Do all Brits take (illegal) drugs?

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Oct 9, 10, 23:38 #91

Seanus:

It seemed like inadvertent rape.

Its a strange one that, is it inadvertent rape if you both are fecked on drugs?

Seanus:

Moderation and balance, the key words here. I'm on the legal stuff tonight, Polish honey krupnik :) :)

It is untill your the poor sod whose body reacts badly, then its just you puking blood and having your bowels explode at the same time, let the doc pronounce you dead after that ;)

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Oct 9, 10, 23:41 #92

Well, consent is always hard to prove when she is so far gone. That's why I said inadvertent as I didn't want to get into the technicalities of rape (Stallard case in Scotland). There is an understanding that it's just part of the night if you are both wasted and let the questions be asked in the morning.

Well, quite. The head spins and bodily dysfunction should be enough to put anyone off for a lifetime.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Oct 9, 10, 23:43 #93
dtaylor5632: Exactly, as a Psych nurse I've seen some fecked up cases... btw. I've seen such video on YT: Do you have sometimes such patients?

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 9, 10, 23:49 #94
zetigrek: Do you have sometimes such patients? After 10 secs of the vid It seemed like a normal Friday night in an A&E unit. Its part and parcel.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Oct 9, 10, 23:53 #95
dtaylor5632: After 10 secs of the vid It seemed like a normal Friday night in an A&E unit. Its part and parcel. man, throw that ******* in jail.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 9, 10, 23:56 #96
convex: man, throw that ******* in jail. Can't, its not "him". Cant really treat or prosecuted someone like that in the state he is in. For all we know he could have had his drink spiked.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 00:00 #97
Very true, Davie. Under containment, he can recover and get back to normality. This is the point of such facilities. People can feel scared and punishing them doesn't help. Yeah, they shouldn't have gone there in the first place but they did. Establishing contact and reassuring them helps. Being aggressive will only exacerbate the problem.

dtaylor5632Threads: 49 Posts: 4,459 Joined: May 2, 09 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 00:07 #98
Seanus: Very true, Davie. I speak some sense sometimes ;)

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Oct 10, 10, 00:14 #99

As you well know, the nursing profession is predicated on trust and best practice. My dad has told me many stories regarding the NHS. There is no sense in being heavy-handed with patients and a lot is based on misunderstanding. When I worked in Cornhill hospital for 3 months, I was in amongst the psych patients. I did database work but went down to the cafeteria, through the corridor with all the wards, to get my lunch. I felt very comfortable as I know how to deal with them.

Oh, drugs. I believe we were born to experience and drugs can teach you many things. I've never taken acid though I'm led to believe that what I did with the hashish block, i.e mixing it in yoghurt for rapid absorption into my system, was tantamount to one and the same. The Australian Pink Floyd sounded very good that night :) :) I don't regret what I did and I knew what I was doing.

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Oct 10, 10, 00:28 #100

Seanus:

I felt very comfortable as I know how to deal with them.

You sure? ;) but yes there is something about having a little confidence in being around such people. They are just like us, with certain things that have gone missing. Bannockburn was a scary place even for me. Its like the last stand for this areas Psych patients. It was scary, but I loved my chats with the patients, and it was one of the reasons I got hooked with this job, such an interesting environment plus very rewarding when things go right :)

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Oct 10, 10, 00:41 #101

Yeah, on a superficial level, yes. I had an empathy then that they'd have picked up on. I hooked up with one of my ex-Britam student's kids today (yesterday now). His son is writing a book on psych patients and it really struck me as insightful that he'd do that at such a young age.

Back to drugs. They provided an extra dimension to life and the key part was to get into it and defend your decision to take them and not feel guilty. Again, I'm talking about Class B's.

f stopThreads: 33 Posts: 2,861 Joined: Dec 9, 09 ♀	Edited by: f stop Oct 10, 10, 04:39 #102
convex: I am my employer, and have enough capital not to have to worry about what other people say about me. The markets don't care who's selling or who's buying :) You mean you don't have a super-secret double life?? ;)

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Edited by: FlaglessPole Oct 10, 10, 05:22 #103
Well, having spent 2 years on Koh Phangan (South East Asia's answer to Ibiza), having business and working there apart from partying my ass off:) I have to say that Brits are definitely the ones with the most extensive 'drug culture'. They start really early, pilling away through the weekends at the age of 13-14, something totally unheard of in Scandinavia.

