BBC defend decision to invite the BNP to appear on tonight's "Question Time"

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Oct 24, 09, 13:05 #151

BritishEmpire:

You would be surprised what sort of people are members of the BNP, why don't you spare a minute and see if you can dig up the leaked membership list and it might broaden your narrow mind.

If my mind was as narrow as you say it is I would have been agreeing with you all this time.

BritishEmpire:

The answer to that would be no , they are british citizens but they are not british and never will be atleast in the eyes of the majority.

And you say I have a narrow mind.

BritishEmpire:

Multiculturalism contradicts itself, how can you invite people to your country, call them british then allow them to celebrate a different culture?

Live and let live.

Bratwurst Boy:

...and so on!
It seems that even mainstream british officials distinguish very well and quite openly between native English and immigrant Brits, don't they Mr. H?

I call that racism, and you?

Yes I do. I don't agree with any kind of discrimination and sticking the word "positive" in front of it doesn't stop it from still being discrimination. People should get jobs on merit and nothing else.

tornado2007:

this thread has turned into a total gang fcuk!!!!

I think that was always going to be the case.

time means:

That's the problem it did not embrace it it had it thrust down it's throat.

Most people are happy with a certain level of immigration, but it should be controlled and there should be a cap on numbers.

time means:

No surprise the establishment along with rent a mob and the papers set him up for a kicking and people side with the underdog, call it fairplay or whatever. The left wing lynch mob is just as vicious as the right wing one

I agree with you. Any success that the BNP have is down to the failure of the Labour/Tories/Lib Dems for not offering decent alternatives.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:09 #152
szkotja2007: He has said the best goal ever was the one Gazza scored against Scotland, And some English voted for Maradonas first goal against England in the hand of god game, so what. Can it not be a good goal because it's against the Scots? You are blinkered by tartan glasses and clearly do not like the English that is obvious.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:11 #153
OsiedleRuda: hey prefer to beat people up on religious grounds The Orange Order do most of this, they have asked their members to vote for anyone ( inc the BNP ) except the SNP. Mister H: Labour/Tories/Lib Dems for not offering decent alternatives. My point is that in Scotland the majority of voters have chosen an alternative to the Unionist parties.

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:13 #154
szkotja2007: I wish they would call themselves the English National Party. It would be more descriptive. Why not the English Fascist Party? I don't know what Nick Griffin meant about tour guides in the Lake District losing their jobs because only white people go to the Lake District. I do know the the Griffin (part eagle, part lion) originated in Persia or Central Asia. Bloody immigrants!

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:13 #155
time means: clearly do not like the English that is obvious. Please evidence that racist allegation.

OsiedleRuda

Edited by: OsiedleRuda Oct 24, 09, 13:14 #156

Mister H:

Most people are happy with a certain level of immigration, but it should be controlled and there should be a cap on numbers.

Absolutely. This is sensible and practical, not racist.

Mister H:

Any success that the BNP have is down to the failure of the Labour/Tories/Lib Dems for not offering decent alternatives.

Irrespective of what we think of the BNP, this issue has sparked massive debate across the country, and if politicians continue to bury their head in the sand, they do so at their peril! This issue is one which will NOT go away. If yesterday's poll was representative of the entire population, it could mean that 13.5 million people in the UK would consider voting for the BNP - that's probably more than the entire number of voted at many elections. Leaders of any political party which continues to ignore such figures need their heads examined.

osiol:

I don't know what Nick Griffin meant about tour guides in the Lake District losing their jobs because only white people go to the Lake District

I'm not sure of the exact details, but I think it was some sort of council-run trip to the Lakes, and they weren't willing to fund it any more unless a certain percentage of visible minorities applied for places. No non-whites applied for places, so they withdrew funding.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:20 #157
When is a good goal not a good goal? When it's scored by the English against the Scots. You brought up browns choice and criticized him for that choice for the reason above and nothing more.

OsiedleRuda	Oct 24, 09, 13:21 #158
osiol: Why not the English Fascist Party? Because the real fascists were beating up cops outside the BBC? ;)

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Oct 24, 09, 13:23 #159

szkotja2007:

szkotja2007

I'm 50/50 English/Scottish and at least i can be honest, if England is in such decline i can tell you Scotland does not need any help in coming down also, don't make out like Scotland is some sort of paradise compared to England becuse you are very very wrong there.

I have lived in both England and Scotland and i can say the only real difference in multiculture is the accent of the people :) You get the same racists, same drugs ridden streets, high crime rate and a bunch of politicians who couldn't direct **** into a bucket :) get over yourself and Scotland and stop pretending, its rather obvious that you just don't like England. Its bitter Scots like you that do nothing to help/aid the Scotch/English relationship.

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Oct 24, 09, 13:23 #160

szkotja2007:

time means:
clearly do not like the English that is obvious.

