mexicans alongside Poles in Chicago.
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 Mar 23, 11, 18:00    #21
PennBoy:
Polish neighborhoods in the States disappeared or are disappearing also, the one in Detroit is now a Yemeni neighborhood, Slavic village in Cleveland is black, Port Richmond in Philadelphia is half gone, blacks and latinos moving in, Mexicans alongside Poles in Chicago.

Something wrong with that?
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 Mar 23, 11, 18:06    #22
Wroclaw Boy:
areas in my city i would never go there as a youngster,

Poor transit connections?
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 Mar 23, 11, 18:12    #23
JonnyM:
Something wrong with that?

Jonny please, don't patronize me. If you had a British neighborhood in Warsaw u'd want to keep it. Unless a new ethnic group fully integrates, assimilates itself with the local the new will replace the old, with the old moving somewhere else.
ShawnH:
Poor transit connections?

HAHA
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 Mar 23, 11, 18:14    #24
PennBoy:
If you had a British neighborhood in Warsaw u'd want to keep it

Not especially.
PennBoy:
Unless a new ethnic group fully integrates, assimilates itself with the local the new will replace the old, with the old moving somewhere else.

This sentence doesn't actually mean anything.
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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Mar 23, 11, 19:22    #25
PennBoy:
I doubt somehow British Pakistanis, Indians are screaming as loudly about this new wave of Pakistanis and Somalians coming there as about Poles.

its all about the numbers old chap 1,000,000 + Poles emigrating to the UK in less than three years will have that effect, white Brit or not.

PennBoy:
Polish neighborhoods in the States disappeared or are disappearing also

they are a lot older than the UK ones, one of the benefits of being white in a predominantly white country you can move without fear easier.

PennBoy:
If you had a British neighborhood in Warsaw u'd want to keep it.

I cant think of anything worse TBH.
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 Mar 23, 11, 19:37    #26
PennBoy:
lot sometimes more to say that white Brits about the issue. You hear them say no more immigrants, "these people", they should have never been allowed to come here send them back. I dunno maybe you all look at it all different but for me to see someone who's mommy and daddy weren't even European, who come from immigrant families themselves and say that i feel anger.

you, as a son of immigrants, sholdn't be complaining about attitude of other immigrants...
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 Mar 23, 11, 19:48    #27
PennBoy:
I dunno maybe you all look at it all different but for me to see someone who's mommy and daddy weren't even European, who come from immigrant families themselves and say that i feel anger.

Really?I remember you calling for stopping immigration to the US,so now what, double standards?Don't you know yet that third world immigrants are usually more anti immigrant than native people.I have experienced it here in the US a couple of times.On my PRC interview,I had to talk to an officer from I guess Haiti or some other shithole.I could not understand what this negro was saying and my US born wife also had a huge problems with understanding him.This negro was very mean,trying to talk down to me and at some point when asked to repeat the question told me that I should learn English before coming here.Now, this made me really mad and I requested to talk to a US BORN officer.OMG he was so angry but called another officer,white and US born and everything went smoothly.These third worlders feel very unsecure since they will never be white no matter what they do and have a lot of complexes because of that.They simply want to feel better than sombody be it Poles or Eastern Europeans but they know that (in the UK case)they just fallen from a 2nd category citizens to a 3rd one.
PennBoy:
Actually I've never had any colored in this country say to me go back to Poland. I think it's because African-Americans

I agree,no US BORN African American ever gave me hard time because I am a foraigner,though some of them had a problem with me being white.On the other hand I never voice my opinion regarding immigration issue in the US since I am a expatriate myself and I know many US BORN Americans who say that EVERYONE should be allowed to come to the US.A bit extreme in my view but like I said being an expat I don't feel I have a say about it.Now, as for Poland my stand is strongly anti immigrant and if I only could I would kick them all (except Americans since I live here) out within 48 hours.
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Edited by: pgtx  Mar 23, 11, 19:55    #28
grubas:
they just fallen from a 2nd category citizens to a 3rd one.

and how come your silly story proves that? you got double standards too, husband of an american wife...lol


grubas:
On the other hand I never voice my opinion regarding immigration issue in the US since I am a expatriate myself

lol... so you spread this crap on PF...


grubas:
as for Poland my stand is strongly anti immigrant and if I only could I would kick them all (except Americans since I live here) out within 48 hours.

well, i hope americans won't kick you out...
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Edited by: grubas  Mar 23, 11, 20:07    #29
pgtx:
and how come your silly story proves that?

My story doesn't prove anything but read some UK news regarding immigration and you will know what I am talking about.What I learned is that as much as most Brits are not exactly fond of Poles or Eastern Europeans in the,UK they even less like all the "colored" immigrants.
pgtx:
lol... so you spread this crap on PF...

Spread what??? I said being an expat I don't feel I have a say about immigration issue in the US.Do I need to draw it for you so you can understand or what?
pgtx:
well, i hope americans won't kick you out...

Why would you?Anyway, no worry bout it.
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Edited by: Wroclaw Boy  Mar 23, 11, 20:07    #30
grubas:
as for Poland my stand is strongly anti immigrant

Only because the truth hurts, it hurts you when we point out short comings of Poland.

When are you coming back again?

With regard to the immigrant situation in the US WTF, dont worry about it theyre all immigrants anyway, a nation that truly is immigrant central.


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