BzibziohThreads: 6 Posts: 3,657 Joined: Oct 15, 08 ♀ [Suspended]	Oct 10, 10, 05:43 #104
zetigrek: I've seen such video on YT: Young people with a lottery mentality, taking a risk and expecting society to rescue them. Good case against socialist health care: why we should all pay for such idiots getting himself into trouble? If he had to pay for rescuing him out of his own pocket he would at least think about it before.

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Edited by: convex Oct 10, 10, 09:39 #105

Bzibzioh:

Young people with a lottery mentality, taking a risk and expecting society to rescue them. Good case against socialist health care: why we should all pay for such idiots getting himself into trouble? If he had to pay for rescuing him out of his own pocket he would at least think about it before.

Absolutely, that's one of the problems that rescue teams have across the world. Bailing out people who take stupid risks. I think Stossel did a show about it a while back. Anyway, with regards to drugs, 99% of the time it's a question of personal responsibility. People tend to perform very very bad risk analysis which leads to stupid decisions...in the case of drugs, that means doing too much, way too much to the point where they can't handle it. I have no sympathy at all for those people.

f stop:

You mean you don't have a super-secret double life?? ;)

Mild mannered poster by night, superhero by day. It's a bit of role reversal, but hey, it works.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,957 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 15:19 #106
If you saw what drugs do to the systematic users you would never touch them.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 15:33 #107
Well, that's a fair point. Those junkies in Peterhead/Fraserburgh in Scotland are really nasty sorts. I knew a guy who was able to kick the habit but turned heavily to drink. My cousin was forced to live with him a long time ago. Chemical dependency is in their nature and they wrestle with it. The only thing I have in common with them is nationality.

TeffleThreads: 28 Posts: 2,105 Joined: Aug 26, 10 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 20:10 #108
zetigrek: Ok so I know what's your experience, PF users, but what's your attidute now? So what is yours now Zeti?

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 20:17 #109
Teffle: So what is yours now Zeti? patience, give him some time, wait 'til the reefer around him thins out and he can actually see the screen

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Edited by: zetigrek Oct 10, 10, 20:49 #110
Teffle: So what is yours now Zeti? It causes brain damage, weird behaviour. To much risk for health. FlaglessPole: patience, give him some time, her.

FlaglessPoleThreads: 7 Posts: 1,394 Joined: Aug 19, 10 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 20:53 #111
zetigrek: her. oops my sincere apologies, I'm so homo today ;)

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Edited by: AdamKadmon Oct 10, 10, 21:12 #112
Do all Brits take (illegal) drugs? If they do they all should then end up in prison, so as well you could ask: Do all Brits should end up in prison. I hope nobody will challenge my logic.

zetigrekThreads: 59 Posts: 2,709 Joined: May 20, 10 ♂	Oct 10, 10, 21:14 #113
AdamKadmon: If they do they all should then end up in prison. I hope nobody will challenge my logic. Can you imagine 61 mln people in jail? ;)

AdamKadmonThreads: 38 Posts: 1,120 Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂	Edited by: AdamKadmon Oct 10, 10, 21:19 #114
zetigrek: Can you imagine 61 mln people in jail? ;) No. But here is a problem of much more serious magnitude than putting 61 mln people in jail. Here logic itself is at stake!

me123Threads: 1 Posts: 2 Joined: Sep 16, 10 ♀	Oct 10, 10, 21:50 #115
AdamKadmon: Do all Brits take (illegal) drugs? No! I only know a few people that take illegal drugs. Speed, hash, cocaine and ecstacy are the most common. But they only take them to party, they are not addicted. I think its unfair to suggest that all brits take drugs.

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