Please evidence that racist allegation.

time means:

You brought up browns choice and criticized him for that choice for the reason above and nothing more.

Exactly, so lay off the racist allegations.

I was demonstrting that Brown was trying to endear himself to English voters, Gazzas goal against the Scots was one example of this.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:27 #161
szkotja2007: so lay off the racist allegations I don't have you down as a racist at all and if that came across then i appologise. A dislike of some things English perhaps but that is all. But it was a good goal come on admit it :-)

osiolThreads: 59 Posts: 4,714 Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 13:30 #162
I think it was in Milan Kundera's "Book of Laughter and Forgetting" that he portrays his dislike of any crowd of people demonstrating with fists raised and all chanting together the same words and slogans. Why should people want to silence Griffin so forcefully? Do they not believe that squirming, lying, shifty little man's presentation to the wider public not be his own undoing?

OsiedleRuda	Oct 24, 09, 13:30 #163
Scots can think what they like of me, but I've never had any problem with Scots (apart from our political leaders, obviously ;) ), even though I know I could never support Rangers, lol.

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Edited by: time means Oct 24, 09, 13:47 #164

osiol:

Why should people want to silence Griffin so forcefully? Do they not believe that squirming, lying, shifty little man's presentation to the wider public not be his own undoing?

Exactly. There should have been a debate about current issues but all we had was an orchestrated witch hunt. The howling mob,handpicked audience and the panel ganging up on one in effect being the big bully. Brits still for the most believe in fairplay and side with an underdog especially in cases like the above, the ruling elite are so out of touch with the common people they cannot grasp this and the tactics they used to defeat him have back fired.

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Oct 24, 09, 13:53 #165

time means:

But it was a good goal

I've seen Gazza score better. Hendry wasn't at his best - I've seen milk turn quicker.

time means:

admit it

Never !

My point is that it is possible to take a pride in your country, culture, values and beliefs without having animosity towards anothers.

England should have a country they should be proud of, nothing wrong with that.

Its just a pity that as long as Scotland remains part of the Union, we get tarred, by the rest of the world, with the same brush.

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Edited by: time means Oct 24, 09, 13:59 #166

szkotja2007:

Never

:-)

szkotja2007:

My point is that it is possible to take a pride in your country, culture, values and beliefs without having animosity towards anothers.

Good point. And i hope the weather is better in bonny Scotland today than down here (drizzle) enjoy your day.

Don't know if you have read it szkotia but "Robert the bruce king of the scots" by Ronald Mcnair Scott is a cracking read.

BarneyThreads: 14 Posts: 1,469 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 14:05 #167
osiol: I don't know what Nick Griffin meant about tour guides in the Lake District losing their jobs because only white people go to the Lake District Fact Check Of course he was talking rubbish.

espanaThreads: 39 Posts: 2,200 Joined: Feb 28, 07 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 14:20 #168
tornado2007: France tornado2007: Jamaica tornado2007: States tornado2007: Canada Comparing yourself to others is unhealthy and a bad english habit .

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Edited by: BritishEmpire Oct 24, 09, 16:00 #169

szkotja2007:

scotland is more politically accepting of immigrants, including Polish people, than the UK government.

The BNP is an English phenomenom inciting hatred of incomers, including Polish people, the BNP are prominent in England and negligible in Scotland.

Well lets be honest here, the levels of migration have always been low into scotland so trying to compare the two contries will always fail. And the BNP have to do little to incite any hatred towards polish people as most do a good job of attracting hatred towards themselves.

Mister H:

And you say I have a narrow mind.

Well i've travelled to quite a few countries, i have seen many cultures so from experience i can say its no different in any other country. If anything i used to have similar opinions like you at one time.

Mister H:

Live and let live.

Well thats fine, if you don't give a toss, couldn't give a toss and don't want to make any attempt to give a toss then good for you. Remember ignorance is bliss only for the person that is ignorant.

Mister H:

I agree with you. Any success that the BNP have is down to the failure of the Labour/Tories/Lib Dems for not offering decent alternatives.

O come on please, i think its quite clear from that statement that you had your mind made up even before you started posting, yes some people will vote because of labours failing policies but not all people thats just ridiculous. Even so any political party will always make gains because of the others failings that how it works, are you suggesting that we always stick to the three main parties?.

Barney:

Of course he was talking rubbish.

I think that doesn't matter really as your link shows that the government is paying out 1.7m so that minorities can go to the lake district which is just as stupid.

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Oct 24, 09, 16:43 #170

BritishEmpire:

Well i've travelled to quite a few countries, i have seen many cultures so from experience i can say its no different in any other country. If anything i used to have similar opinions like you at one time.

You do seem to be making wild guesses as to what those views are.

BritishEmpire:

Well thats fine, if you don't give a toss, couldn't give a toss and don't want to make any attempt to give a toss then good for you. Remember ignorance is bliss only for the person that is ignorant.

Where do you get that from ? I do give a toss ! If I didn't then I wouldn't care what the BNP did, after all it's not me that they're after is it ?

By "live and let live" all I mean is that there is nothing wrong in respecting someone else's religion or culture, as long as it is not at the expense of my own.

BritishEmpire:

O come on please, i think its quite clear from that statement that you had your mind made up even before you started posting, yes some people will vote because of labours failing policies but not all people thats just ridiculous. Even so any political party will always make gains because of the others failings that how it works, are you suggesting that we always stick to the three main parties?.

I watched QT with a fairly open mind, in that I couldn't imagine Griffin converting me into a supporter, but I still wanted to hear what he had to say.

Of course there will always be hard line people that will vote for the BNP regardless of anything. What I mean is that those that are wavering or voted for the BNP for the first time at the Euros, they are the people that the main parties are not listening too, they vote BNP out of desperation as much as anything else.

I don't think that sticking to the main parties will do us any good either (unless they make some radical changes), but I personally don't think that the BNP are the answer.

I vote UKIP now, used to vote Labour, and would rather see UKIP make gains than that BNP.

RevokeLisbon

Oct 24, 09, 19:19 #171

The cat is finally out of the bag.

[i]Huge increases in immigration over the past decade were a deliberate attempt to engineer a more multicultural Britain, a former Government adviser said yesterday.
Andrew Neather, a speechwriter who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, said Labour's relaxation of controls was a plan to 'open up the UK to mass migration'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222613/Labour-let-migrants-en gineer-multicultural-UK.html

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08 ♂	Oct 24, 09, 19:39 #172
RevokeLisbon: The cat is finally out of the bag. What can the current / future Government do now that is realistic and will actually do some good ? I don't see a mass programme of throwing people out as workable.

RevokeLisbon	Oct 24, 09, 19:43 #173
Mister H: What can the current / future Government do now that is realistic and will actually do some good ? Ship back illegals, like France. Pay unemployed foreigners to go home, like socialist Spain. Go to Brussels and demand a work permit scheme to be introduced on the accession states nationals, like Germany. Kick out all failed asylum seekers, like Oz. Thats just to get the ball rolling.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,267 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Wroclaw Boy Oct 24, 09, 20:02 #174
RevokeLisbon Pika boo RevokeNice how you doing fake? Where did you copy the above text from?

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Oct 24, 09, 20:03 #175

RevokeLisbon:

Ship back illegals, like France. Pay unemployed foreigners to go home, like socialist Spain. Go to Brussels and demand a work permit scheme to be introduced on the accession states nationals, like Germany. Kick out all failed asylum seekers, like Oz.

Thats just to get the ball rolling.

I would agree with that.

I want better management of immigration, but I don't want a vendetta against anyone that is vaguely foreign.

KapustaThreads: 5 Posts: 120 Joined: Apr 29, 09 ♀	Oct 25, 09, 02:59 #176
Mister H: I want better management of immigration, I think that many, many Brits want that to be honest and it's not something anyone can argue with. Yes give out the visas but at least know whether the person has remained in the country or not, at least have the ability to know what they're up to. At least have the ability to send them home if they're not contributing.

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Oct 25, 09, 12:39 #177

Kapusta:

I think that many, many Brits want that to be honest and it's not something anyone can argue with. Yes give out the visas but at least know whether the person has remained in the country or not, at least have the ability to know what they're up to. At least have the ability to send them home if they're not contributing.

An admission from the Government that things are in a state would be a start.

It's their 'head in the sand' attitude to it all that gets my back up more than the actual problem.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 25, 09, 22:18 #178
The government has its back against the wall. David Cameron has the persona to drive the Tories forward and he can upset Brown.

Mister HThreads: 11 Posts: 845 Joined: Jan 4, 08 ♂	Oct 27, 09, 00:27 #179
Seanus: The government has its back against the wall. They do indeed. I think that they know their time is almost up and are just going through the motions now. They are just pretenting to give a sh!t now when they clearly don't. Seanus: David Cameron has the persona to drive the Tories forward and he can upset Brown. He's the the Tories Tony Blair and look how that turned out ;-)

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Oct 27, 09, 00:35 #180

Just wait until a general election is near. All the polls conducted will be amassed to ascertain public opinion and they'll roll with that sentiment. Very tedious how that works :(

He is very similar to William Hague (is that his name?). Charismatic but lacking polish and roundedness. I still maintain that John Smith would have been one of the best leaders that Britain had ever seen. RIP! He had some of the Kinnock in him but the pragmatism which is virtually unparalleled to date.

The BNP, while radical, have a position too and I feel it to be folly and hypocritical that a party that has chalked up some voice in Europe should be kicked to the kerb/curb. Fine, criticism where criticism is due but let democracy takes its logical course.

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